It'd be cool to see those compared to other teams also sorted by average GS. Then we'd have some concept of how tilted the curve is compared to a typical team.
David Price 2017
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I know Monday falls on Price's regular five day schedule, but knowing that his start is going to lean on the pen is another reason he's getting sandwiched between Porcello and Sale, two guys who haven't relied on the pen too much.
Well, I'm happy to say I jinxed him out of that with my nervous nellie unsubstantiated flip-flopping. I revert to my original statement from a while back, and eagerly await his outing on Monday.
I'm assuming he's healthy (or he's managed to fool everyone into thinking that).
From there it's a matter of him likely being at least as good as any of the other guys brought up from Pawtucket so far. Even if he's not quite David price, he's not Sean o'velazquez.
From there it's a matter of him likely being at least as good as any of the other guys brought up from Pawtucket so far. Even if he's not quite David price, he's not Sean o'velazquez.
I'm not sure that assumption is warranted.
I fear this is a situation where there's something wrong, the treatment is a season-ending surgery, there is relatively little chance of making it worse with normal pitching use, and the team is trying to get as much out of Price this season as possible in the hopes that the surgery can be done in the off season to minimize the time missed.
In the meantime, Price will pitch with reduced effectiveness and piss us all off. That's fine, though. We have an ace in Sale and Eduardo Rodriguez is pitching pretty damn well. If Price pitches reasonably well--say a 105 ERA+ or so--we'll be fine.
Unless of course he snaps a goddamn tendon and misses the rest of this season and a bunch of next as well.
I am skeptical that the outcome will be awesome.
5/29 Observations:
- Velocity was great. Easy 94, 95 mph fastball, kept it up in that range throughout the game. Max 97.5 according to Brooks Baseball.
- He seemed to located his 4-seam well-enough (75% strike, but was a bit erratic with his secondary pitches. 2 HB on inside curveballs, and a poorly thrown cutter over the plate that Melky Cabrera took deep. 65% strikes overall.
- Though he only gave up 2 hits, there were some long at-bats that ran up Price's pitch count. White Sox fouled off 25 out of 88 pitches.
- Over 80% of his repertoire tonight consisted of some sort of fastball. 3 2-seam, 40 4-seam, 28 cutters. As he pitches deeper into games going forward I would assume he'll mix in more changeups and curveballs. In any given season he's typically around 70-75% hard stuff.
The stuff was very encouraging. I actually thought that cutter he threw today had more depth than at anytime last season.
Any commentary from those who were panicking about his lack of control in his rehab starts? Granted it's one start but I read everything from Price being a virtual lock for TJ surgery to Farrell/DD putting acquiescing to a star before the good of the club.
As a worrier about the control, I'd be happy to comment and say it seems I was worried more than I should have been. The many deep counts, though, drove up the pitch count, and control may play a part in that. Hopefully he doesn't leave too many more cutters over the heart to guys who can hit them far. Also hoping that foulkehampshire is right and he'll be able to mix in more soft stuff in his next start. He's got to find a way to put guys away. But for his first real turn on the mound since last fall, I think we will all take it and hope he can build on it.
He grooved one pitch and Melky hit it. It happens.
The back to back walks were a little more worrisome, as he seemed to lose the zone a bit. It takes hard work to walk Anderson, who has a career 161/18 K/BB ratio.
But, for his first start, it was encouraging. Let's see what Saturday brings.
The back to back walks were a little more worrisome, as he seemed to lose the zone a bit. It takes hard work to walk Anderson, who has a career 161/18 K/BB ratio.
But, for his first start, it was encouraging. Let's see what Saturday brings.
But he left McCoy without talking to the media. Not sure everyone is over that.
Seriously, this is about as good as I expected. Two AB's make this a very good or very poor start. If Melky misses that FB the way Hanley missed his, he pitches 5 clean. If X and Rutledge don't turn that DP, he has (per twitter) two meltdown innings. The velo and location were better than I expected. The reports that he was missing arm side at Pawtucket had me concerned he'd be flying open, but the cutters crossing the plate and the FB's on the arm side black were encouraging. I thought he looked good. Can't wait to see this rotation if both he and Drew click at the same time. Gonna be some easy weeks coming up if that happens.
