What's the matter with Rick Porcello?

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Our reigning Cy Young Award Winner is struggling so far in 2017. It appears that his velocity is fine, if not better than last year. Here are some other comps between 2016 and 2017 and Career, in that order:

Stat 2016 2017 Career

K/9 7.6 8.5 6.2

BB/9 1.3 1.8 2.0

H/9 7.8 11.8 9.8

HR/9 0.9 1.5 1.0

WHIP 1.009 1.512 1.318

ERA 3.14 4.67 4.23

ERA+ 142 97 101

FIP 3.40 3.94 3.94

I'm concerned, because average Rick Porcello is not super inspiring, and with EdRo down and his knee possibly an issue that can pop up at any time, Wright and his possibility of being good completely gone, Pomeranz erratic, unable to go deep, and inconsistent, and Price still figuring out how to pitch with an elbow that's not quite right, we need Porcello to be a reliable horse. We don't need Cy Young, but we need a solid #2/#3 who can be a stopper once in awhile.

I can see the stats, but am not as good as many here who can analyze them to effect. So, is this just luck? Is the contact he's getting much harder, resulting in more line drives and home runs? Is the sinker not sinking for a reason? Are more ground balls finding holes? Is he just regressing back to his average self, and this is the guy we can expect from here out (it looks like it)? Maybe last year was the major positive outlier season in his career?

Am I over-fretting?
 

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I don't think you are. He is looking a lot like Rick Porcello of 2015. HRs were the issue in 2015 as well. Last year was clearly a career year. He'll lower the era as the season goes along but he's more an inning eater than anything.
 

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His LOB rate and his HR/FB rate were both career bests (or very near them) last year. So a repeat was unlikely.

His GB% is a career low, which is concerning. He is also allowing a 42.5% hard contact rate (2nd-highest among qualified SP) which seems bad and is likely contributing to that BABIP.
 

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He's been a bit unlucky and the aforementioned regression from last year's mojo.

What does concern me is the pitch sequencing - why is he throwing more 4-seam fastballs again? It's up 6%.

His GB% has dipped yet again to 37.1%, which would be a career low if it stood throughout the season. I'm unsure if Rick Porcello has the arsenal to thrive as a fly-ball pitcher. He simply does not miss enough bats.

I'm unsure why he doesn't go back to throwing his sinker more (like, 40%) like he did with the Tigers. He's a much better pitcher when he goes for weak contact and generating 45-50% GB rates.
 

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His LOB rate and his HR/FB rate were both career bests (or very near them) last year. So a repeat was unlikely.

His GB% is a career low, which is concerning. He is also allowing a 42.5% hard contact rate (2nd-highest among qualified SP) which seems bad and is likely contributing to that BABIP.
His K% is pretty much the same over the last 3 years, and his BB% is not as low as it was last year, but it's still pretty far below his career average. He is giving up a lot more fly balls, and his HR/FB % is right around his career average. So that is not a great formula, especially when combined with the hard hit rate and LD%, which probably make that BABIP somewhat realistic. He's using less of his changeup and more of his curveball, but it's not a huge difference. He's also going to his 4-seamer more and the sinker less, and that is a bigger difference, on the order of 20% of the original rates. It doesn't look like any one pitch is hurting him, they're all down in PitchFX pitch value except for the slider. The velocity on his pitches are all about the same, but the movement on his fastballs and changeups are actually up, but the curveball movement has gone down. Maybe someone better than I am at analyzing the pitch FX stuff could look at things like location, but it seems to be more that he is shifting away from the two-seamer (maybe to get more strikeouts) and giving up more fly ball contact up in the zone. Maybe hitters just know to expect the high 4-seamer now and he's not adapting to it.
 

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He's been a bit unlucky and the aforementioned regression from last year's mojo.

What does concern me is the pitch sequencing - why is he throwing more 4-seam fastballs again? It's up 6%.

His GB% has dipped yet again to 37.1%, which would be a career low if it stood throughout the season. I'm unsure if Rick Porcello has the arsenal to thrive as a fly-ball pitcher. He simply does not miss enough bats.

