The 2017-18 Brooklyn Nets: Who Cares?

smastroyin · May 17, 2017

For those not keeping score at home, the Lakers have no incentive to tank because the first round pick they convey to the Sixers next year is unprotected.

The only way for this month to get better for the Celtics is the Nets to announce they are trading Lopez to the Knicks for the #8 (I'm not saying this is in any way a realistic thing that will happen)

cheech13 · May 17, 2017

This seems like the summer to trade Brook Lopez, but I don't see an obvious match at the top of the draft. Maybe Charlotte at #11?

ifmanis5 · May 17, 2017

Keep killin' it, JZ.

BigSoxFan · May 17, 2017

smastroyin said:
For those not keeping score at home, the Lakers have no incentive to tank because the first round pick they convey to the Sixers next year is unprotected.

The only way for this month to get better for the Celtics is the Nets to announce they are trading Lopez to the Knicks for the #8 (I'm not saying this is in any way a realistic thing that will happen)

Well, the Knicks did once trade the #9 pick for Antonio McDyess so...

HomeRunBaker · May 18, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
PG: Lin/Whitehead/Dinwiddie
SG: Levert/Kilpatrick(TO)/Goodwin
SF: Harris/Nicholson/McDaniels(TO)
PF: Hollis-Jefferson/Booker
C: Lopez/Acy/Hamilton

In June, they have picks #22, #27, and #57. Will be keeping a close eye on those first two, as adding and developing two rookies in the rotation would be huge for us. Of course, the big question for them is if they are able to find a dance partner to take Lopez off their hands before he leaves for nothing (or stays forever, ha).

Sadly (for us) the Nets have plenty of money to spend to upgrade their rotation. Last summer they helped make Tyler Johnson and Allan Crabbe very rich men in the RFA and I expect them to do the same at 12:01am for Caldwell-Pope on a max deal. If I had to guess I'd say they make an outrageous offer to an UFA like Ibaka or Gibson for frontcourt help too.

Unlike last year I think they will be able to lure a few real players to Brooklyn by overpaying. The key that starts this car is Lin.....if he's healthy and they can add two quality starters to the mix they have a chance to get out of the bottom three.

I can't wait until the Grizzlies thread next summer!

Eddie Jurak · May 18, 2017

smastroyin said:
For those not keeping score at home, the Lakers have no incentive to tank because the first round pick they convey to the Sixers next year is unprotected.

The only way for this month to get better for the Celtics is the Nets to announce they are trading Lopez to the Knicks for the #8 (I'm not saying this is in any way a realistic thing that will happen)

Also less incentive for the Sixers to tank? They've got a team now and one more top pick coming.

Devizier · May 18, 2017

I am going to laugh so hard when Ibaka gets a max deal from Brooklyn.

HomeRunBaker · May 18, 2017

Devizier said:
I am going to laugh so hard when Ibaka gets a max deal from Brooklyn.

When you offer Allan Crabbe 4/$78m (and actually have it matched LOL) there are no boundaries to your foolishness.

sox311 · May 18, 2017

So which FAs fit Atkinson and Mark's plan?

Only three teams in the NBA had more three point attempts on the season. (Rockets, Cavs, Celtics)

They want to make it rain. But for some reason Bogdonavic could not excel there. Atkinson came from Atlanta via New York. Marks come from the Spurs.

They are going to be in on everyone on these lines. Someone is going to take their money. And it may not have to be a RFA this year with people like Reddick and Ibaka.

Ibaka, Milsap, Hayward, Reddick, KCP, Porter, Holiday, George Hill,Waiters,Gallinari
JaMycle Green, Olynyk, Roberson, J.Simmons, P.Mills

lovegtm · May 23, 2017

Eddie Jurak said:
Also less incentive for the Sixers to tank? They've got a team now and one more top pick coming.

If Embiid is healthy and playing regularly, it will be extremely difficult for them to lose more games than the Nets.

lovegtm · May 23, 2017

sox311 said:
So which FAs fit Atkinson and Mark's plan?

Only three teams in the NBA had more three point attempts on the season. (Rockets, Cavs, Celtics)

They want to make it rain. But for some reason Bogdonavic could not excel there. Atkinson came from Atlanta via New York. Marks come from the Spurs.

They are going to be in on everyone on these lines. Someone is going to take their money. And it may not have to be a RFA this year with people like Reddick and Ibaka.

