2016-2017 NBA Game Thread

HomeRunBaker · Mar 27, 2017

RedOctober3829 said:
The Cavs have taken a vacation until the playoffs start. They clearly don't give a shit about the rest of the regular season with the way they are playing defense lately.

I felt the Cavs played hard tonight. The problem was that midway through the 3rd they were shooting 3's at a 3-23 clip including 1-11 out of LeBron, Kyrie, and Love.

They are still incorporating over half of their rotation into the mix while everyone else is in full swing. Love and JR Smith are rusty and in training camp shape returning from their injuries, Korver missed two weeks and has never played with Love or JR prior to last week, Deron and Derrick Williams have never played with Love, JR, or Korver, etc.

NBA team defense in todays game requires all five defenders to be on the same page. When one is out of position it leads to an offensive play that makes the entire defense look like.......well, what the Cavs defense has looked like the past month.

RoDaddy · Mar 27, 2017

C's officially in first place! I did not expect this this year but IT's great year, the addition of AH and Cleveland not quite being what they were last year all contributed. Let's hope we can hold the regular season lead

RoDaddy · Mar 27, 2017

The Social Chair · Mar 27, 2017

Celtics on top and the Nets on the bottom is very sweet.

snowmanny · Mar 27, 2017

I don't think it means much (anything) , but 538 has the Celtics at 6% to win it all. And Cavs at 3%.

DJnVa · Mar 27, 2017

Gash Prex said:
So Bron gets an elbow to upper back/shoulder and he falls down like he was shot - bizzare looking injury

Twitter is having a blast with this. He was hit, but it doesn't look like it's hard at all.

sox311 · Mar 28, 2017

The Social Chair said:
Celtics on top and the Nets on the bottom is very sweet.

This is the apex. This is the literal absolute best case scenario concerning results year to date. Crazy. Obviously, its not over, but wow.

BigSoxFan · Mar 28, 2017

snowmanny said:
I don't think it means much (anything) , but 538 has the Celtics at 6% to win it all. And Cavs at 3%.

That seems silly. Who here would be confident about the Celtics winning more than, say, 1 game were the two teams to face off in the playoffs?

Lose Remerswaal · Mar 28, 2017

In a seven game series with a 2/2/1/1/1 format I would expect the celts to take two games, assuming both teams are at full health.

CantKeepmedown · Mar 28, 2017

I would be ecstatic if they could push it 7 games. But yeah, after having not won a playoff series the past couple years, losing the ECF in 6 games has to be considered a successful season.

Light-Tower-Power · Mar 28, 2017

Getting past the first round would be a success as far as I'm concerned. Snagging the 1 seed and getting home court through the East would be intriguing though since home court seems to matter more in the NBA than other sports.

SilasCL · Mar 28, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
That seems silly. Who here would be confident about the Celtics winning more than, say, 1 game were the two teams to face off in the playoffs?

I'm confident they would win 2 games, but I think this stat is more about how dreadful the eastern conference has finished this season. 6% versus 3% is splitting hairs.

I would pick the Warriors or Spurs to win in 5 games over any team in the east right now.

Lose Remerswaal · Mar 28, 2017

Can't argue with any part of Silas's comments.

DJnVa · Mar 28, 2017

snowmanny said:
I don't think it means much (anything) , but 538 has the Celtics at 6% to win it all. And Cavs at 3%.

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JakeRae · Mar 28, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
That seems silly. Who here would be confident about the Celtics winning more than, say, 1 game were the two teams to face off in the playoffs?

I'm not confident predicting any outcome for that hypothetical series, but I think winning more than one game is far more likely than not. The Cavs have not played good basketball in a long time and it is not because they aren't trying. Or, at least, it's not because Lebron isn't trying. I am confident they will play better in the playoffs, but I'm not sure that looks much different from how the Celtics are playing right now. After a very strong start, the Cavs have basically been a .500 team for almost 3 months now. Now, maybe Love and JR get fully healthy and they start to look more like the team that won last year and rushed out of the gate strong this year. But, they may also keep scuffling and just never pull it back together this year. 538 is going to underrate the possibility of the former, but I think most fans are dramatically underrating the probability of the latter.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 28, 2017

JakeRae said:
Now, maybe Love and JR get fully healthy and they start to look more like the team that won last year and rushed out of the gate strong this year.

Include Korver in this group who could be more of an impact player than any of the newcomers or returning injured players. He's the wildcard who is going to get a ton of open looks in the playoffs if he's healthy or else LeBron and Kyrie will have a ton of single coverage.

The team we've seen struggle over the past month isn't the same team the Cavs will be fielding in the spring.....and they will presumably be out of "preseason mode."

JakeRae · Mar 28, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
Include Korver in this group who could be more of an impact player than any of the newcomers or returning injured players. He's the wildcard who is going to get a ton of open looks in the playoffs if he's healthy or else LeBron and Kyrie will have a ton of single coverage.

The team we've seen struggle over the past month isn't the same team the Cavs will be fielding in the spring.....and they will presumably be out of "preseason mode."

