Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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Companies large and small pay reasonable money to "media train" a few key people who need it. It's not surprising that a company "run" by Cam Neely wouldn't do that. I don't listen to talk radio, but if this rundown is accurate, putting it all in Neely's lap seems accurate. The owner is a fanboy.
yeah, communications professionals probably would not have told Sweeney to say "PR made us hold the press conference [in the middle of the Pats parade]"
 

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Neely was nervous, easily confused by basic questions related to the optics of Julien's firing, and unconvincing about the "plan". He has no idea what he's doing. Scary and clueless. This franchise is seriously adrift.

I watched it on TV and also thought Felger did a nice job. Mazz' body language suggested he was scared to death sitting next to Neely.
The Jacobs and Neely are not capable and comfortable in the role of speaking on behalf of the team. Sweeney is a bright guy but comes across as condescending and his excuse on the timing of the announcement being recommended by the PR department is ridiculous, then fire the PR department head.

Felger did do a nice job with the interview. Mazz was terrified of Neely.
 

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I'm sure you guys are aware, but Neely used to do weekly interviews last year with F&M. Each week would get increasingly more uncomfortable and ended with Neely getting pissed and dropping an F-bomb on the air. Thursday's interview was the first this season.

The problem is that I think he takes the questions too personally. He needs to learn how to come up with standard corporate responses like Farrell does. Or he can just grunt and give limited answers like Belichick. But you get the sense Neely actually lost sleep fretting over the interviews.
His problem is that when he gets asked a hard question, which he should know is coming and be prepared for, he has no answers to them. Not in the normal give a non-answer filled with PR mumbo jumbo, but nothing to say at all. Instead he gets angry. And that is bad. Because it means he doesn't have many answers to the Bruins problems, and he's not smart enough to hide it, which means he's probably not smart enough to solve problems. That this guy could shove his way into the top role in a front office shows just how terrible the Jacobs are as owners. Are they just not asking him questions about this stuff (because they don't really care), or are they listening to his answers and thinking they are good?
 

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His problem is that when he gets asked a hard question, which he should know is coming and be prepared for, he has no answers to them. Not in the normal give a non-answer filled with PR mumbo jumbo, but nothing to say at all. Instead he gets angry. And that is bad. Because it means he doesn't have many answers to the Bruins problems, and he's not smart enough to hide it, which means he's probably not smart enough to solve problems. That this guy could shove his way into the top role in a front office shows just how terrible the Jacobs are as owners. Are they just not asking him questions about this stuff (because they don't really care), or are they listening to his answers and thinking they are good?
don't the Bruins have an Amanda Pflugrad type to do easy interviews on Bruins social/digital media? or some Facebook Live or Bruins.com softball interview?

also surprised NESN isn't in the mix to give Cam and Don easy interviews

if you can't find someone in Boston media to give you an easy interview, then you are real trouble
 

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did they promote the interview before or after the parade press conference firing nonsense?
 

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don't the Bruins have an Amanda Pflugrad type to do easy interviews on Bruins social/digital media? or some Facebook Live or Bruins.com softball interview?

also surprised NESN isn't in the mix to give Cam and Don easy interviews

if you can't find someone in Boston media to give you an easy interview, then you are real trouble
You can't do it just on team broadcasts, that doesn't count. If Belichick can do a weekly interview, there's no excuse the Coach, GM or President of the Bruins can't.
 

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You can't do it just on team broadcasts, that doesn't count. If Belichick can do a weekly interview, there's no excuse the Coach, GM or President of the Bruins can't.
which local journalist would give the Bruins a pain free interview: Joe Amorosino on Sports Extra? Steve Burton on Sports Final? Butch Sterns on Fox 25? (I exclude Mike Lynch from channel 5)
how about doing a fan chat on Twitter, and have your social media team pick the easiest questions?

I just find hockey ops' predicament laughable.
 

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Mazz ripping Mookie Betts for his 2-10 playoffs was an instant turnoff. Just brutal coverage.
 

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Yep Brutal. 'He struck out twice as much as he got hits". I did enjoy Felger calling him out for not mentioning AB's playoff stats.

Typical Mazz. The Sox will be 10 games up in June. On Pace for a 100 wins and he won't believe in them because "I don't know if they have any winners...lets see in October"

He's setting up his act for the summer.

The point is legit with Price though.
 

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Their discussion yesterday on the headcases on this years Sox team was a doozy.