I'm unsure why he doesn't go back to throwing his sinker more (like, 40%) like he did with the Tigers. He's a much better pitcher when he goes for weak contact and generating 45-50% GB rates.
IIRC this post could have been directly cut and pasted from 2015. How do his pitch distribution and Babip match up to first half 2015 RP?


Just when we thought we were done with the Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde act of Clay Buchholtz along comes the multiple personalities of RP. The difference between first half 2015 and 2017 RP and 2nd half 2015 and 2016 RP, while not as extreme, is equally maddening.
 

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I was listening on the radio yesterday when Bradford came into the booth for the top of the fifth. He said something along the lines of that Porcello's two seamer wasn't "darting". This causes him to use more off-speed stuff and that isn't as effective. He needs to get the two-seamer "darting" again. This seems like an interesting project for iayork if he's willing.
 

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IIRC this post could have been directly cut and pasted from 2015. How do his pitch distribution and Babip match up to first half 2015 RP?
I'm curious about this as well - and at what point can you dismiss BABIP as causation and chalk it up as correlation to bad pitching?

If the Red Sox hired me to take the mound every fifth day, and I went out there giving up a .750 batting average / 2.750 OPS while tossing letter-high 63 MPH fastballs, could I really say "well, I've been unlucky with BABIP"?

Was Eduardo Rodriguez unlucky with BABIP when he was tipping his pitches? It often feels like it's a number thrown out there to explain away bad performance, both for hitters and for pitchers.
 

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Let's compare his pitches in 2016 to those in 2017. First, a plot showing speed on vertical axis vs. horizontal movement on horizontal axis. This is 2016 ...

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... and this is 2017. I don't see much difference at all.

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Next, graphs showing vertical movement vs. horizontal movement. Here's 2016 ...

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... and here's 2017. Again, I don't see much change between last year and this year.
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So, the speed and movement are about the same -- that means the spin rate and directions are about the same. I don't buy the "lack of darting" argument; I would guess that if there is a real difference, it's more likely to be location.

Or, of course, just plain dumb (bad) luck.
 

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According to Speier yesterday, "The Red Sox believe Rick Porcello has lost his release point on his sinker, resulting in the inconsistency of the pitch, Abraham writes within his notebook.

According to BrooksBaseball.net, Porcello’s release point on his two-seamer has been about 1.7 inches lower this year than it was in 2016 – with his arm slot dropping steadily over his last handful of outings.

A similar problem occurred in 2015, when Porcello’s arm slot got higher on his sinker than it had been to that point in his career. Porcello proved unable to fix the glitch until a rehab assignment with Triple A Pawtucket in August that laid the groundwork for a strong finish to that year and a Cy Young campaign in 2016."

From the linked Abraham notebook:
"It’s not a health issue. Porcello’s velocity is actually up a little from last season and with it his strikeout rate. He also has averaged 106 pitches per start.

The Sox believe Porcello has an inconsistent release point that is affecting the location of his sinker.

“It’s clear that consistent location of the sinker is priority No. 1,” Farrell said.

Porcello said after his last start that too many pitches were coming back to the middle of the plate. Opponents have 38 extra-base hits and a .503 slugging percentage against him. It was .396 last season.

Opponents are also swinging earlier in counts.

“He’s a strike-thrower,” Farrell said. “Any time you get those types of pitchers coming at you, you’re not going to sit around and wait.”
 

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Just from watching the games, it looks like he's missing location by quite a bit. The pitches still end up in the strike zone, but the catchers are reaching across the plate much more than they did last season.

There's something about Porcello's stuff that gives him very little room for error. Every mistake like that seems to get hammered, as evidenced by his high BABIP and homer rate.
 

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He's been a bit unlucky and the aforementioned regression from last year's mojo.

What does concern me is the pitch sequencing - why is he throwing more 4-seam fastballs again? It's up 6%.

His GB% has dipped yet again to 37.1%, which would be a career low if it stood throughout the season. I'm unsure if Rick Porcello has the arsenal to thrive as a fly-ball pitcher. He simply does not miss enough bats.

I'm unsure why he doesn't go back to throwing his sinker more (like, 40%) like he did with the Tigers. He's a much better pitcher when he goes for weak contact and generating 45-50% GB rates.
I think in 2015 his sequencing was in part related to trying to "prove" his contract by trying to strike people out. I think he said as much. Now, I think he's lost some confidence in his ability to keep the two seamer from sliding back over the plate, so he is going away from it.