Ibaka, Milsap, Hayward, Reddick, KCP, Porter, Holiday, George Hill,Waiters,Gallinari
JaMycle Green, Olynyk, Roberson, J.Simmons, P.Mills

Olynyk and Reddick are 2 guys who could get seriously paid by the Nets at numbers other teams wouldn't match, and would also (unfortunately) be significant upgrades for Brooklyn.

There are a couple other guys like that on the list, as you mentioned, and I think it's a good reason that the 2018 pick might be the one to sell high on, if possible.

Red Averages · May 23, 2017

Let's just remember that the bottom 6 teams were: BKN, PHO (+4), LAL (+6), PHI (+8), ORL (+9), MIN/NY (+11)

Even if Brooklyn improves they need to make up significant ground on teams that should be better in '18. It seems unlikely Min or Philly will be bottom 6 teams again. LAL has no more reason to tank and should fare better. That leaves PHO, ORL and NY as our real 'contenders' in my eyes. We'll need to see how they do this off season. Also, SAC/DAL need to not get worse by 12&13 games respectively.

sezwho · May 24, 2017

Red Averages said:
Let's just remember that the bottom 6 teams were: BKN, PHO (+4), LAL (+6), PHI (+8), ORL (+9), MIN/NY (+11)

Even if Brooklyn improves they need to make up significant ground on teams that should be better in '18. It seems unlikely Min or Philly will be bottom 6 teams again. LAL has no more reason to tank and should fare better. That leaves PHO, ORL and NY as our real 'contenders' in my eyes. We'll need to see how they do this off season. Also, SAC/DAL need to not get worse by 12&13 games respectively.

Thanks for spelling this out.

It can be a little random who actually ends up aiming their team for the basement of course, but Brooklyn and LA have every reason to aim for the stars. Phoenix was a dumpster fire down the stretch last season, but should rise from the ashes even before likely adding one of the SFs in the Draft. NY is hard to predict, as Anthony really should be traded for futures to really allow them to sink to the bottom (even with Zinger) but they are a roulette wheel of decision making so who knows. Orlando seems destined for groundhog day again and I agree Philly and Min should only find themselves at the bottom if they are bitten hard by injuries. Philly is clearly more likely to have this happen.

I get this has minimal predictive value prior to the draft and FA, but I wonder who folks forecast to the bottom 3 picks (or 5 or whatever) at this point and why. This seems like a good place for the conversation, but maybe a Bottoms Up thread instead?

nighthob · May 24, 2017

Magic has already said that the Lakers are readying themselves for the 2018 free agency push, so they're under a lot of pressure to make a real stride forward next season to convince the Clipper fan to sign on the dotted line. Not sure how Boston can/should exploit that, but it's clearly an opening.

smastroyin · May 24, 2017

Until the Nets deal Lopez, I'm handicapping them to be a 25-30 win team. Almost anyone they sign is going to be an improvement over what they were last year.

The Suns and Magic look to be on a 20-25 win course. The Suns may even supertank and deal Bledsoe (they probably should). The Magic, I guess we could hope they go ahead and try to compete again like this year, but I doubt they repeat the mistakes.

Sacto has a huge variance based on how true their interest in Hinkie was. If they do sign him, I wouldn't doubt that they will have no useful rotation players by the end of the season older than Buddy Hield (and even he may not be safe). They could easily be in for a 15-20 season if they start their own "process." If they keep Vlade, though, then probably they'll be about the same.

Sixers are all injury luck. They probably have a 15 game swing based on who can play and when.

Knicks are probably not a tank contender even though they probably should be. I hope they want to compete because I don't want Melo as the backup plan to Hayward, and for draft pick reasons.

Wolves should be better, I agree.

Dallas might also sell off if they decide they can't compete.

I think it's far too early to really tell, but barring more info, I put the Suns as the tentative favorite for worst record.

nighthob · May 24, 2017

Sacramento has already given the Sixers the right to switch #1s next year and the 2019 #1 outright. There's no incentive for them to tank.

sox311 · May 24, 2017

nighthob said:
Sacramento has already given the Sixers the right to switch #1s next year and the 2019 #1 outright. There's no incentive for them to tank.

I feel very sorry for Kings fans each time someone mentions this. As well as the pick swap that in the 2017 draft. Dropping from 3 to 5 won't hurt as much this year, but still.

NoXInNixon · May 24, 2017

sox311 said:
I feel very sorry for Kings fans each time someone mentions this. As well as the pick swap that in the 2017 draft. Dropping from 3 to 5 won't hurt as much this year, but still.

It's terrible that GMs have figured out a way around the rule that you can't trade away consecutive first round picks bu trading pick swaps. It's the same damn thing.

