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He has good control out there but i'm not sure about irrational exhuberance from a G-League (preparing for the day) performance against this level of defense. The chair resisted more against Yi Jianlian than the defenses do in these games.

I can see Yabu as a second unit Larry Johnson-type someday. How quickly we forget Nader. So unfaithful ;)
 

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He looks like a guy who will struggle driving to the lane in the NBA. But if he can hit a 3 consistently it won't matter much. I wonder just how much we'll see of him in Boston next year. He offers outside shooting so if Jerebko and Olynyk walk, he has a role.
 

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He looks like a poor man's Millsap at the moment. He has a nose for the ball rebounding, he's long, he plays hard, and gets results despite the less than optimal athleticism.

He's a good shooter, but that release is too slow for him to become the type of scorer Millsap is (he looks strictly like "other guy on the floor" material to me). But so long as there are better scorers on the floor, he's going to stretch it from behind the arc.
 

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The difference between how high he jumps on rebounds (looks normal) versus going to the basket is almost comical. When he jumps off one foot it looks like he doesn't even jump. It's like he is tethered to the floor.

Guy is huge though. Much bigger than I realized
 

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Game 2 highlights, 20 and 11 on 7-9 shooting including 4-5 from deep:
Very aggressive on the glass, and has a big ole space-clearing butt. Shot looks good to me, not the quickest release but not Amir-slow or anything like that. Will need to be able to pass off the dribble because he won't make it to the rim most of the time on those drives.
With that enormous caboose, Yabusele should be able to develop a good low-post game. Right now, however, he seems to get most of his points on spot-up threes and drives to the hoop.
 

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A lot will depend on his attitude to inconsistent playing time. He will be really effective against certain matchups, etc, but other times may have to sit. If he is the kind of guy that can bide his time, he could have major impact once a week and as long as he can hold his own other times he will be valuable.
 

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I just heard Masslive's Jay King podcasting about Yabu after watching his 2 D-league games. A few things of interest:

1. Not an ideal situation for Yabu, coming from China, to play the final 2 regular season games after 1-month of not playing due to injury and visa issues.

2. Has an NFL tackle-type build.

3. Really can move, for a big guy. But lateral quickness (eg, on rotations) is lacking.

4. He called the comparisons to Sullinger "lazy", noting that Yabu has no post up game whatsoever (or at least none that he showed in the D league).

5. His offensive game is shooting the 3 and driving closeouts, which he can do well. Even looked good on some isos. In time, this part of his game should should translate to the NBA.

6. Defensively, he's lost. He was a big part of the reason why 37-year old Damien Wilkins torched the Claws for 40. His D league team quickly relized that Yabu was slow on switches and started running a lot of plays designed to get Yabu switched onto him.

7. King thinks he will probably, but not necessarily, sign for next year.
 

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It would be very ideal if he would play overseas one more year and sign with the Cs for the 18/19 season.
I think that's only true if he want to a better league and was capable of earning playing time (see Zizic, who did and was).
 

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I think it would be very ideal if other teams think of him as "a #4 pick in a 2016 redraft" sort of player, so that he can shipped off instead of 2017 or 2018 BRK pick in a trade for a Butler/George/Etc.
 

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I think it would be very ideal if other teams think of him as "a #4 pick in a 2016 redraft" sort of player, so that he can shipped off instead of 2017 or 2018 BRK pick in a trade for a Butler/George/Etc.
Seriously. I get that the lists generated by Ford/Pelton aren't worth the bytes used to display them, but if that information is in any way representative of the 'insiders' opinions then I'm selling high.
 

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For some reason I didn't know this, but Emmanuel Mudiay played a year in China instead of going to college ball because his family needed the financial support. As an 18 year old, he averaged 18 points, 6.3 rebounds, 5.9 assists, and 1.6 steals shooting .478/.343/.574 in 31.5 minutes per over the course of 12 games. As a 19 year old in the NBA, he averaged 12.8, 3.4, 5.5, 1.0 on .364/.319/.670 shooting in 30.4 minutes. This year he's at 10.9, 3.2, 4.0, 0.7 on .372/.316/.784 shooting in 25.6. Not sure if it really means much in comparison to Yabusele though.

And OT, but .574-->.670-->.784 is quite the progression when it comes to FTs. 27/47, 140/209, 131/167.
 

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I've been somewhat of a Yabu-skeptic, mainly due to questions about the opposition he was facing in China, but now he's doing the same stuff against guys with near-NBA size/athleticism. 26/9 last night and still looking surprisingly smooth and explosive for a guy his size. Looks quick running the floor and comfortable facing up. With his nice jumper and ginormous ass, he can be a weapon as a screener- tough guy to get around.
 

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now he's doing the same stuff against guys with near-NBA size/athleticism. 26/9 last night and still looking surprisingly smooth and explosive for a guy his size. Looks quick running the floor and comfortable facing up. With his nice jumper and ginormous ass.
I didn't see it posted up-thread, but (as another arm length aficionado) its worth noting he has a 7'1" reach. For a 6'8" PF that mechanical advantage combined with his athleticism and, ahem, other assets will be must-see for me next season.

With his showing on the Red Claws, our weakness in the front court, and the potential need to strip down the roster to make room for a max contract player I think its almost certain he is a Celtic.
 

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Does he potentially have a historic, all-NBA ass? I feel like there should be a "waistspan" stat to take into account how much space he takes up compared to other people.
 

