2017 Jimmy G: The Dilemma

Stitch01 · Sep 26, 2016

I think a $14MM dead money charge falls under the not particularly easy to move on from category, but YMMV.

You are right in the sense that they have a $15MM base salary they wouldn't have to pay him by moving on, but its going to leave a mark. Given they only saved $3MM in cap space over '16 and '17, I think the contract extension shows Brady is a pretty firm Plan A for '18 and beyond unless he really falls off a cliff.

simplyeric · Sep 26, 2016

The question in my mind is:

A. Does he 'fall off a cliff' and start the season and if so, how long does BB take to decide? Like, how training camp/pre-season leeway does he get? This is assuming that he plays well enough through this season (or through whatever season)

B. Does he fall off a cliff mid season (due to minor injuries or fatigue or whatever)? If so, how much leeway? Does TB start playoff games playing like Peyton last season?

Alternate versions of both: at what stage does Brady throw in the towel in either of those 'cliff' scenarios, or BB and TB agreeing on it, as opposed to BB benching TB against his will. I think TB, more than most, doesn't ever want to be the old codger stumbling through his last few games just because. But then again, maybe he won't full recognize it.

C. Big mid-season injury.

Thing is, of his contract ends but he's still playing well, they'll figure it out. I find it unlikely that they'd just allow TB to drift into retirement if he ends the previous season as 'Tom Brady' (and not Favre 3.0 or Peyton 2.0, and yes I know they were never as good as TB.).

Edit:guess I have to add: I know we've been talking about the scenario is, my point here is how many games does it take for them to decide?

joe dokes · Sep 26, 2016

simplyeric said:
Edit:guess I have to add: I know we've been talking about the scenario is, my point here is how many games does it take for them to decide?

There's a large caveat here in that Kraft may try to intercede with TB, but BB's history has been to move on from players "a year too soon," rather than "a year too late." Law, Milloy, Welker, Mankins, Wilfork, Seymour. I think most were reasonably productive for a short time after they left.

So I think the answer to the question is that the decision will be made (at least in BB's mind) before A or B happens. Players generally dont go over the cliff on BB's watch.

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Sep 26, 2016

The caveat you mentioned basically makes the rest of the comment meaningless. There is zero chance that the Patriots get rid of Brady before his game falls off, in anticipation of that happening. There is absolutely no way Kraft is signing off on that, especially after what the team has been through with DFG. And I don't think Belichick would want to do it either.

joe dokes · Sep 26, 2016

Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
The caveat you mentioned basically makes the rest of the comment meaningless. There is zero chance that the Patriots get rid of Brady before his game falls off, in anticipation of that happening. There is absolutely no way Kraft is signing off on that, especially after what the team has been through with DFG. And I don't think Belichick would want to do it either.

I think the chance is more than zero that Belichick will have a conversation with Kraft if he smells the cliff. (I suppose he's obligated to) But I agree that Belichick would not want to do it. I suspect Kraft's conciliatory leanings and the respect I think they all have for each other will win out and the end of TB here will be a negotiated end. (One small elephant in the room is whether the Kraft in this discussion will still be "R" and not "J." God willing, its the former. 75 isn't elderly, but it isn't young.)

Pxer · Sep 26, 2016

I don't forsee a TB12 cut in 2018, but it's pretty palatable if they designated him a post June cut as it would be 7mm in 18 and 7mm in 19. That's something you can absorb, especially if his replacement is making reasonable money.

Norm loves Vera · Dec 10, 2016

Lombardi speculating that the Patriots might trade Jimmy G to the Browns, who have 2 first and 2 second rounders in the upcoming draft.

