Kyrie Irving traded to Celtics for IT, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, 2020 2nd

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Holy shit. Are you like, ok, dude?

The flat-earth stuff - he's trolling you, and everybody else. "Super genuine?" Are you serious? He's fucking with you, man. I don't think he's the one fumbling along from one thing to the next. Might want to take a look in the mirror.

So you don't like the trade, I'm guessing?
Wait. You really think he's trolling people with the flat Earth stuff? I can understand arguments that his scientific beliefs are irrelevant to basketball (as long as it doesn't prevent Newton's laws of motion from continuing to work for him on the court), but he's not playing 4D chess here.
 
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I think Kyrie's been pretty consistent in what he has been saying. He has made multiple references to wanting to grow as a player and the area he wants to grow (being a more well grounded PG who actually initiates the offense) is what many ding him for not doing in the past because he played with the best player in the NBA who wanted the ball in his hands.
 

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Can you show me a post by someone who is making fun of his flat-earth comments by way of denigrating him, his potential value to the team, or the trade?

(on the latter part, I agree completely)
Well, I haven't seen any that were funny. When I see it in a post that's already referencing the trade negatively (or him), I am inferring that it's meant as a knock. And frankly, I don't care enough to go through the last 20 pages and multiquote a bunch of examples.
 

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Holy shit. Are you like, ok, dude?

The flat-earth stuff - he's trolling you, and everybody else. "Super genuine?" Are you serious? He's fucking with you, man. I don't think he's the one fumbling along from one thing to the next. Might want to take a look in the mirror.

So you don't like the trade, I'm guessing?
I actually don't mind the trade from the basketball perspective. It's not what I would have chosen to done, but I'm interested in how it plays out and whether Brad can elevate Hayward and Kyrie.

And yes, I really think Kyrie believed/believes in the flat Earth stuff. Maybe he's backpedaling on it in his head now that he got so much shit for it, but he probably does have some stupid. Shaq was trolling. I don't think Kyrie was. You should go back and listen to the whole original podcast (idiocy starts around 12:30). This is not some single line he dropped as a troll in a simple tweet.

I agree it sounds so insane that he'd HAVE to be trolling. But you have to listen to it and determine whether that's actually what he's doing. If you can listen to that and say "oh yeah, great acting job, excellent troll" then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And last thing, troll or not, being a superstar basketball player and endorsing mistrust in basic science education has consequences. So it's shitty either way.
 
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And last thing, troll or not, being a superstar basketball player and endorsing mistrust in basic science education has consequences. So it's shitty either way.
That article was fascinating and scary on a bunch of levels, thanks for the link.

Sorry for off topic but who funds this Heartland Institute the article refers to? In addition to sending a climate change denial "glossy book and a CD" to every public school science teacher in America, they seem to advocate for smoking, for limiting education, and for finding ways to make it easier to change the constitution..."The root of the problem lies in the Constitution itself".

That last one is pretty radical for just a collection of right wing lobbyists, but they seem well funded so what the hell is the long term game for these people if the United States Constitution is the enemy?
 

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That last one is pretty radical for just a collection of right wing lobbyists, but they seem well funded so what the hell is the long term game for these people if the United States Constitution is the enemy?
They want to get rid of, or at least massively weaken, the federal government. They believe in family values and anarcho-capitalism and get funding from energy companies for their climate change skepticism.
 

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They want to get rid of, or at least massively weaken, the federal government. They believe in family values and anarcho-capitalism and get funding from energy companies for their climate change skepticism.
Energy companies have zero interest in anarcho-capitalism or "weakening the federal government" because strong government makes it far easier to prevent competition. And that's before you get to all the financial benefits of being a personal favorite of the ruling empire.
 

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I read of a grown man ,a so called educated man who believes the earth is flat...The trump bump pulls out of the Paris Accord.The concept of Global Warming has relatively science shallow people able to live comfortably incapable ,unwilling to come to grips with a problem that will end life for us all.

Ricardian classical Economics and all economies that have spread out in forms that twistedly pass for "Competition" in supply and demand concepts applied knowingly and unknowingly by the worlds oligarchs and supportive Governments...an easy example is the control of oil...The price of gas at the pump has only a vague relationship with "competition"
Try wending your way through the weekly food ads (Thursday) versions of comparing Shaws or Roche Bros and more stores ad nauseum...
The U S Government is a consumer. When the G. Buys prices of goods are tremendously effected...I grow tired...possibly an enraged citizenry could cause enough political change to have better environmental action...
I doubt such an event will ever happen...too many "busy" voters still effectively
Believe the. Earth is more or less...flat.
 