BigSoxFan · May 25, 2017

NoXInNixon said:
It's terrible that GMs have figured out a way around the rule that you can't trade away consecutive first round picks bu trading pick swaps. It's the same damn thing.

As a Celtics fan, I think it's awesome since our GM would never make such a deal. The 2017 swap was probably a last minute throw-in to the Nets deal and it ends up being a #1 pick. Literally couldn't have scripted this deal any better.

smastroyin · May 25, 2017

nighthob said:
Sacramento has already given the Sixers the right to switch #1s next year and the 2019 #1 outright. There's no incentive for them to tank.

I didn't think there is a 2018 swap. Maybe the swap conveyed this year?

BigSoxFan · May 26, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
Oh I LOVE Ayton but Doncic is unreal and lethal in the pick-n-roll.....they are 1/2 with a gap to Porter for me.

Side note: I give us a 15% chance at Hayward anyway (my opinion if I had to guess) and the way Ainge spoke this week without once mentioning Fultz by name there is a VERY good chance that neither are Celtics this summer.

Curious why you think Ainge not mentioning Fultz means much at this stage. What are you suggesting would be the use of the #1 pick? Doubt it would be Ball. Very little chance of Jackson. Trade?

I think Doncic has Manu's creativity with better size and athleticism. If he reaches his potential, I think he's a potential HoFer. But, man, I have been craving for the Celtics to get a big like Ayton. Here's to hoping that they get a shot at one of them.

HomeRunBaker · May 26, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
Curious why you think Ainge not mentioning Fultz means much at this stage. What are you suggesting would be the use of the #1 pick? Doubt it would be Ball. Very little chance of Jackson. Trade?

I think Doncic has Manu's creativity with better size and athleticism. If he reaches his potential, I think he's a potential HoFer. But, man, I have been craving for the Celtics to get a big like Ayton. Here's to hoping that they get a shot at one of them.

We won the rights to draft Fultz a week ago and so far in two interviews we've heard Ainge talk about how we have a lot of good players but we need great players. Had Fultz been Ainge's answer it would have been natural to say what all GM's say within a week of winning the lottery when you are talking about acquiring great players.....you talk about the one you just won the rights to draft. Nope, no mention. I'm certain Ainge will be in shopping mode right up until the draft to turn this #1 pick into something much more than a teenage guard.

Who would Ainge target? We know he isn't afraid to shoot for the fences so I'll say that at some point it is leaked that Ainge is talking to the Pelicans about Anthony Davis. I'm not saying we'll get a deal done but he will use this pick and other assets to shoot for the fences.....I'm convinced of this.

BigSoxFan · May 26, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
We won the rights to draft Fultz a week ago and so far in two interviews we've heard Ainge talk about how we have a lot of good players but we need great players. Had Fultz been Ainge's answer it would have been natural to say what all GM's say within a week of winning the lottery when you are talking about acquiring great players.....you talk about the one you just won the rights to draft. Nope, no mention. I'm certain Ainge will be in shopping mode right up until the draft to turn this #1 pick into something much more than a teenage guard.

Who would Ainge target? We know he isn't afraid to shoot for the fences so I'll say that at some point it is leaked that Ainge is talking to the Pelicans about Anthony Davis. I'm not saying we'll get a deal done but he will use this pick and other assets to shoot for the fences.....I'm convinced of this.

I'm sure that he'll go after the white whale but I'm incredibly skeptical that he'll land one. To me, the 2 obvious "pie in the sky" targets are Davis and Porzingis. Both are on such bargain contracts and aren't even in their primes that I have no idea how Ainge could even come close to approaching their value. If you offer both Brooklyn picks, you'll probably get them to not hang up but it would still take more and at that point, you're going all in with a team that could be very good but may still not have enough and which doesn't have much flexibility left to improve.

At the end of the day, I think Ainge tries like hell to make a big splash but fails and "settles" for Plan B, which would be Fultz and a guy like Hayward or Griffin. If he can't land one of the top FAs this summer, then he has no choice but to maintain the status quo.

DJnVa · May 27, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
We won the rights to draft Fultz a week ago and so far in two interviews we've heard Ainge talk about how we have a lot of good players but we need great players. Had Fultz been Ainge's answer it would have been natural to say what all GM's say within a week of winning the lottery when you are talking about acquiring great players.....you talk about the one you just won the rights to draft. Nope, no mention.

I guess, but I'm not sure I recall GM and teams that won the lottery talking about players all that much (except probably Cleveland).