"“I think Cleveland understands, [coach] Hue Jackson specifically understands he needs a quarterback. I think they’ll be very aggressive. I think Jimmy Garoppolo’s on top of their list, and I think they’ll go hard after him.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/10/former-browns-patriots-exec-sees-a-garoppolo-trade-to-cleveland/

BigSoxFan · Dec 10, 2016

Honestly makes a lot of sense for both sides if we're comfortable with Brissett's long term potential. Give me the Eagles pick and one of the 2nd rounders and I'll be happy.

tims4wins · Dec 10, 2016

BigSoxFan said:
Honestly makes a lot of sense for both sides if we're comfortable with Brissett's long term potential. Give me the Eagles pick and one of the 2nd rounders and I'll be happy.

I would hold out for slightly more. Eagles pick plus Browns 2018 first.

lexrageorge · Dec 10, 2016

The Pats have no incentive to sell low on Garoppolo. Cleveland seems like the perfect trading partner here. Maybe things will work out such that the Pats can use that game in Miami as a showcase for Jimmy G.

moondog80 · Dec 10, 2016

lexrageorge said:
The Pats have no incentive to sell low on Garoppolo. Cleveland seems like the perfect trading partner here. Maybe things will work out such that the Pats can use that game in Miami as a showcase for Jimmy G.

Why would it be selling low?

BigSoxFan · Dec 10, 2016

moondog80 said:
Why would it be selling low?

Yeah, top 12 or so pick plus another in the 30-45 range would be a nice return. Sure, maybe we can get a mid rounder added to replace the DFG theft.

leftfieldlegacy · Dec 10, 2016

lexrageorge said:
The Pats have no incentive to sell low on Garoppolo. Cleveland seems like the perfect trading partner here. Maybe things will work out such that the Pats can use that game in Miami as a showcase for Jimmy G.

Cleveland would be ideal. Lots of picks and a huge need at QB, but Jimmy G had his showcase at the beginning of the season and his current high value being talked about is based on those games. I think starting him in Miami has a smaller upside to add to his value than the downside if he plays poorly. If there is a consensus here that his current value would bring back the Brown's first round pick from the Eagles and the Browns second rounder, then I think you keep him on the bench and let his early season play be the last thing teams see of him.

dbn · Dec 10, 2016

I don't have a good feel for trade NFL markets. Is a QB with two career starts and only one year left on his contract really worth a first round pick plus?

bankshot1 · Dec 10, 2016

Maybe the desperation level of coming off a 0-16 (or maybe 1-15) season, a decade of losing records, not sniffing the post-season in 15 years, (2002) and no decent QBs coming out, might goose the market for JG in Cleveland.

a '17 and '18 #1s and Vontae Mack doesn't seem like a crazy asking price.

NortheasternPJ · Dec 10, 2016

Worst case scenario for the Browns is he's vastly better than the last QB they took in the first round.

I'd take a 1 and a 2 this year or two 1s in consecutive years. Seems like a win win for everyone, well except Jimmy who will be in Cleveland.

Super Nomario · Dec 10, 2016

dbn said:
I don't have a good feel for trade NFL markets. Is a QB with two career starts and only one year left on his contract really worth a first round pick plus?

Matt Schaub is a precedent. He was a former third round pick who had started two games in three seasons. Houston and Atlanta swapped first-rounders (only a shift from 8th to 10th) and Atlanta also netted two seconds. Garoppolo was a higher pick and has a better track record (Schaub completed 52.2% of passes with 6 TDs and 6 INTs).

It only takes one team to make the deal, so who knows. It might come down to the QB class, which is supposed to be bad, but maybe the Browns love Deshaun Watson or somebody.

It's also worth noting that they traded Mallett to Houston and Cassel to KC, both teams with NE connections. Detroit, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and Tennessee seem pretty set, but if O'Brien's ready to move on from Osweiler or McDaniels or Caserio go somewhere, Garoppolo makes sense.

E5 Yaz · Dec 10, 2016

dbn said:
I don't have a good feel for trade NFL markets. Is a QB with two career starts and only one year left on his contract really worth a first round pick plus?

