2017 Draft - Round 1 Game Thread
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McCaffrey over Cook?
edit: NM, just read Cooks background story...red flags everywhere.
edit: NM, just read Cooks background story...red flags everywhere.
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Also on the NFL on XM yesterday morning they stated that Cook's measurables weren't as good (explosive/athletic) from the combine as they were expecting. Still probably a first rounder but not probably that high.
I can't believe they're going to talk themselves into Trubinsky. After getting some off-season plaudits about a new way of doing business, they're risking a lot of that now.
Of course, there's something to be said for trusting your own evals of players--BB does it and doesn't care of "experts" give someone a 5th round grade and he wants him in the 4th.
But if Trubinsky does not work, he's going to end a lot of careers.
Of course, there's something to be said for trusting your own evals of players--BB does it and doesn't care of "experts" give someone a 5th round grade and he wants him in the 4th.
But if Trubinsky does not work, he's going to end a lot of careers.
I can't believe that Mitch Tribusky could be the #1 overall pick. He's been a starter for 1 season. If a front office wants to mortgage their jobs on an unknown quantity at 1-1 go right ahead. That's why they're Cleveland.
Daniel Jeremiah has Joe Mixon going in the 1st round to Green Bay in his final mock.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/350709
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/350709
And Hue Jackson has made it clear he wants Garrett too. You bring in a QB whisperer coach then use 1-1 to give him a QB he doesn't want? Cleveland.
They can get both which is why taking Tribusky at 1 is so dumb. In true misinformation season there are teams putting out false rumors saying they're interested in Tribusky before 12 to see if they can get Cleveland to give up assets to trade up. Take Garrett at 1 and if you truly want Tribusky well this is why they accumulated so many picks. Trade up for him if you want. If not, wait until 12 and take Watson if you want a QB that badly. I'm on record that none of these QBs even merit 1st round grades but the market dictates that the top 4 QBs will be gone by 32.
Cleveland needs to accumulate talent at whatever position they can. I heard an argument this morning that if a team believes that someone will be a franchise QB you take him no matter where in the draft. Well, Tribusky isn't someone to take at 1-1.
Can anyone imagine BB at a press conference leading up to the draft if he held the 1/1? He might set a new record for "We'll do what's best for the football team" and "We're only going to talk about the players on our team."
The only outcome more Brownsian than Cleveland taking Trubisky with 1-1 would be if they passed on him and he turned into a superstar.
It's unfathomable to me that Trubisky could go at 1-1, let alone in the first round. None of these guys should be first round picks - Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes.
Edit: I've said it before but I'd take Garrett at 1-1, make another safe pick at 1-12, and then you can roll the dice on a Q at 33 - be it Mahomes, Watson, or even Trubisky
Edit: I've said it before but I'd take Garrett at 1-1, make another safe pick at 1-12, and then you can roll the dice on a Q at 33 - be it Mahomes, Watson, or even Trubisky
I'd go to the show tonight, but I know it's going to be a giant clusterfuck down there (it already is and things haven't even started yet), and hanging around drunk Eagles fans isn't my cup of tea.
I feel pretty confident that Trubisky isn't going #1. The Browns might just be trying to drive up interest so another team (Jets? Jags? Niners? Bears?) panics and trades up to get him. They probably field phone calls for 14 minutes and then if they don't hear anything they like, pull the trigger on Myles Garrett at #1.
QB thirst and media hype is real. Browns are sitting pretty. They can stand pat or try and drum up some interest, trade down and accumulate more picks, and still get two high impact players.
Then again, they could Browns the shit out of this and pick Trubisky.
QB thirst and media hype is real. Browns are sitting pretty. They can stand pat or try and drum up some interest, trade down and accumulate more picks, and still get two high impact players.
Then again, they could Browns the shit out of this and pick Trubisky.
You would think that out of the Jags, Niners, Bears, and Browns that someone would be willing to trade their high pick for Jimmy rather than draft Trubisky. But...it's the NFL, and teams tend to be more infatuated with unknown talent than known talent.
There was some recent interview with Trubisky where they asked him a semi-difficult question about how come he only started one year and he gave this response referring to ". . my journey . . " (his exact phrasing) that was the weirdest most off-putting thing. I tried to imagine Joe Montana or Tom Brady referring to " . . my journey . . " in the douchy, my publicist told me to say this way that Trubisky did and couldn't manage it.
Huge, insupportable inference from something tiny, he's gonna fail.
Did they follow up by asking how many of his teammates went to his birthday party?
I am rooting for the Browns rebuild to work successfully. Not only do I feel for their fanbase but out of all the teams in the AFCN, I hate them the least. I would love it if the Browns punted on QB altogether, continued to acquire future picks while also stacking up on both their defense and their offensive line.
Can you imagine coming away from the first two rounds of this draft with Garrett/Thomas (DE), Lattimore/Humphrey/King/Melifonwu (CB), & Reddick/Davis/Cunningham (LB) while still having nine more draft picks, two of which are before the Patriots first selection?
Edit: That said, if they draft a QB with #1 overall, I am not smart enough to say that it is a mistake.