A batter can take 5000 swings in the cage to straighten out a mechanical glitch. Unfortunately, a pitcher can't throw 150 pitches between starts.
 

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Gray Eagle, thanks, I found that interesting. I wonder if he will get a rehab assignment in AAA to fix things, as in 2015. Forgive the stupidity, but do you have to have an "injury" to be sent down to AAA?
 

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Gray Eagle, thanks, I found that interesting. I wonder if he will get a rehab assignment in AAA to fix things, as in 2015. Forgive the stupidity, but do you have to have an "injury" to be sent down to AAA?
Not to be "sent down." You do need options for that or else you expose him to waivers. (Even then, his servidce time might make him un-optionable). But you need an injury to go on the DL to have a "rehab assignment." In 2015 it was "shoulder fatigue," IIRC. Can't just send a guy to AAA to fix non-injury suckdom on a rehab stint.
 

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Scott Lauber‏Verified account @ScottLauber 2m2 minutes ago
Porcello: "I know what it is to fix. I'm just having a really hard time doing it."


This is not that reassuring
On the contrary, it beats the hell out of him insisting everything is fine and nothing is wrong and things will magically sort themselves out. He's shown he can "fix" himself before, with outstanding results. While it sucks in the short term that he hasn't gotten it right, at least we know he's working on getting there.
 

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Scott Lauber‏Verified account @ScottLauber 2m2 minutes ago
Porcello: "I know what it is to fix. I'm just having a really hard time doing it."


This is not that reassuring
That first inning was so frustrating. A double by Springer...eh, it happens. Guy is a good hitter. Then a bunt single and then a total soft-contact bloop that not only falls in for a hit...it falls in for a freaking double. Two SF later, and it's 3-0. Porcello had to be thinking, oh here we go again.

But then he missed location a ton and got hit hard and when he's going like that, he looks like a AAA pitcher at best. This team needs him to get his act together as soon as possible.

His last 8 starts have all been 6+ innings, which is good. But he's not given up fewer than 3 er but once over that stretch.

49.1 ip, 76 h, 37 r, 33 er, 6.02 era, 1.72 whip, 7.3 k/9

Not good at all.
 

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The 76 hits in 49.1 innings is beyond worrisome. I wish they'd stop mentioning that he's not hurt, because he needs a stint where the results don't matter for him to work on righting whatever it is they he, and they, know is wrong.
 

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That is kinda who Rick Porcello is though. Granted he isn't this bad, but he has always been a guy who gives up a lot of hits. People just brushed it away because of Detroit's defense. In those 8 starts, he has also given up 8 HRs and has a HRA rate of 3.6%. His success or lack thereof is closely linked to how many HRs he is giving up. His HR/9 during the 8 game stretch is 1.46. For the year, those numbers are 3.9% and 1.6. Somehow, he's been better during that 8 game stretch but you are seeing the results catching up to the performance.

Really though, his 2015 and 2017 seasons are more in line with his career than 2014 or 2016 are results wise. Granted he looks like a guy who's been unlucky most of his career but at what point is it not luck?
 

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For the season, hitters are slashing .316/.345/.519 off him with a .366 BAbip.
Righties are at .332/.350/.530, .386 BAbip. Lefties .298/.330/.508, .345 BAbip.

The last 8 games? .358/.382/.580 on a .407 BAbip.

That .864 OPS against is higher than the OPS of anyone on the Redsox. Mookie Betts logs in at .861. Despite all this, his ERA+ is still 91. The average league era is 4.33 this year.
 

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He's reverted back to closer to who he is. Last year was an anomaly. He's probably gonna have an Era 4.50 and have 9 losses for every 11 wins. He's not close to as good as he was last year and not as bad as he looks now.
 

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The 76 hits in 49.1 innings is beyond worrisome. I wish they'd stop mentioning that he's not hurt, because he needs a stint where the results don't matter for him to work on righting whatever it is they he, and they, know is wrong.
I don't understand this: if the player isn't hurt, or injured, I'd vastly prefer "they" tell the truth and say he's not hurt. The alternative is either a disinformation campaign or lying. Or, hiring Bill Belichick as the media spokesperson.