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Energy companies have zero interest in anarcho-capitalism or "weakening the federal government" because strong government makes it far easier to prevent competition. And that's before you get to all the financial benefits of being a personal favorite of the ruling empire.
Yup, the leaks of emails from the climate "scientists" in the UK several years back showed them plotting how to snag some tasty big oil grant money while having their allies throw that accusation out there about anyone disagreeing with them.
 

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Yup, the leaks of emails from the climate "scientists" in the UK several years back showed them plotting how to snag some tasty big oil grant money while having their allies throw that accusation out there about anyone disagreeing with them.
Not that this is the place for it, but energy companies are interested in two things. Preventing consumption taxes that would drive down consumption and subsidies. That's it. Large companies don't want competition and government regulation is an effective barrier to market entry. Despite what some conspiracy theorists tell you, regulatory capture is a very real phenomenon. (I mean unless you really believe that American foreign policy hasn't made a bunch of energy, IT, security, and defense billionaires even more billionairy.)
 

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I actually don't mind the trade from the basketball perspective. It's not what I would have chosen to done, but I'm interested in how it plays out and whether Brad can elevate Hayward and Kyrie.

And yes, I really think Kyrie believed/believes in the flat Earth stuff. Maybe he's backpedaling on it in his head now that he got so much shit for it, but he probably does have some stupid. Shaq was trolling. I don't think Kyrie was. You should go back and listen to the whole original podcast (idiocy starts around 12:30). This is not some single line he dropped as a troll in a simple tweet.

I agree it sounds so insane that he'd HAVE to be trolling. But you have to listen to it and determine whether that's actually what he's doing. If you can listen to that and say "oh yeah, great acting job, excellent troll" then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And last thing, troll or not, being a superstar basketball player and endorsing mistrust in basic science education has consequences. So it's shitty either way.
Kyrie is definitely not trolling. He doesn't simply ramble about things that he doesn't have an opinion on.....that simply is not him. He was like that at Duke and he's like that today. When Stephen A was trying hard as he could to get Kyrie's opinion on the Canelo/GGG fight by setting him up for his take......it was Kyrie who politely shied away from commenting by saying that others are more capable of giving an opinion better than his would be and handed it off.

The other thing is that it isn't ONLY basketball players or athletes who are on todays "flat earth" kick......it is prevalent in the entire generation of 20-somethings. We have one living in our home who believe this and don't even try to convince them otherwise. She is also a college honors student so you can't group flat earthers with being "dumb" or not.....it is their belief system.
 

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She is also a college honors student so you can't group flat earthers with being "dumb" or not.....it is their belief system.
"When an ostrich buries its head in the sand as danger approaches, it very likely takes the happiest course. It hides the danger, and then calmly says there is no danger; and, if it feels perfectly sure there is none, why should it raise its head to see?"
 

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"When an ostrich buries its head in the sand as danger approaches, it very likely takes the happiest course. It hides the danger, and then calmly says there is no danger; and, if it feels perfectly sure there is none, why should it raise its head to see?"
Given that ostriches don’t do this, this is pretty meta.
 

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That article was fascinating and scary on a bunch of levels, thanks for the link.

Sorry for off topic but who funds this Heartland Institute the article refers to? In addition to sending a climate change denial "glossy book and a CD" to every public school science teacher in America, they seem to advocate for smoking, for limiting education, and for finding ways to make it easier to change the constitution..."The root of the problem lies in the Constitution itself".

That last one is pretty radical for just a collection of right wing lobbyists, but they seem well funded so what the hell is the long term game for these people if the United States Constitution is the enemy?
David Padden founded the institute, after he served as a director at Cato. Funding comes from all over the place - ExxonMobil, Phillip Morris, Altria, pharma, etc.

And does the fact that a college honors student is a flat earther speak more to his/her intelligence or to the current rigor of college curricula? I transferred from one school to another and was shocked at how easy the coursework was at my second school. Embarrassingly so. I could also see it being straight contrarianism. I have a few friends that take great joy in arguing for things that are demonstrably false. Or they just shift the goalposts when it becomes overwhelmingly obvious they are full of shit.