This is precisely the issue. Those arguing for multiple first-rounders and such perhaps aren't weighing how much of a market there'll be for JG. If Cleveland is really serious about him -- and that's hard to verify, given Lombardi's relationship with the Patriots -- it's still possible the Browns might not have any challengers for this deal at a first-round level. If, in fact, even the Browns would offer a first-rounder.

JokersWildJIMED · Dec 10, 2016

Jimmy G looked all pro in his two starts (especially) Miami...the injury could complicate evaluation regarding future durability. Given Cleveland's draft status their latter first rounder plus a third sounds right...Chicago could offer more depending on their coaching situation

bankshot1 · Dec 10, 2016

How about the 49ers as a trade partner?

They suck, have no QB, (Kap and Gabbert) and BB and Chip are tight.

Kenny F'ing Powers · Dec 10, 2016

norm from cheers said:
Lombardi speculating that the Patriots might trade Jimmy G to the Browns, who have 2 first and 2 second rounders in the upcoming draft.

"“I think Cleveland understands, [coach] Hue Jackson specifically understands he needs a quarterback. I think they’ll be very aggressive. I think Jimmy Garoppolo’s on top of their list, and I think they’ll go hard after him.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/10/former-browns-patriots-exec-sees-a-garoppolo-trade-to-cleveland/

They should just sign Cousins. Washington will franchise him, and the Browns can afford the two draft picks. Cousins is proven. JG samples size is tiny.

McBride11 · Dec 10, 2016

While we're speculating, just do Cleve's #1 for JG. Overall 1s take QBs all the time, his contract is shorter but his track record is better (see Leaf, Russell, etc).

Plus Goodell's head exploding as a bonus.

NortheasternPJ · Dec 10, 2016

Kenny F'ing Powers said:
They should just sign Cousins. Washington will franchise him, and the Browns can afford the two draft picks. Cousins is proven. JG samples size is tiny.

If you're Cousins, it's going to take a shit ton of money for him to sign in Cleveland, if he'll go there at all. They'd have to guarantee a huge portion of that contract. They'd have to guarantee $50-70 million most likely. Cousins has shown he's willing to gamble on himself. The guarantee has to be more than the next 2 years of franchise tag which his somewhere around 42 million?

Papelbon's Poutine · Dec 10, 2016

NortheasternPJ said:
If you're Cousins, it's going to take a shit ton of money for him to sign in Cleveland, if he'll go there at all. They'd have to guarantee a huge portion of that contract. They'd have to guarantee $50-70 million most likely. Cousins has shown he's willing to gamble on himself. The guarantee has to be more than the next 2 years of franchise tag which his somewhere around 42 million?

2106 the franchise number for QBs was $19.5. 120% of that would be $23.4M for 2017. 2018 would be $28.8M. So more like $51, but that's assuming Washington would go that route and again use non-exclusive tags to start talking about if Cleveland could/would be able to offer enough.

As to JG, I think if they offered the Eagles pick and their own second, you take it and don't look back. Probably for the Tennessee pick as well. The team has some restocking to do on the defensive side of the ball and those picks could come in very handy, either by selecting or trading back for more.

Edit: To expand on the overall discussion of trading JG, I would imagine that the idea played a part in bringing Brissett back from IR. They get another couple months of him practicing with the team to see if they're confident enough in him to be the backup next season.

axx · Dec 10, 2016

Kenny F'ing Powers said:
They should just sign Cousins. Washington will franchise him, and the Browns can afford the two draft picks. Cousins is proven. JG samples size is tiny.

Seems to me that the Browns badly need talent everywhere, not just at QB. Spending 2 firsts on Cousins doesn't seem like a good idea, nor the Eagles pick plus their second. Plus I don't think Cousins would sign there, I think Jimmy would okay an extension. I even think they would want a pick back plus the QB if it's going to take one of their firsts or their second.

This is tough. I think BB wants to keep Jimmy too unless he gets a nice haul so it may not work out.

Bunt4aTriple · Dec 10, 2016

Would either team balk at swapping firsts for Jimmy? Lock in the QB and have 4 picks in the first two rounds?