And nothing is "wrong" - this is who he is. There is another stretch coming where balls in play will just find gloves instead of grass and long fly balls will die on the warning track instead of carrying into the bleachers. Porcello's stuff has never been good enough to expect better than 9 losses for every 11 wins.

He is among the worst (career) winners of a Cy Young, ever. Or, he's closer to John Denny than almost any other former Cy winner you can think of.
 

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I'd be perfectly fine with a disinformation campaign if it meant he could fix what he is saying is broken without it equalling a loss for the Sox every 5 days. Lie. Away. Pitchers can't just go out and work on their delivery every damn day to fix a glitch the way a hitter can.

At some point the BAbip is not just luck, it's that the opposing hitters are hitting the crap out of the ball because it is more hittable. Bosox79 pointed out the last 8 games - 358/.382/.580 on a .407 BAbip. I get that he's not a guy who is going to be a Cy Young winner every season. But I did not expect that reverting back to who he is meant he would just stink. And that line just stinks. I don't recall anyone here thinking that reverting back to his "norm" meant he'd be as bad as he's been this year. A 3.90-4.15 ERA and a 1.3 or 1.3 WHIP? Sure. But a 5.05ERA and a 1.53WHIP? He's getting his butt kicked right now, and he has admitted there is something that is causing it, but he isn't able to fix it.

Also, Porcello's stuff HAS BEEN good enough to expect better than 9 losses for every 11 wins, just LAST YEAR. He won the Cy Young because he was freaking good last year, for a whole season, not some tiny sample size. I did not expect another Cy Young award; I did expect a reliable innings eater who would give his team a chance to win most nights. What we have is a reliable innings eater who is making it nearly impossible for his team to win most nights. I hope whatever glitch is happening, he can figure out how to fix it, and soon.
 

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I'd be perfectly fine with a disinformation campaign if it meant he could fix what he is saying is broken without it equalling a loss for the Sox every 5 days. Lie. Away. Pitchers can't just go out and work on their delivery every damn day to fix a glitch the way a hitter can.
How does lying about whether he has an injury help? Would he not need to answer numerous questions about how he feels, how things are progressing, etc. from the media? So, in addition to "fixing what is broken" he also needs to lie, repeatedly, on camera? How does this make any sense?

If you want him to simply pitch and not interact in any way with fans or the media, I can see how that might help. It also has no basis in reality, but at least it makes some sense.

Sure, he needs to focus on fixing what is broken. Actively participating in a team-orchestrated disinformation campaign in which Fredrick needs to convincingly lie to the media every few days... is needlessly complicating the problem, or substituting one problem for another.

At some point the BAbip is not just luck,
Which point is that?

it's that the opposing hitters are hitting the crap out of the ball because it is more hittable. Bosox79 pointed out the last 8 games - 358/.382/.580 on a .407 BAbip. I get that he's not a guy who is going to be a Cy Young winner every season. But I did not expect that reverting back to who he is meant he would just stink. And that line just stinks. I don't recall anyone here thinking that reverting back to his "norm" meant he'd be as bad as he's been this year. A 3.90-4.15 ERA and a 1.3 or 1.3 WHIP? Sure. But a 5.05ERA and a 1.53WHIP? He's getting his butt kicked right now, and he has admitted there is something that is causing it, but he isn't able to fix it.
Porcello's 2016 was so out of line with his previous "good" that a "bad" stretch that equalizes back his normal, average was inevitable. He stunk this bad in 2015! For you not to expect him to stink that badly again suggests you might be a fan.

Also, Porcello's stuff HAS BEEN good enough to expect better than 9 losses for every 11 wins, just LAST YEAR. He won the Cy Young because he was freaking good last year, for a whole season, not some tiny sample size. I did not expect another Cy Young award; I did expect a reliable innings eater who would give his team a chance to win most nights. What we have is a reliable innings eater who is making it nearly impossible for his team to win most nights. I hope whatever glitch is happening, he can figure out how to fix it, and soon.
You are giving far too much weight to LAST YEAR and not nearly enough to his ENTIRE MAJOR LEAGUE CAREER.