Maybe I always kinda tune it out at that point and with the Celtics at #1 I'm paying more attention, but do teams (in any sport) really talk a lot about the guy they're drafting in #1? Do they do it enough so it not happening is some red flag?

nighthob · May 27, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
We won the rights to draft Fultz a week ago and so far in two interviews we've heard Ainge talk about how we have a lot of good players but we need great players. Had Fultz been Ainge's answer it would have been natural to say what all GM's say within a week of winning the lottery when you are talking about acquiring great players...

Given Ainge's comments about not jumping the gun just to make an improvement in the current roster you're reading way too much into this.

Who would Ainge target? We know he isn't afraid to shoot for the fences so I'll say that at some point it is leaked that Ainge is talking to the Pelicans about Anthony Davis. I'm not saying we'll get a deal done but he will use this pick and other assets to shoot for the fences.....I'm convinced of this.

I'm certain he is, but the Pelicans have years to put a surrounding cast around the Unibrower, so I put Boston's chances of acquiring him this decade around 0%.

Porzingas is a slightly more realistic target given Phil Jackson's preference for wings, and Fultz's ability to function in his preferred offense. And, technically speaking, Porzingas does have the option of playing out his fifth year QO and leaving as an unrestricted free agent. However the mechanics of the current CBA make that very unlikely as if he's really as good as you think, he'll be leaving a buttload of cash on the table to get out of New York.

All told adding Hayward and Fultz is a more likely result than either above scenario.

snowmanny · May 27, 2017

The night of the draft lottery he mentioned Fultz, Bell, Jackson and Tatum (pretty sure in that order; "I've seen all of them five or six times").

nighthob · May 27, 2017

One Porzingas deal that might be interesting, Boston sending Bradley & Fultz to New York for Porzingas and the right to swap firsts with the Knicks in 2018 (their first, not Brooklyn's). In that instance the Knicks get a third guard, and a young vet at that, to help Fultz as he breaks into the NBA, and the Knicks get to keep their #1 this year to draft either Markkanen or Isaac as a 'Zingas replacement and to give them a young talent bast to build around.

Boston gets the PF they need to dump Olynyk (whether via sign & trade into someone's cap space for a future first or by a straight rescinding of the QO), while adding a 2018 pick to use either in trade or to just add talent (the latter being more likely for luxury tax reasons).

wade boggs chicken dinner · May 27, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
We won the rights to draft Fultz a week ago and so far in two interviews we've heard Ainge talk about how we have a lot of good players but we need great players. Had Fultz been Ainge's answer it would have been natural to say what all GM's say within a week of winning the lottery when you are talking about acquiring great players.....you talk about the one you just won the rights to draft. Nope, no mention. I'm certain Ainge will be in shopping mode right up until the draft to turn this #1 pick into something much more than a teenage guard.

Who would Ainge target? We know he isn't afraid to shoot for the fences so I'll say that at some point it is leaked that Ainge is talking to the Pelicans about Anthony Davis. I'm not saying we'll get a deal done but he will use this pick and other assets to shoot for the fences.....I'm convinced of this.

Ainge also said (in a couple of different articles): "Just because you’re one piece away doesn’t mean you can get it. And if you force yourself to get it, and if you force a deal or force yourself to get the second-best available or the third- or fourth-best available player at that position that you need, then it might not make you that much better or make you still not good enough, and you’re stuck. So, yeah, we’re not that far away, but we’re still a ways away. We still know we need to get better. Everybody in our organization knows we need to get better. We need to add.”

Seems pretty clear he's not going to unload his picks for George or Butler. I also think he thinks Fultz is the read deal but that's just IMO.

BigSoxFan · May 27, 2017

nighthob said:
One Porzingas deal that might be interesting, Boston sending Bradley & Fultz to New York for Porzingas and the right to swap firsts with the Knicks in 2018 (their first, not Brooklyn's). In that instance the Knicks get a third guard, and a young vet at that, to help Fultz as he breaks into the NBA, and the Knicks get to keep their #1 this year to draft either Markkanen or Isaac as a 'Zingas replacement and to give them a young talent bast to build around.

Boston gets the PF they need to dump Olynyk (whether via sign & trade into someone's cap space for a future first or by a straight rescinding of the QO), while adding a 2018 pick to use either in trade or to just add talent (the latter being more likely for luxury tax reasons).