First, they went through the pitchers
Price (needy, problem child)
Sale (the thing with the scissors and Adam Laroche, although Mazz said he likes that type of headcase)
Buchholz (Felger: Well, we're good there, he's gone)
Steven Wright and Eddie Rodriguez (mental cases and a little bit soft) Railed on Wright for being hurt so long
Pomeranz (Mazz says to not leave him out)
Joe Kelly (mental case)

Sandoval (Felger: he has a legitimate clinical disorder Eating disorders are no joke)
Hanley (total timebomb, lunatic)

And finally, when you think they are done, Mazz throws out Xander Bogaerts. Felger says really? Mazz says, "when he gets in a tailspin, there's not getting him out of it. I think he needs to be coddled a little bit. Just a little mental case, not a bad one"

Should've been on EEI. Listened today, and I agree that Keefe and Holley alone were really good.
 

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i watched on tuesday and other than the fact they need to appcite bill b and brady while they are here because they will be gone soon enough


i agree with 1 thing i want Montol B'S round 1
 

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Listening to them talk about basketball is somewhere between funny and painful.
They were doing it again last night for the little bit I listened. Forget about lstiening as a Celtic fan, as a fan of the game of basketball I find them ....I can't find a powerful enough pejorative. Fucking dreadful. Their disdain for the actual game is obvious so I'd prefer they not even bother.
 

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Their disdain for the actual game is obvious so I'd prefer they not even bother.
The "their" is much more Felger. He really hates basketball. Celtics talk won't be a major feature for their show until the playoffs. At that point, it'd be nice if they had on a basketball-Bedard to talk about what is happening on the court.
 
Agree with all the comments above. But at least Felger will come right out and say he doesn't like basketball and doesn't know it well. The other day he said it's "probably my fourth or fifth sport, knowledge wise". He's not afraid to ask Murray or Stewart about a player. Mazz, on the other hand, acts like a know it all when it's obvious he has no idea what he's talking about. In the past, they'd have Keefe and/or Brian Robb (who is great) sit in during the trade deadline, draft discussions or other important basketball events. Now it's just these two and they're absolutely clueless. It's embarrassing for the show and the station.
 

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Agree with all the comments above. But at least Felger will come right out and say he doesn't like basketball and doesn't know it well. The other day he said it's "probably my fourth or fifth sport, knowledge wise". He's not afraid to ask Murray or Stewart about a player. Mazz, on the other hand, acts like a know it all when it's obvious he has no idea what he's talking about. In the past, they'd have Keefe and/or Brian Robb (who is great) sit in during the trade deadline, draft discussions or other important basketball events. Now it's just these two and they're absolutely clueless. It's embarrassing for the show and the station.
Just yesterday Mazz said there was nobody available in trade that would help with defense and rebounding. Somebody mentioned Tyson Chandler, who had been mentioned on some websites as a possible target. Mazz said he didn't know enough about the player to say. He's been in the league for 15 years, you can't know something about the guy by now? Or even just say he's old, something like that. It's like they were talking about a second round draft pick who just started playing well for a non-playoff team. It was pretty classic.
 

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Mazz's choice to be "Don't Trade Jimmy For Nothin!" guy is gonna get really, really old by the time the draft rolls around.

The idea the Patriots should turn down a top 15 pick because "if you think he's the guy, I'd rather let him walk away for nothing than make a bad trade" is... migraine inducing. Horses, show ponies, you're right Mike, oh my.

At least T&R brought back Naughty Massarotti (sort of) this morning, which makes him a mite more tolerable in the afternoons.
 

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Holley and Keefe were so much better than F&M or Holley and Arnold this week. I listened to about 10 min of F&M and spent most of the week on Holley and Keefe.

More entertaining. Better topics and limited trolling.

Dale sucks and should be off for good.
 

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Way off topic but up until he passed a few years ago, I always thought the 'uncle dale' Dorman from the old school WLVI kids hours was dale arnold.

Back on topic, Mazz would not trade Jimmy G for any draft pick(s), period.
 

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Their discussion yesterday on the headcases on this years Sox team was a doozy.

First, they went through the pitchers
Price (needy, problem child)
Sale (the thing with the scissors and Adam Laroche, although Mazz said he likes that type of headcase)
Buchholz (Felger: Well, we're good there, he's gone)
Steven Wright and Eddie Rodriguez (mental cases and a little bit soft) Railed on Wright for being hurt so long
Pomeranz (Mazz says to not leave him out)
Joe Kelly (mental case)

Sandoval (Felger: he has a legitimate clinical disorder Eating disorders are no joke)
Hanley (total timebomb, lunatic)

And finally, when you think they are done, Mazz throws out Xander Bogaerts. Felger says really? Mazz says, "when he gets in a tailspin, there's not getting him out of it. I think he needs to be coddled a little bit. Just a little mental case, not a bad one"

Should've been on EEI. Listened today, and I agree that Keefe and Holley alone were really good.
People actually tune into this? His column on uconnwomen100 gamestreak was embarrassing for him. I didn't realize he was this ignorant and/orstupid on teams he actually watches
 

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Wow, these guys can't wait to run IT out of town. They are on crack cocaine if they think IT doesn't get a max contract. Just look at a list of max guys. And while it is no doubt true that Ainge will have tough decisions about roster building when Avery and IT are up in two years, this is a good problem to have -- IT outperforming expectations is a good thing.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I recognize by complaining about Felger and Mazz (and therefore watching them) I am validating their trolling strategy. I have made peace that I will sometimes watch, and then complain about these simpletons, even if I am falling for their trap.
 