We all want Porcello to be better. Since he is healthy, the only way for him to fix things is by tweaking his mechanics (and we've heard little to nothing on this) or his pitch selection (I think it's that he's lost confidence in the sinker, for whatever reason). Last year, hard hit balls found gloves; this season, hard hit balls are finding the grass - that won't continue forever. There's no choice but to keep pitching and hope they hit it at someone.
 

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BUMP.

Not sure if too soon in the evening to bump this thread, but I am hoping for a reverse jinx here. Porcello has not been able to hold any of the leads the offense has -- for the first time since 6/23 -- provided.

He actually was pretty good in July, pitching to a 3.06 ERA and 0.962 WHIP. Just supremely snakebitten by the offense as he went 0-3 in his 4 starts as the offense gave him 7 runs of total support all month. Keeping runners off the base paths (relatively speaking) offset the 8 HR he allowed.

Tonight he has not been as lucky, giving up a 3 run HR already among his 5 ER. Already at 5H and 2 BB through 4 innings -- with the 1-2-3 4th inning helping greatly.

Is he just suffering with Vaz behind the plate, or dealing with mechanics or an injury?
 

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This is just who he is. 2016 was the exception. He's frustrating to watch.
I agree with you in a vacuum but the most frustrating thing to watch this year for Porcello is the amount of HR's he is giving up. It's his highest HR/9 in his career so you would hope that would normalize for the rest of this year going into next year
 

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I am not versed in pitchfx whatsoever, but I remember two years ago RP changed his pitch mix to get more strikeouts and that resulted in a spike in HR/9.

Then last year he changed it "back" so to speak and relied more on his sinker and more GB outs. I wonder if he is again being lured by the sexiness of the strikeout and his HR/9 And overall results are suffering because of it

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I am not versed in pitchfx whatsoever, but I remember two years ago RP changed his pitch mix to get more strikeouts and that resulted in a spike in HR/9.

Then last year he changed it "back" so to speak and relied more on his sinker and more GB outs. I wonder if he is again being lured by the sexiness of the strikeout and his HR/9 And overall results are suffering because of it
Two years ago, his K/9 was 7.8. Last year it was 7.6.
 

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Two years ago, his K/9 was 7.8. Last year it was 7.6.
Just did a little crash course on fangraphs and there were a couple of things that stood out, but who knows if they are meaningful.

it looks like he's featuring a much heavier mix of curve balls and mainly sliders this year than last

2016 SL% 4.7 CU% 13.8
2017 SL% 16.5 CU% 14.8

At the same time it shows a decrease in sinkers and cutters (although it shows no cutters at all this year so I'm not sure how reliable that data is)

2016 FC% 7.8. SI% 40.8
2017 FC% 0.0. SI% 30.6


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Just did a little crash course on fangraphs and there were a couple of things that stood out, but who knows if they are meaningful.

it looks like he's featuring a much heavier mix of curve balls and mainly sliders this year than last

2016 SL% 4.7 CU% 13.8
2017 SL% 16.5 CU% 14.8

At the same time it shows a decrease in sinkers and cutters (although it shows no cutters at all this year so I'm not sure how reliable that data is)

2016 FC% 7.8. SI% 40.8
2017 FC% 0.0. SI% 30.6

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I suspect that somebody or some algorithm at Fangraphs made a classification change between seasons, and that all of those 2016 cutters have become 2017 sliders. They are the same pitch, however.

BrooksBaseball counts only 29 cutters over two years, and the velocity and movement are really the same.

Reduced use of the sinker is more puzzling, however. His command in 2017 doesn't seem to be quite as pinpoint on the edges as in 2016.
 

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Since July 1st Porcello has a 3.68 ERA and while he will likely never replicate his 2016, he seems to have righted the ship and settled back into what he is--a really strong #3 starter.
 

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Since July 1st Porcello has a 3.68 ERA and while he will likely never replicate his 2016, he seems to have righted the ship and settled back into what he is--a really strong #3 starter.
Which in this market.... is about what his pay equates to. His ability to throw lots of in it probably increase his value more than a "no.3" though
 

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Which in this market.... is about what his pay equates to. His ability to throw lots of in it probably increase his value more than a "no.3" though
That is pretty debatable imo. The market has tightened up as whole since then, and we really didn't have any great comps last winter to evaluate what type of impact that might have on a Porcello.