It's not the last month, it's the last 2.75 months. They haven't been good at any point in 2017. That might change, but we're not talking about a team that is coasting through the last month of the season. We're talking about a team where Lebron has been trying to put the team on his back and carry them since, at least, the All Star break and he is failing.

scottyno · Mar 28, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
Include Korver in this group who could be more of an impact player than any of the newcomers or returning injured players. He's the wildcard who is going to get a ton of open looks in the playoffs if he's healthy or else LeBron and Kyrie will have a ton of single coverage.

The team we've seen struggle over the past month isn't the same team the Cavs will be fielding in the spring.....and they will presumably be out of "preseason mode."

Korver is getting the open looks (or was until he got hurt), 48% for 3 on 6 a game, but his defense was so bad that he was giving back just as many points and more

Sam Ray Not · Mar 28, 2017

Warriors smack down the Rockets in Houston, 113-106, despite a 23 point deficit (35-12) at the FT line.

Warriors now 60-14, and 200-38 in the Kerr era.

Fun fact: Slam Magazine projected them to go 44-38 after canning Mark Jackson. I'm no stat expert, but I think 200-38 is a bit better than that.

BigSoxFan · Mar 29, 2017

Blazers/Nuggets tonight

Nurkic: 33/16

Plumlee: 0/2

How do you like me now, Denver?

SoxFanInPdx · Mar 29, 2017

Since this Nurkic trade the Blazers are 13-6. POR's offensive rating in their last 15 games is 3rd in the league (112.4) and 8th in defensive rating (104.5). I love watching this team play in person and on tv, but if they do get the 8 seed..no way they don't get swept by GSW.

Brand Name · Mar 29, 2017

Sam Ray Not said:
Warriors now 60-14, and 200-38 in the Kerr era.

This is the fastest to 200 wins in any of the four major sports by the number of games played, which is to say, Kerr's mark to beat is 238. Debated where posting this, but since there's a post here on this front, given this crosses and transcends sports. Through original research, it breaks a 142(!) year old record by Harry Wright of the 1871-75 Boston Red Stockings, who did so in 263 games, on 7/21/1875, a 16-6 trouncing of the St. Louis Brown Stockings.

Granted, some of this has its spots in both cases, as you would expect in such a record. In Kerr's case, he gets those tasty Walton wins from last season, while Wright has the problems of both NA competition quality, or lack thereof, and the fact MLB won't recognize it as official (lifelong vehement personal disagreement), despite the fact this franchise still exists in its current iteration as the Atlanta Braves, as contrasted with a team like the Reds we know them today being the second version of the team.

DJnVa · Mar 29, 2017

Legler this morning said the Cavs remind him of what his HS coach once told his team: "You're not big, but you are slow." Said he's coming around a bit to the thought that they can be beat, especially if they are not the #1 seed, because then they have to play (in theory) both Washington and Boston.

Sox and Rocks · Mar 29, 2017

BigSoxFan said:
Blazers/Nuggets tonight

Nurkic: 33/16

Plumlee: 0/2

How do you like me now, Denver?

Didn't like the trade at the time, and I hate it even more now. The prevailing thought is that Nurkic and Jokic can't play together since their styles don't match, but it seems to me like they would compliment each other well since their skills are so different. Sadly, Malone never really tried to make it work in actual games.

moondog80 · Mar 29, 2017

Sox and Rocks said:
Didn't like the trade at the time, and I hate it even more now. The prevailing thought is that Nurkic and Jokic can't play together since their styles don't match, but it seems to me like they would compliment each other well since their skills are so different. Sadly, Malone never really tried to make it work in actual games.

Very bummed the Celtics didn't get on that. I'd have gladly given up Smart.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 29, 2017

SoxFanInPdx said:
Since this Nurkic trade the Blazers are 13-6. POR's offensive rating in their last 15 games is 3rd in the league (112.4) and 8th in defensive rating (104.5). I love watching this team play in person and on tv, but if they do get the 8 seed..no way they don't get swept by GSW.

Denver was 24-30 when the trade was made, have gone 11-9 since and now in the battle for the right to get swept by Golden State. Oh fun times.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 29, 2017

moondog80 said:
Very bummed the Celtics didn't get on that. I'd have gladly given up Smart.

Denver wasn't going to trade Nurkic without getting back a big to pair with Jokic and they are stockpiled at the 2 and combo guard position with Harris, Barton, and Murray. The only player we have that made sense to Denver was Zizic and Ainge wasn't going to give up 4 cost controlled years of such a high prospect for the right to pay Nurkic big money 3 years sooner.

ElUno20 · Mar 29, 2017

The Spurs love to come out and just kick you in the teeth to see if you're sharp for the night

Greg29fan · Mar 29, 2017

GSW only needs three TDs and they're right back in it

ElUno20 · Mar 29, 2017

It seems like the warriors always play the Spurs on the second night of a back to back.

ElUno20 · Mar 29, 2017

Greg29fan said:
GSW only needs three TDs and they're right back in it

It's still early but you can tell with the Spurs when they want to send a message. they came flying out the gate

Sam Ray Not · Mar 30, 2017

ElUno20 said:
It seems like the warriors always play the Spurs on the second night of a back to back.