Probably a good thing that they didn't overreact to him allowing a bunch of singles in a rehab start.
yesterday was probably the best thing that's happened all year to this team. You can actually see a path how they could compete for a pennant now.
now just get ERod, Hanley, Pedroia and Holt healthy, get AB, MB and JBJ back on track and find a real third baseman. And hope that Smith or Thornburg will be abel to help come august and september.
ugh
now just get ERod, Hanley, Pedroia and Holt healthy, get AB, MB and JBJ back on track and find a real third baseman. And hope that Smith or Thornburg will be abel to help come august and september.
ugh
I came away pretty impressed, actually. He ground the game out, continued to pitch well even when they fell behind 3-0, didn't walk anyone, only gave up 6 hits, got them 7 innings on a night where I thought he might only go 5.
He bulled his way though the game. I liked that.
He bulled his way though the game. I liked that.
Yeah, it could have gotten away from him after it was 3-0 but he was able to bear down and get through it. He also finished strong which was good to see.
Every game is still a struggle for him, though. He has to gut through every start. You see glimpses of his old self. I really hope he can get it all back together.
Every game is still a struggle for him, though. He has to gut through every start. You see glimpses of his old self. I really hope he can get it all back together.
I saw two indicators I really liked: no walks, and relative lack of RHH SLG.
He gave up four of his six hits to RHH, including three doubles. But going three times through a lineup that went RSLRSSLRR, I think that outcome actually shows him handling RHH quite well: .190/.190/.333 if I did the math right. That SLG from RHH had been .481 on the season before yesterday.
He gave up four of his six hits to RHH, including three doubles. But going three times through a lineup that went RSLRSSLRR, I think that outcome actually shows him handling RHH quite well: .190/.190/.333 if I did the math right. That SLG from RHH had been .481 on the season before yesterday.
To me, it seems he has lost the depth on his slider. It's flat, like a cutter and doesn't bury down and in to rhh like it used to. I always thought that was his best pitch.
Anyone know what batters are hitting against that pitch this year versus in the past? I wond r if the elbow effects his ability to throw that pitch
Anyone know what batters are hitting against that pitch this year versus in the past? I wond r if the elbow effects his ability to throw that pitch
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/06/30/david-price-dennis-eckersley-have-confrontation/Sb8REdh9mlEisYhUtnJ8pN/amp.html
Going after Eck is a bold move, David. I haven't hated a Red Sox player this much since Shea Hillenbrand.
Going after Eck is a bold move, David. I haven't hated a Red Sox player this much since Shea Hillenbrand.
If I had to guess Price took issue with something Eck said on the Post-Game, or after his start ended and saw it in the dressing room, and acted like a little butch about it.
I am going with it's something Eck said about an earlier performance, but Price waited and stewed until he had a decent game for the confrontation.
Did Price call Eck an old bastard who is way past his bleepin' age?
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I hope he's acting like an ass intentionally so the fans completely turn on him and he uses as excuse to opt-out.
Buh?
Bye.
Buh?
Bye.
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I can't remember a Sox player I've disliked more than Price. I'm sure there was someone, but I can't remember who it was.
Beat me to it. For me maybe Lackey but I dont remember why
If he stops rolling over for the MFY maybe I could overlook it. A borderline QS now and then against mediocre teams aint cutting it
Why though? He's surly, but lots of players are. He was also fine last year performance wise, though I think we all expected more. It's just puzzling to me to read stuff like this when the team is also paying insane amounts of money for a third baseman that can't stay in shape and has provided negative value. I'm not a huge fan, but I can think of a ton more players that I've disliked more than Price. To each their own I guess.
Brooks-baseball classifying it as cutter (no sliders).