Here's a link to more flat earther discussion: https://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html. The notion of Antarctica as an ice wall around the entire planet is intriguing, in a Game of Thrones way.
 

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And does the fact that a college honors student is a flat earther speak more to his/her intelligence or to the current rigor of college curricula? I transferred from one school to another and was shocked at how easy the coursework was at my second school. Embarrassingly so. I could also see it being straight contrarianism. I have a few friends that take great joy in arguing for things that are demonstrably false. Or they just shift the goalposts when it becomes overwhelmingly obvious they are full of shit.
We are thinking that this is the case as she is brilliant in both school and in debating her position whatever it may be. Youth rebelling against the established ideals is where we lean as it's noticeable in other arguments as well. The fact that Rozier and Jaylen have publicly expressed that Kyrie could be in the right on the flat earth stuff over the past week makes me realize that these are still kids in their young 20's who are easily influenced even though they play on a massive stage in their profession. At the end of the day they are still figuring out life and how to adult.......shit, I'm still doing this.
 

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Wait. You really think he's trolling people with the flat Earth stuff? I can understand arguments that his scientific beliefs are irrelevant to basketball (as long as it doesn't prevent Newton's laws of motion from continuing to work for him on the court), but he's not playing 4D chess here.
I actually don't mind the trade from the basketball perspective. It's not what I would have chosen to done, but I'm interested in how it plays out and whether Brad can elevate Hayward and Kyrie.

And yes, I really think Kyrie believed/believes in the flat Earth stuff. Maybe he's backpedaling on it in his head now that he got so much shit for it, but he probably does have some stupid. Shaq was trolling. I don't think Kyrie was. You should go back and listen to the whole original podcast (idiocy starts around 12:30). This is not some single line he dropped as a troll in a simple tweet.

I agree it sounds so insane that he'd HAVE to be trolling. But you have to listen to it and determine whether that's actually what he's doing. If you can listen to that and say "oh yeah, great acting job, excellent troll" then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And last thing, troll or not, being a superstar basketball player and endorsing mistrust in basic science education has consequences. So it's shitty either way.
Fair retorts by both of you. Perhaps I was being a bit too protective of our new PG.

I will say this: anyone - and I mean anyone - who truly believes in a flat earth is...I don't even know. I was gonna say stupid, but he's clearly not. Willfully ignorant? Contrarian? You would think that they would teach you about Magellan at a place like oh say, Duke University. Or you know...high school.

"You see Kyrie, there were once these people called explorers, and they sailed around in boats. Then one day, a long time ago, they kept sailing east or west and eventually got to the same place they started from! They didn't even fall off the ledge into outer space!"
 

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. Or you know...high school.

"You see Kyrie, there were once these people called explorers, and they sailed around in boats. Then one day, a long time ago, they kept sailing east or west and eventually got to the same place they started from! They didn't even fall off the ledge into outer space!"
From my experience dealing with demanding millennials the next question you will have to answer is to provide evidence of these sailing trips. Let's not even get into God or religion. I've literally gone to the store to get out of the house when their opinion on anything is ever questioned.
 

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We are thinking that this is the case as she is brilliant in both school and in debating her position whatever it may be. Youth rebelling against the established ideals is where we lean as it's noticeable in other arguments as well. The fact that Rozier and Jaylen have publicly expressed that Kyrie could be in the right on the flat earth stuff over the past week makes me realize that these are still kids in their young 20's who are easily influenced even though they play on a massive stage in their profession. At the end of the day they are still figuring out life and how to adult.......shit, I'm still doing this.
You and me both, forever.
 

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From my experience dealing with demanding millennials the next question you will have to answer is to provide evidence of these sailing trips. Let's not even get into God or religion. I've literally gone to the store to get out of the house when their opinion on anything is ever questioned.
Have you tried agreeing and arguing their same perspective? It might be fun...
 

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Lots of cool little interviews dropping. Kyrie called Tatum "a bad man."
 

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While I'm sure there are some people who really do believe the Earth is flat, I've always taken the flat-Earth thing as mostly a "fuck you to the man" kind of deal. The Earth being round is SUCH an obvious thing it's a way of saying that you're not willing to trust authority on ANY topic because they are racist/bought by big business/socialist/illuminati/whatever.
 