Seems that way cos it's true. Their last SIX games in San Antonio have been SEGABABAs, with the Spurs rested in all cases. This when the league has supposed to have made a point of cutting down the "uneven segababas." Plus, you know, Warriors v. Spurs.

Meh. Warriors say "F U, Adam Silver." 110-98 after digging a 23-3 hole.

Best offense in the league. Best defense in the league. Durant replacing Pat McCaw next week.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

CJ McCollum has a very small chance to go .500/.400/.900 this year. He is currently at .488/.426/.910. If he averages his season totals, he'd have to go 88-144 .610 in the next 8 games.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

I know Portland has been crushing lately (13-5 since the all star break, 12-3 in last 15 games) but looking at the numbers since the all star break... As a team .488/.422/.753. 51.4% from 2.

Lilliard is averaging 29.4 on .485/.428/.860 shooting (8.1 3PA)
McCollum is scoring 23.1 on .502/.493/.950 (4.2 3pa)
Nurkic is at 15.1 on .502/---/.666
Crabbe 10.2 on .476/.447/.830. (4.2 3pa)
Aminu 8.5 on .467/.381/.630 (2.5 3pa)
Harkless 8.2 on .543/.346/.570 (1.4 3pa)
Vonlah .579/---/.630
Leonard .471/.382/.750 (1.9 3pa)

The first 3 have taken 60% of Portland's shots in those 19 games. They have 3 guys shooting over 42% from 3 who average 8.1, 4.2, and 4.2 attempts a game and another 2 who are shooting over 38% on 2.5 and 1.9 attempts. Nurkic's lack of range outside of 3 feet doesn't really affect Portland and allows him to get offensive rebounds and finding the open man to hit a 3. In his 19 games with Portland, he has assisted 39 3 pointers.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

Nets lead Detroit at the half 39-35 but the Lakers are currently tied with Minnesota 37-37 at the end of the 1st. 74 points in a half to 74 in a quarter. Cavs up 28-22 against the Bulls at the end of the first.

edit: Wolves 67 Lakers 60 at half. Nets up 63-59 after 3. Cavs up 50-41 at the half with Jimmy Butler's return in question.

The Social Chair · Mar 30, 2017

Pistons better not lose at home.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

Nets lose. Bulls up 75-70 vs the Cavs with a minute left in the 3rd, outscoring them 34-20 so far in the 3rd. Butler returned Lakers down 96-82 at the end of the 3rd.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

Bulls up 8 with 2:42 to go.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

Celtics back in first.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 30, 2017

Kliq said:
No way to watch this game and not think James is worn done by the season and the historic number of minutes he has played over the years.

LeBron played back-to-back nights last week and put up 32/11/9 and 24/11/8. Earlier in the month he had 3 triple-doubles in 4 games. He's put up 27/11/8 overall for the month of March. Did he just begin to get worn down tonight?

You have to understand that not all minutes are created equal.......LeBron likely exerts less energy in 40 minutes than someone who must hustle and scrap to keep up with the pace of the game in 30 minutes. Sitting out 10% of the Cavs games this year also is going to give him an extra 8-9 games off during the regular season and their are no back-to-back games in the playoffs.

ifmanis5 · Mar 30, 2017

10-loss month for LeBron in March. Last time he had a double digit loss month was Nov 2003 and he was 19 years old.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 30, 2017

It's also the Cavs 12th road game of the month which is a franchise record.

HomeRunBaker · Mar 30, 2017

bosox79 said:
It's also the Cavs 12th road game of the month which is a franchise record.

While incorporating 5 injured or newly acquired players into their 10-man rotation without any practice time.

Edit: That didn't sound right so I researched. The Cavs actually have played 10 road games this month.

Cesar Crespo · Mar 31, 2017

HomeRunBaker said:
While incorporating 5 injured or newly acquired players into their 10-man rotation without any practice time.

Edit: That didn't sound right so I researched. The Cavs actually have played 10 road games this month.

Count again. They've played 12. http://www.espn.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/cle

17 games in 31 days, 12 on the road. If anyone is going to bitch about scheduling, it's the Cavs.

Sam Ray Not · Mar 31, 2017

KD with Bill Simmons — always a good listen:

Sam Ray Not · Apr 1, 2017

Warriors hold a feisty Rockets squad to 13 points in the 4th quarter, win their 10th straight, 107-98.

In the past week and a half, Curry has significantly outplayed Harden (twice), Westbrook, and Leonard.

Iguodala has found either Tim Duncan's yoga instructor or LeBron's pharmacist and is playing the best ball of his career. He's been arguably the team's best player in the month since KD went down. And Draymond's ability to lock down 1-5 defensively continues to defy all laws of physics. He destroyed Harden tonight, and probably handed the MVP to Westbrook. (Though Harden's hand is clearly bothering him, and he really should be sitting).

And: JaVale McGee (13 pts, 5 blocks in 11 minutes) has been a revelation all year — basically this year's Barbosa/Speights, only stretched out and with a more useful skillset.

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