Fultz/Bradley doesn't seem like nearly enough for Porzingis and I certainly wouldn't insist on the 2018 pick swap if I were Danny. They'd probably want Crowder or, say, the Memphis pick. I'm sure they'd ask for both Brooklyn picks but doubt Danny would surrender both for anyone without a unibrow.

djbayko · May 27, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
Rarely does anybody in any sport say who they're going to pick, even at #1. Hell a few weeks ago people were talking up the Browns thinking about Trubisky. If someone is willing to go bonkers for any of the top 4 Ainge wants to be ready.

Right. Announcing the player you intend to draft immediately eliminates possible trade scenarios. The likelihood of one of those scenarios coming to fruition and being deemed acceptable by Danny might be low, but...why do it? Ainge keeping his card los close to his chest is exactly what we should want as fans.

nighthob · May 27, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
Fultz/Bradley doesn't seem like nearly enough for Porzingis and I certainly wouldn't insist on the 2018 pick swap if I were Danny. They'd probably want Crowder or, say, the Memphis pick. I'm sure they'd ask for both Brooklyn picks but doubt Danny would surrender both for anyone without a unibrow.

The Knicks can ask for a Davis like price, but they're not going to get it.

BigSoxFan · May 27, 2017

nighthob said:
The Knicks can ask for a Davis like price, but they're not going to get it.

I think Ainge would be willing to spend a lot on Porzingis. Doubt he'd give up both Brooklyn picks but Fultz/Bradley/Yabusele/Memphis pick or something like that would be tempting.

benhogan · May 27, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
I think Ainge would be willing to spend a lot on Porzingis. Doubt he'd give up both Brooklyn picks but Fultz/Bradley/Yabusele/Memphis pick or something like that would be tempting.

Not to nitpick, but if the Knicks (in full re-build mode) are dealing Porzingis, why do they want 1yr of Bradley? Knicks would rather have Rozier or Crowder, cheaper, longer term assets.

ALSO If Danny is dealing Fultz, then he'll keep Bradley for next season.

BigSoxFan · May 28, 2017

benhogan said:
Not to nitpick, but if the Knicks (in full re-build mode) are dealing Porzingis, why do they want 1yr of Bradley? Knicks would rather have Rozier or Crowder, cheaper, longer term assets.

ALSO If Danny is dealing Fultz, then he'll keep Bradley for next season.

To start, I don't think the Knicks would ever consider trading Porzingis unless they got a Unibrow return but they would be trading for Bradley's Bird rights, which holds some value. But if this dream scenario ever materialized, I agree they'd probably want Crowder. My guess is it'd involve Fultz, some combination of Bradley/Crowder/Rozier/Smart, and future picks like the Memphis one. I think Ainge would gladly trade Fultz and other non-2018 Brooklyn assets for Porzingis but I don't see that as being enough.

nighthob · May 28, 2017

At that price I'd let the Knicks keep Porzingis. He isn't in the Unibrower's stratosphere as a player and I wouldn't give anything like that up for him.

amfox1 · May 28, 2017

nighthob said:
One Porzingas deal that might be interesting, Boston sending Bradley & Fultz to New York for Porzingas and the right to swap firsts with the Knicks in 2018 (their first, not Brooklyn's). In that instance the Knicks get a third guard, and a young vet at that, to help Fultz as he breaks into the NBA, and the Knicks get to keep their #1 this year to draft either Markkanen or Isaac as a 'Zingas replacement and to give them a young talent bast to build around.

Boston gets the PF they need to dump Olynyk (whether via sign & trade into someone's cap space for a future first or by a straight rescinding of the QO), while adding a 2018 pick to use either in trade or to just add talent (the latter being more likely for luxury tax reasons).

If I were the Knick GM, I would not trade Porzingis under any circumstances. At a minimum, I would want #1 this year and the 2018 BRK pick to even consider a trade.

However, Phil Jackson likely looks at this differently. He (and Dolan) want to be relevant again as soon as possible. Phil has no desire for 3-4 more years of obscurity in NYC. Looking at this from Phil's point of view, if he trades Porzingis, he needs to get players who can exist and thrive in the triangle next year who can get NYK back into the playoffs immediately.

Bradley and Crowder can do this, and Fultz surely can fit into the triangle. Since he might not be able to unload Anthony, Phil's best chance to turn around the Knicks quickly would be to turn an unhappy Porzingis into Bradley, Crowder and Fultz, and move Anthony to PF. The problem with this is that the Knicks are over the cap in 16-17 and therefore any draft trade must fit within the rules of this year's cap. As a result, it will be difficult to trade both Bradley and Crowder in any deal for Porzingis before 17-18 kicks in.