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From my experience dealing with demanding millennials the next question you will have to answer is to provide evidence of these sailing trips. Let's not even get into God or religion. I've literally gone to the store to get out of the house when their opinion on anything is ever questioned.
As a 33 year-old with similar mental tendencies to millennials, I'd say that the most frustrating thing for them is when adults are unable to provide evidence of the sailing trips, and then browbeat them morally for refusing to accept the adults' assertions.

I realize that the inability to provide said evidence is due to fundamental limitations of space and time, and that there are many forms of indirect evidence that are quite compelling in favor of the world's roundness. From the perspective of millennials, however, the moral value assigned to NOT questioning is quite galling, particularly when they don't perceive the people browbeating them to be particularly moral, reliable, or successful. (Not talking about you HRB, I am sure you are all of those things!)

Edit: This is why I don't think it's relevant whether Kyrie is "trolling", or serious, or whatever. He is clearly someone who really really really dislikes people trying to assert moral authority over him. See the "LeBron isn't my father" comments, or anything in that recent ESPN interview. I imagine that on a gut level, asserting something that others find repugnant allows him to feel morally autonomous, and whether he believes the world to be flat or not is much less important than that autonomy.
 

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I thought the Blue Marble kinda settled this debate, but maybe Kyrie isn't the astronomical type.



On second thought, maybe it is all a conspiracy with a kickass graphics department.
 

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From my experience dealing with demanding millennials the next question you will have to answer is to provide evidence of these sailing trips. Let's not even get into God or religion. I've literally gone to the store to get out of the house when their opinion on anything is ever questioned.
Ah millennial bashing from the guy who thought Haywards Brad Connection meant nothing and Crowder would be dumped for a 2nd round pick. We value your opinion, truly we do.

Who cares if Kyrie believes that the earth is flat? What I care about is the odds that Stevens can accentuate his positives while improving his negatives as he enters his athletic prime. The odds are likely that this happens.
 

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The other thing is that it isn't ONLY basketball players or athletes who are on todays "flat earth" kick......it is prevalent in the entire generation of 20-somethings. We have one living in our home who believe this and don't even try to convince them otherwise. She is also a college honors student so you can't group flat earthers with being "dumb" or not.....it is their belief system.
That she's a college honors student who believes this makes it more likely that she's dumb, not less.
 

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Ah millennial bashing from the guy who thought Haywards Brad Connection meant nothing and Crowder would be dumped for a 2nd round pick. We value your opinion, truly we do.

Who cares if Kyrie believes that the earth is flat? What I care about is the odds that Stevens can accentuate his positives while improving his negatives as he enters his athletic prime. The odds are likely that this happens.
I am not a millenial and while you punks need to get off my lawn, I agree bashing you is played out.

That said while I often disagree with HRB, I do value his opinion. He may not always be right but he knows his stuff. Let's not make this forum the cesspool that some the others are now.

Finally I completely echo your take on Kyrie and the flat earth stuff. Who GAF?
 

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Ah millennial bashing from the guy who thought Haywards Brad Connection meant nothing and Crowder would be dumped for a 2nd round pick. We value your opinion, truly we do.
From the guy who laughed at the thought of Crowder being a throw-in to a Hayward deal your retort is after he's a throw-in to an Irving one. Brilliant. Let's just randomly nitpick and shoot personal attacks at everyone here.....that would make this board so wicked awesome. Happy Saturday!
 

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From the guy who laughed at the thought of Crowder being a throw-in to a Hayward deal your retort is after he's a throw-in to an Irving one. Brilliant. Let's just randomly nitpick and shoot personal attacks at everyone here.....that would make this board so wicked awesome. Happy Saturday!

Hayward was a free agent, you're better than this, agree about the sniping though.
 

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Ah millennial bashing from the guy who thought Haywards Brad Connection meant nothing and Crowder would be dumped for a 2nd round pick. We value your opinion, truly we do.

Who cares if Kyrie believes that the earth is flat? What I care about is the odds that Stevens can accentuate his positives while improving his negatives as he enters his athletic prime. The odds are likely that this happens.
This is utterly absurd. You should care if Kyrie thinks the earth is flat. Everyone should care. If he really does believe this, it would be an abomination and while it really doesn't have an effect on his basketball skills, it will have an effect on his fans. Like we need more idiots walking around just making up their own facts?

You can't hear something say something so fundamentally wrong and then say, "Eh, what's the biggie, won't change his jump shot?"
 
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