Yr_BA_SLG
2014- 185-283
2015- 241-386
2016-319-484
2017-273-485
Regardless of Brooks Baseball classification I believe he throws both. I believe I read somewhere that he started going to the cutter more at the end 2015 , which is when the consolidated cutter + slider numbers above started creeping up
Edit-2nd half of 2015 is when the juiced ball with lower seam height was supposedly introduced. I wonder if this effected his slider? Sheer speculation on my part though
Just do your job. You are well compensated to not worry about what other people say about you. Do, your job. Everything else is noise.
There were not one, but two threads started in the last few months on this very subject.
It's not performance based, at all. I never liked the guy when he was with the Rays and he's done little to nothing to endear himself to the Boston fan base. I get that lots of guys can be surly. He just seems insufferable and is constantly trying to play the victim card. While I have every reason to hate on a guy like Panda, he doesn't seem to complain and we all knew he would be terrible.
The scary part is my initial concern is more about Eck's feelings then Price. His candid analysis and ability to carry DOB for 4 hours make watching NESN bearable (not going to expand on the Southwest commercials, slow instant replays on close calls, NESN GO ads, etc).
Price can opt out if he doesn't like it in Boston, he's overpaid and I'd rather use that cash to eventually extend Sale after 2018.
Price can opt out if he doesn't like it in Boston, he's overpaid and I'd rather use that cash to eventually extend Sale after 2018.
My guess is that it goes back to some commentary Eck made in one of Price's previous starts. I certainly don't remember anything Eck said the other night that Price might reasonably take offense to.
I think Price is in the wrong to be getting into verbal fights with Eck or sportswriters or whatever, but if that's what he needs to self-motivate to pitch well like he did the other night, I don't have any strong objections as a fan.
As for opting out, IMO there's very little chance of that happening. The money is simply too good to walk away from, and the MLBPA would likely place some strong pressure on him to stay here and get that $217 million he's owed, because he's probably not going to get that if he opts out.
This fits into a pattern for Price going back at least to him lashing out and quitting Twitter after shitting his pants in the playoffs. And it wasn't just that, it was of course the way he did it, pointing to his accomplishments in college as if they were of any importance.
Obviously we have no idea what really happened, but it seems like even if Eck did say something unfair, he'd be the first person to discuss it honestly if you asked him about it.
The media sucks in general (outside of rare ones like Eck, who I adore). Most reasonable fans would have no problem if Price approached them like Barry Bonds or Marshawn Lynch, who really didn't care what anyone said, and just said "I'm gonna focus on my game" and left it at that. But Price seems to also really care about what people are saying about him, both media and just fans on Twitter. It's like if you break up with someone, but you keep checking their social media posts. But, this is who he is.
Obviously we have no idea what really happened, but it seems like even if Eck did say something unfair, he'd be the first person to discuss it honestly if you asked him about it.
The media sucks in general (outside of rare ones like Eck, who I adore). Most reasonable fans would have no problem if Price approached them like Barry Bonds or Marshawn Lynch, who really didn't care what anyone said, and just said "I'm gonna focus on my game" and left it at that. But Price seems to also really care about what people are saying about him, both media and just fans on Twitter. It's like if you break up with someone, but you keep checking their social media posts. But, this is who he is.
Regarding the opt out, honestly, he could possibly be the first guy to leave all that money on the table even if his performance drops. Every player is different, but it could have been put in place for both the chance to earn more money, and to seek greener pastures if things weren't so hot. I'm sure he had enough of a taste of Boston previously to know it had the potential to be rough. There just aren't enough opt out examples with high priced players in situations like this to know one way or the other.
I'm fine if he's just surly and doesn't talk to the media, but god the passive aggressive stuff when he does and being thin-skinned drives me nuts. That and the 25 seconds in between pitch thing.
Also - how does this incident get leaked? Isn't it basically just personnel and the broadcasters on the plane who would want to keep it in house?
I'm fine if he's just surly and doesn't talk to the media, but god the passive aggressive stuff when he does and being thin-skinned drives me nuts. That and the 25 seconds in between pitch thing.
Also - how does this incident get leaked? Isn't it basically just personnel and the broadcasters on the plane who would want to keep it in house?
Not surprised, thought it was a terrible signing, still furious that he can't perform above replacement level.