One trade that appears to work is as follows:

BOS trades Bradley, Crowder, #1 and #37 to NYK
NYK trades Porzingis, O'Quinn, Plumlee (nonguaranteed), Ndour (nonguaranteed), Baker (RFA) and #8

BOS then has sufficient room to sign Hayward and can draft BPA at #8.

Starters: Horford, Porzingis, Hayward, Brown, Thomas
Bench: O'Quinn, Zizic, Yabusele, #8, Green (re-signed), Smart, Rozier ++

chilidawg · May 28, 2017

nighthob said:
At that price I'd let the Knicks keep Porzingis. He isn't in the Unibrower's stratosphere as a player and I wouldn't give anything like that up for him.

Amen.

FelixMantilla · Jun 17, 2017

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitly

FelixMantilla · Jun 17, 2017

Daily News on the "thinking" behind the Nets-Celtics trade:

FelixMantilla said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitly

sox311 · Jun 20, 2017

Nets receive -
Deangelo Russel
Timofey Mozgov

Lakers receive -
Brook Lopez & #27 pick in the 2017 draft.

Good move on both ends if the Lakers wanted to say adios to Russell t hat bad.
Ridding themselves of Mozgov was huge.

Have to dig into the salary cap to see how this hits them to see what they can go after. Just not sure if this will make them any better or stay around the same.

sox311 · Jun 20, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
Pretty good move to at least get some value for Lopez before he walked for nothing next summer, but on the court I think this is neutral at best for 2018.

Love it.

Jed, would you hurry up and start the 2017/18 Lakers thread. But don't make it be the number one pick this year, number two is the best we want.

PedroKsBambino · Jun 20, 2017

sox311 said:
Jed, would you hurry up and start the 2017/18 Lakers thread. But don't make it be the number one pick this year, number two is the best we want.

Nets will be one, no worries there.

Kid T · Jun 21, 2017

I think I am in the minority in seeing this as a big win for the Lakers. Nets get back the albatross contract of Mozgov (not that they were in any danger of signing a big FA or competing in the next 2-3 years anyway). Russel is a guy who I think has shown he's unlikely to be what many envisioned going into the draft. He also plays the same position as Lin so I don't see this as a net positive for the Nets next year. Meanwhile the Lakers get a flawed but serviceable center and an expiring contract to dive deep into the FA pool next year. Don't understand why the Nets threw in a 1st rounder.

All told, unless the Lakers are able to trade for PG without giving too much off the current roster - I still think the Celtics are in reasonable position to draft 2 of the top 5 next year if the ping pong balls fall right (and barring too many other teams like Atlanta tanking).

By the way, how can Brooklyn trade away their first? Aren't they prohibited from trading their first this year after trading last years pick (and next year's) to the C's?

HomeRunBaker · Jun 21, 2017

Kid T said:
I think I am in the minority in seeing this as a big win for the Lakers. Nets get back the albatross contract of Mozgov (not that they were in any danger of signing a big FA or competing in the next 2-3 years anyway). Russel is a guy who I think has shown he's unlikely to be what many envisioned going into the draft. He also plays the same position as Lin so I don't see this as a net positive for the Nets next year. Meanwhile the Lakers get a flawed but serviceable center and an expiring contract to dive deep into the FA pool next year. Don't understand why the Nets threw in a 1st rounder.

All told, unless the Lakers are able to trade for PG without giving too much off the current roster - I still think the Celtics are in reasonable position to draft 2 of the top 5 next year if the ping pong balls fall right (and barring too many other teams like Atlanta tanking).

By the way, how can Brooklyn trade away their first? Aren't they prohibited from trading their first this year after trading last years pick (and next year's) to the C's?

This is one of those deals that make a ton of sense for both sides. It's a clear win for the Lakers as they now position themselves for George and LeBron next summer with Lopez coming off the books in 12 months.....while possibly (probably?) acquiring George this week.

The Nets get a win in adding a potential talent with the erratic Russell for only a low 1st and an expiring contract in Lopez. I don't feel Mozgov is an albatross contract by any means. He's a legitimate interior center in this league and those guys still cost a pretty penny......if you don't believe me then wait and see what FA Aron Baynes and his 5/4 earn this summer after he just turned down his $6.5m player option with the Pistons.

moondog80 · Jun 21, 2017

Jed Zeppelin said:
They got a first in the deal for Bogdanovich so they're good on the Stepien front.

Right. You are allowed to trade your first so long as you have another first round pick.

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