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I didn't see it posted up-thread, but (as another arm length aficionado) its worth noting he has a 7'1" reach. For a 6'8" PF that mechanical advantage combined with his athleticism and, ahem, other assets will be must-see for me next season.

With his showing on the Red Claws, our weakness in the front court, and the potential need to strip down the roster to make room for a max contract player I think its almost certain he is a Celtic.
Yeah, that wingspan stands out when you watch him too, combined with his decent vertical, he's able to contest shots that I wouldn't expect a guy with his build to be able to get near. I do wonder if he'd be better served dropping 15 pounds or so to try to increase his lateral quickness, particularly so he can defend the perimeter better, but I'm not sure whether it'd be worth the loss of strength trade-off. Watching the Bucks game last night I was laughing to myself at the thought of a guy like Thon Maker trying to move him off the block.

Does he potentially have a historic, all-NBA ass? I feel like there should be a "waistspan" stat to take into account how much space he takes up compared to other people.
Dancin' Bear got back for days. It's glorious. If he hits up deadlifts hard and continues to learn the art of boxing out, nobody is getting around that thing. Reminds me of Rodney Rogers, who I felt should've been better at getting guys on his big old backside and grabbing boards, but Yabusele looks to me even bigger. Get him and Marcus out there and that line-up is thicc.
 

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I've been somewhat of a Yabu-skeptic, mainly due to questions about the opposition he was facing in China, but now he's doing the same stuff against guys with near-NBA size/athleticism. 26/9 last night and still looking surprisingly smooth and explosive for a guy his size. Looks quick running the floor and comfortable facing up. With his nice jumper and ginormous ass, he can be a weapon as a screener- tough guy to get around.
I'm not sure you can read too much into his D league stats either since any competent big will look like a monster. I do like the Rodney Rogers comparison, but Yabu should be a better rebounder. I also agree that Yabu is going to see significant time in Boston next year, but how much time depends on if they bring back any of Olynyk/Amir/Jerebko and on Zizic's performance/development. I think everyone's already written Zizic in for 20-25 minutes next year but I'm not entirely sure that's the case and wouldn't be surprised if Yabu was the one in Boston and Zizic in Maine. I guess there is an outside chance both could be on the team. It'd be interesting to see how they play together.

Thing is, rookie bigs are often pretty big net negatives on the court so having 2 of them on a contending team could cause problems.
 

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It's a long bench. I think they are going to want Zizic to be around Brad Stevens and the team, with occasional stints in Maine for some in-game experience. The faster he assimilates, the quicker he becomes valuable.

Put another way, Jordan Mickey was with the big club for much of the year. If he can ride the pine with the big club, surely Zizic can in his stead.
 

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It's a long bench. I think they are going to want Zizic to be around Brad Stevens and the team, with occasional stints in Maine for some in-game experience. The faster he assimilates, the quicker he becomes valuable.

Put another way, Jordan Mickey was with the big club for much of the year. If he can ride the pine with the big club, surely Zizic can in his stead.
Yeah, I just assumed they'd want him to get some court time. I'm guessing court time for a basketball player isn't nearly as important as at bats for a baseball player though so maybe it doesn't matter much if he's rotting on the bench. Plus, Zizic would be playing against his teammates in practice so he'd still be getting "court time."
 

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Anyway, in the 5 games Yabu has played in Maine: 26.9 minutes, .596/.412/.818 17.4 points, 8.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.4 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 3.0 PF. In last night's 26/9 effort, he had 5 turnovers and 5 personal fouls to go along with 2 assists and 2 blocks.

A big part of his game is driving to the lane. I'm not sure that will fly in the NBA and given his turnover troubles in the D league so far, he's not doing anything to alleviate my concerns. He'll probably live behind the arch in the NBA but he's a decent offensive rebounder so he'll probably get a few easy buckets that way too.
 

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1) Given his girth and his general athleticism, I'd expect to see him in the paint drawing fouls at the NBA level too.
2) Looking at last night's box score, I'd say Bentil outsmarted himself by declining the option to stick with the C's org.
3) I remain intrigued by Nader. Couldn't he be a pretty interesting backup wing?
 

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Nader reminds me of Linas Kleiza. Similar frame. Catch and shoot ability, can drive a bit and be a bit of a load when doing so. Limited agility.
 
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Game 1:
Player A: 39 minutes, 12-19 shooting, 26 points, 16 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 steals
Player B: 23 minutes, 3-7 shooting, 6 points, 2 rebounds

Game 2:
Player A: 34 minutes, 11-16 shooting, 27 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks
Player B: 26 minutes, 7-14 shooting, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3:
Player A: 39 minutes, 9-19 shooting, 22 points, 14 rebounds, 4 blocks
Player B: 30 minutes, 10-14 shooting, 26 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocksl
 

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Game 1:
Player A: 39 minutes, 12-19 shooting, 26 points, 16 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 steals
Player B: 23 minutes, 3-7 shooting, 6 points, 2 rebounds

Game 2:
Player A: 34 minutes, 11-16 shooting, 27 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks
Player B: 26 minutes, 7-14 shooting, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3:
Player A: 39 minutes, 9-19 shooting, 22 points, 14 rebounds, 4 blocks
Player B: 30 minutes, 10-14 shooting, 26 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocksl
Jerk.

(completely fair point- Yabusele's the shiny new guy while Mickey is...not)