Can you imagine coming away from the first two rounds of this draft with Garrett/Thomas (DE), Lattimore/Humphrey/King/Melifonwu (CB), & Reddick/Davis/Cunningham (LB) while still having nine more draft picks, two of which are before the Patriots first selection?
Edit: That said, if they draft a QB with #1 overall, I am not smart enough to say that it is a mistake.
Drafting a QB #1 isn't bad in a vacuum. When your choices are what's in this draft, it's a fireable offense given the impact players available. If they drafted, say, Jamal Adams #1 it wouldn't be a terrible pick if he didn't live up to his potential. He at least can be serviceable and can play a role. If they go with Tribusky #1 and he fails it will set the team back 3-4 years. They will give him every chance to succeed and they'll waste seasons trying to figure it out. Even the most polished prospects at #1 have failed. Tribusky is far from polished.
Where does Garrett rank among the recent high profile early defensive picks? Guys like Von Miller, Clowney, etc.
Greg Bedard on 98.5: "If the Browns draft Tribusky #1, they should be relegated to Arena football."
The Browns are literally in a perfect position if they don't screw it up. Take Garrett #1, where there is very little unknown and we know the physical skills are off the chart. Give him to Greg Williams and sit back and watch. Take a QB with one of the other early picks you have or package and move up to get one over the other if you prefer. No one is going to look at this draft as a failed draft if the QB doesn't become a reliable starter. They are playing with house money once they take Garrett. Granted they'd like to strike gold with all the early picks, but taking Garrett gives them some room if the QB doesn't really work out. But if they take a QB first, he doesn't work out, and the 12 becomes a guy that doesn't ever figure it out, they are back to doing Browns type things.
Wow. I am pretty sure that was straight from his time with Jon Gruden. There was one of the QBs that he made write down the word "Journey" - "I want you to remember this word 'journey'" and the Gruden talked about the "journey" of the kid's college career. I am 99% sure it was Trubisky, and of course he's the one where it makes sense.
Edit: It wasn't really as helpful as Gruden singing the Roadrunner song to Watson "If he catches you you're through" to warn him not to telegraph his throws so much or safeties such as Earl Thomas will keep intercepting him.. Although that didn't make sense because he kept calling the safety the "Roadrunner" and of course it's the coyote who is trying to catch the bird. But I digress.
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Move the Sticks (Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks) did a segment on this a couple of weeks ago. Based on grades of guys coming out of college (not what the have done in the pros), they went:
1. Mario Williams
2. Clowney
3. Garrett
4. JJ Watt
5. Khalil Mack
edit: To clarify, these were the 5 highest rated DL/LB types they have evaluated over the last 10 years or so.
Both Kiper and McShay predict the Browns will take Trubisky at 1-1, with Garrett falling into the Niners' lap.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/19253179/mel-kiper-final-2017-nfl-mock-draft-where-do-mitchell-trubisky-deshaun-watson-land
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/19252686/todd-mcshay-final-2017-nfl-mock-draft
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/19253179/mel-kiper-final-2017-nfl-mock-draft-where-do-mitchell-trubisky-deshaun-watson-land
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/19252686/todd-mcshay-final-2017-nfl-mock-draft
I would think this should be the final straw from any Browns fan, I just can't imagine supporting that pick with such an incredible talent on the other side of the ball available. It makes me appreciate my fandom in New England more and more watching the institutional stability at play here.
I remember JJ Watt falling to 11 was kinda surprising and that many of us were screaming for the pats to trade up to get him.
Of course we scream for the pats to move up to get alot of guys that end up sucking out loud.
But it was odd that he was considered such a talent and fell that far compared to Williams (#1) Clowney (#1) Mack (#5) and Garret (pretty much consensus he SHOULD be #1).
Of course we scream for the pats to move up to get alot of guys that end up sucking out loud.
But it was odd that he was considered such a talent and fell that far compared to Williams (#1) Clowney (#1) Mack (#5) and Garret (pretty much consensus he SHOULD be #1).
I could see CLE's long game being to not be outbid for JG in a year or two while building through the draft to create a team around him. IF that risk paid off it would be a sound strategy. Gigantic if though.
Today's application: why trade for JG when we can be #1 offer for him next year or 2019. Meanwhile, he doesn't get injured while learning from the best.
Today's application: why trade for JG when we can be #1 offer for him next year or 2019. Meanwhile, he doesn't get injured while learning from the best.
The downside of that "long game" is that Brady will be another year older, may have shown signs of regression, and the Patriots' would be even more convinced not to trade JG
IIRC JG is a free agent after the 2017 season, though I guess they could franchise tag him.
Ed Werder @EdWerderespn 25m25 minutes ago
Breaking: Titans might have a trade in place to move back in tonight's draft #NFLDraft
Breaking: Titans might have a trade in place to move back in tonight's draft #NFLDraft
Yep. Trying to get a podcast together as well.
The Saints tweeted earlier that they'd welcome (and feed) him today, as he was in New Orleans on assignment for ESPN
Just so I understand, you're suggesting that ESPN fires people for false reporting?