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Mazz's choice to be "Don't Trade Jimmy For Nothin!" guy is gonna get really, really old by the time the draft rolls around.

The idea the Patriots should turn down a top 15 pick because "if you think he's the guy, I'd rather let him walk away for nothing than make a bad trade" is... migraine inducing. Horses, show ponies, you're right Mike, oh my.

At least T&R brought back Naughty Massarotti (sort of) this morning, which makes him a mite more tolerable in the afternoons.
I don't hate this take. If one thinks Brady may not perform well into his 40s (or even fears it),and if one thinks Jimmy G is a franchise QB, than trading a franchise QB for a middling first round pick is not an easy decision. Maybe we get a very good pass rusher with the Browns #12 pick, and have him for 5 years. But if Brady gets a serious injury in week 2 and never plays again, we just shipped Jimmy to Chicago and have to rely on Brissett?

All of this assumes BB thinks Jiimmy G is "the guy," and Brissett is not, but the eye test sure favors Jimmy by a long shot. I won't freak out if BB trades Jimmy (and if Mazz does that will be annoying) because I trust BB better knows 1) liklihood of Brady performing well into his 40s; 2) how good Jimmy is; 3) what the options are beyond Jimmy.

But I am not of the opinion that hanging on to Jimmy through 2017 is a bad idea. Franchise QB insurance is more valuable than one rookie, when your QB is 40. If it turns out Brady decides to retire earlier than expected, gets hurt etc... they will have Jimmy. If not, the options aren't terrible: franchise and trade him, as they did with Cassell (less of a return, but still something); a possible comp pick,or (less likely but not impossible) maybe Brady puts a date on his career and they can try and work on an orderly succession.

But the worst case if we trade Jimmy may be that we have no franchise QB. Worst case if we keep him? We get less compensation when he departs probably (because his value is less with the tag, or whatever his contribution to the comp pick formula.

Nothing is more important than the future @ QB. I get why people want to trade him. It will be fun to pick earlier in the draft (possibly) and Brady is playing so well that I find it plausible he beats the odds on his age. But I don't think valuing Jimmy G over a top 15 pick is an insane take.
 

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Agree with all the comments above. But at least Felger will come right out and say he doesn't like basketball and doesn't know it well. The other day he said it's "probably my fourth or fifth sport, knowledge wise". He's not afraid to ask Murray or Stewart about a player. Mazz, on the other hand, acts like a know it all when it's obvious he has no idea what he's talking about. In the past, they'd have Keefe and/or Brian Robb (who is great) sit in during the trade deadline, draft discussions or other important basketball events. Now it's just these two and they're absolutely clueless. It's embarrassing for the show and the station.
Yes, their lack of knowledge about baksetball is a major hole. Felger hasn't even quite figured out how the Bird Rule works (which he admits, but it is still a problem if they devote large segments to the Celtics). I don't follow the Bruins closely so a bigger hockey fan can tell me if I am wrong but it sounds like they watch it (or Felger does anyway).

. But if they talk about basketball for 10 minutes I will find myself correcting 4 or 5 things they say. Jim and Jimmy know more, but not nearly enough to compensate. This is a big problem during this stretch of the schedule. Football is over (and they hate the draft the way they hate the NBA), baseball is months away and the Bruins suck lemons. So what is a show to do?
 

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Holley and Keefe were so much better than F&M or Holley and Arnold this week. I listened to about 10 min of F&M and spent most of the week on Holley and Keefe.

More entertaining. Better topics and limited trolling.

Dale sucks and should be off for good.
Keefe and Holley were good this week. Dale is good on the Bruins pre and post game shows with Billy Jaffe but is terrible on the 2-6 show with his horribly annoying fake laughs.
 

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This is a big problem during this stretch of the schedule. Football is over (and they hate the draft the way they hate the NBA), baseball is months away and the Bruins suck lemons. So what is a show to do?
Felger basically laid that all out on air the other day. He's begging one of the winter teams to go on a meaningful run for the sake of the show.
 

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It's painful to listen to Mazz try to talk basketball and give his opinion on the Cousins trade.