Although beyond the WAR math contract calculations I find to be fairly flawed at times, evaluating whether or not Porcello was worth that extension will always be somewhat complicated due to that 2016 season. As even in hindsight if you were to guarantee a Cy Young award on the front end there followed by 3 other years where he was stayed healthy but were going to be nothing to write home about, I'm guessing most big market teams ultimately wouldn't have a big problem with that.
 

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That is pretty debatable imo. The market has tightened up as whole since then, and we really didn't have any great comps last winter to evaluate what type of impact that might have on a Porcello.

Although beyond the WAR math contract calculations I find to be fairly flawed at times, evaluating whether or not Porcello was worth that extension will always be somewhat complicated due to that 2016 season. As even in hindsight if you were to guarantee a Cy Young award on the front end there followed by 3 other years where he was stayed healthy but were going to be nothing to write home about, I'm guessing most big market teams ultimately wouldn't have a big problem with that.
Yeah, his floor is "league-average innings eater" with some potential beyond that, albeit probably somewhere between last year and league average. But the stability of a guy who usually keeps them in games and hardly ever misses starts is not to be underestimated.
 

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Yeah, his floor is "league-average innings eater" with some potential beyond that, albeit probably somewhere between last year and league average. But the stability of a guy who usually keeps them in games and hardly ever misses starts is not to be underestimated.
Not sure if I would call that his floor, vs. who he is. His career ERA+ is 101. By definition his career he has been a league average innings eater. Sometimes better, but sometimes worse.
 

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Data from Porcello's game log the past two seasons...

2016
33 starts
< 6 innings: 3 times (9.1%)
6-6.2 innings: 14 times (42.4%)
7+ innings: 16 times (48.5%)

5+ earned runs allowed: 1 time (3.0%)
3-4 earned runs allowed: 16 times (48.5%)
< 3 earned runs allowed: 16 times (48.5%)

2017
25 starts
< 6 innings: 2 times (8.0%)
6-6.2 innings: 17 times (68.0%)
7+ innings: 6 times (24.0%)

5+ earned runs allowed: 5 times (20.0%)
3-4 earned runs allowed: 12 times (48.0%)
< 3 earned runs allowed: 8 times (32.0%)

TOTAL 2016-17
58 starts
< 6 innings: 5 times (8.6%)
6-6.2 innings: 31 times (53.4%)
7+ innings: 22 times (37.9%)

5+ earned runs allowed: 6 times (10.3%)
3-4 earned runs allowed: 28 times (48.3%)
< 3 earned runs allowed: 24 times (41.4%)

That's pretty remarkable consistency. You know that odds are pretty good that Porcello is going to give you about 6 or a little more than 6 innings, and give up 3-4 runs. These lines are pretty much what you're gonna get from him:

7.0 ip, 3 er
6.0 ip, 3 er
6.1 ip, 2 er
7.0 ip, 4 er

That sort of thing. It's pretty much like clockwork that that's what he's going to give you, which is really valuable and helpful.
 

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As a side note, it's starting to feel like that's what we can expect from ERod as well, except with the occasional knee injury thrown in
 

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As a side note, it's starting to feel like that's what we can expect from ERod as well, except with the occasional knee injury thrown in
If Sale is Sale, and Price is what Price is supposed to be, then the last three guys can be what Porcello is and it would be a tremendous rotation. Pomeranz has essentially been Price this year (albeit with fewer innings than Price normally throws), so it's worked out despite Price's injury.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
As a side note, it's starting to feel like that's what we can expect from ERod as well, except with the occasional knee injury thrown in
Except that Rodriguez still has time to get better. It seems like he's been around forever by now, so it's easy to forget that he was still a few days shy of his 24th birthday on Opening Day, and only has a little over 300 total ML innings, which is not a lot. His career line is not that far behind where Jon Lester's was at the same age and experience level. I'm not saying he's going to be as good as Lester, I'm just saying it's a little too soon to say that he isn't.
 

Philip Jeff Frye

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Seemed like he was on the verge of finally putting it all together a few starts ago, but after tonight's stinker, yikes... 35 homer runs allowed says Dave O'Brien.