Today Murray and Mazz had a great back and forth.

Mazz: AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT...COUSINS IS LAZY AND HE DOESN'T GET DOWN THE COURT TO PLAY DEFENSE. AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HE'S OUT OF SHAPE! HE'S FAT AND HAS TERRIBLE CONDITIONING!
Murray: Wait. You're now calling him fat and out of shape? I am getting so furious listening to you say all this. With all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about
Mazz:He's fat! That's why he he doesn't try!
Murray: ok I have to stop you. You think because you jumped on this weight program and you're thin now means you all of are an expert at people's weight?

It was great to hear, just for 30 seconds, someone actually push back on Mazz knowing nothing about basketball
 

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Around 5:30 I turned the show on and made it almost 5 minutes but then heard him and Jimmy Stewart making some sort of argument using Garnett and Horford. Then he was literally SCREAMING about how someone on a bad team has to score points.

Dale Holley and Keefe grabbed my attention and I think they will keep it for the immediate future.
 

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Around 5:30 I turned the show on and made it almost 5 minutes but then heard him and Jimmy Stewart making some sort of argument using Garnett and Horford. Then he was literally SCREAMING about how someone on a bad team has to score points.

Dale Holley and Keefe grabbed my attention and I think they will keep it for the immediate future.
The Horford/Garnett discussion was actually probably their highlight
 

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Jim Murray has become the worst part of the show. Tuned in to hear Wyc and what an obnoxious turd that guy has become. They screwed up badly choosing him over Keefe for that spot.
 

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Yeah, if you look objectively at the records of DA and Stevens, it is clear that that they should follow the advice of Maz and Murray.
 

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I wanted to put my car into a ditch every time I heard Murray's "gee golly I don't really want the mean player he may hurt my feelings...." shtick
 

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"At what point does last season end and this season begin? I'm on to 2017. It starts now"
--Mazz on the Pats.

What an asshat take on Hightower. They assume DH has a foot out the door because the Pats didn't tag him. Like there is no possibility that this is what both sides want.

Another awesome call by Carlton in Norwell. He thinks you can place a franchise tag on restricted free agents(which you can't) and F&M take his word for it and start to rant about Butler being paid.
 
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"At what point does last season end and this season begin? I'm on to 2017. It starts now"
--Mazz on the Pats.

What an asshat take on Hightower. They assume DH has a foot out the door because the Pats didn't tag him. Like there is no possibility that this is what both sides want.
What do you expect with these clowns? Felger and Mazz spent considerable amount of time in the week before the last Super Bowl wondering whether, if the Patriots won, would it be "worth it" because the league was garbage this year.

"Mike, I mean, is this really a 14-2 team? They beat up on bad teams during a down year, is this an all-time team? Doesn't feel like it!"

They also spent a lot of time wondering if the 2016 Pats "felt" like a 14-2 team. "I don't know Mike, I don't think these guys could beat the 1990 Giants or Niners. They're just not in the same class. That's all I'm saying."
 

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Can they just record Tony Mazz saying this and just use it as a drop, then fire Mazz?

"I would trade Jimmy for anyone or anything at all."

He must have said it 500 times today and 5,000,000 times over the last few months. Hot take Mazz!

Even hotter take: I'm no longer giving the Patriots for getting to the AFC Championship game because they're in it every year! It's all about Super Bowls!

I haven't listened to them for more than 2 breaks in a month or two, man it gets painful. I'm done, back to WEEI.
 
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Somebody should call them tomorrow with the news that the Jets have released Revis. (No, this IS the right thread.)
 

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Even hotter take: I'm no longer giving the Patriots for getting to the AFC Championship game because they're in it every year! It's all about Super Bowls!
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This was some amazing twisting, even for the show.

Mazz- "They only will get credit if they go to the AFC Championship game
Felger- "Well that is what they have done for the pretty much all of this run"
Mazz- "Yeah, and that's the reason why I can't give them any credit for it"

Back to KARS 4 KIDS
 

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I gotta admit, I love it when Felger bashes the sports minute.

"And here is Jim Rome talking about...well I'm sure some LA team because that's all he talks about"
"Next is the sports minute with...DOUG GOTTLIEB? Great, now our listeners get to hear his hot take on college basketball that no one in our listenership give a rat's ass about. But hey, let's listen to his insight on the Mac 10 NCAA!"
 
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Felger playing the act of Fan today bemoaning Pats using restricted FA leverage because " Butler's my favorite player" is absurd even for him.
 

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It took me over an hour of listening to realize they are just playing obnoxious Tony drops. I thought he was actually in. Thought it was strange that he said "WOW" like 5 different times after the Gilmore details were announced.