Kenny F'ing Powers · Dec 10, 2016

axx said:
Seems to me that the Browns badly need talent everywhere, not just at QB. Spending 2 firsts on Cousins doesn't seem like a good idea, nor the Eagles pick plus their second. Plus I don't think Cousins would sign there, I think Jimmy would okay an extension. I even think they would want a pick back plus the QB if it's going to take one of their firsts or their second.

This is tough. I think BB wants to keep Jimmy too unless he gets a nice haul so it may not work out.

You need a QB in this league to compete. Period. You don't need to look further then the Jaguars - who have solid talent everywhere BUT QB - to verify this.

Start with the QB and worry about the rest later.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Dec 10, 2016

JokersWildJIMED said:
Jimmy G looked all pro in his two starts (especially) Miami...the injury could complicate evaluation regarding future durability. Given Cleveland's draft status their latter first rounder plus a third sounds right...Chicago could offer more depending on their coaching situation

I still think McDaniels and Garoppolo both end up in Chicago next year. Ryan Pace, the Bears GM, went to the same school as Garoppolo and (according to this blog) liked Jimmy G coming out of college. At the time Pace was the New Orleans Director of Scouting (ironically working under Sean Payton - another Eastern Illinois alum).

I bet they fire Fox, hire McDaniels and trade for Garoppolo. That gives them a hot, young coach and QB who both have a ton of experience in the same system. It makes too much sense.

And one added marketing bonus for the Bears...Garoppolo grew up 25 miles northwest of Chicago. He's a local kid.

By the way, right now the Bears have the fourth overall pick.

Royal Reader · Dec 10, 2016

Getting serious trade Mallet for a first deja vu here.

I can maybe see the Eagles pick alone, but the Brown's own second, maaaaybe with a midrounder attached, seems much more likely than Eagles pick plus. Cassel, after all, yielded just the second with a full (ish) season under his belt and requiring an immediate extension. JG looked better than Cassel, but in a much smaller sample.

Just looked at a backup QB ranking from pre 2015 - he was fourth, but the guy ahead of him was Fitz and the guy behind was Zach Mettenberger. Is there a case of anyone getting first plus for a backup? Biggest hauls I can think of is second plus player for Kolb and Atlanta getting 19th overall for Favre. Philly is currently positioned to pick 8-10. Even assuming a modest improvement - there's a lot of six win teams they could pass - does anyone really think a) NE would pass on, say, 15 overall, or that b) any non-Cleveland team would offer more?

Papelbon's Poutine · Dec 10, 2016

BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
I still think McDaniels and Garoppolo both end up in Chicago next year. Ryan Pace, the Bears GM, went to the same school as Garoppolo and (according to this blog) liked Jimmy G coming out of college. At the time Pace was the New Orleans Director of Scouting (ironically working under Sean Payton - another Eastern Illinois alum).

I bet they fire Fox, hire McDaniels and trade for Garoppolo. That gives them a hot, young coach and QB who both have a ton of experience in the same system. It makes too much sense.

And one added marketing bonus for the Bears...Garoppolo grew up 25 miles northwest of Chicago. He's a local kid.

By the way, right now the Bears have the fourth overall pick.

This is all certainly viable (thought I don't think the Bears would give up a top 5 pick), but I don't think McDaniels is going anywhere. I fall into the camp that he is heir apparent and happy with that. If he goes to the Bears and fails again his career is over as a head coach.

ilol@u · Dec 11, 2016

This is going to be like Matt Cassel all over again. After all, a QB making his first career starts and going 11-5 should net a first rounder at least? I don't think Jimmy G will get more than a 3rd. He only has two career starts and crazy SSS.

InstaFace · Dec 11, 2016

Papelbon's Poutine said:
This is all certainly viable (thought I don't think the Bears would give up a top 5 pick), but I don't think McDaniels is going anywhere. I fall into the camp that he is heir apparent and happy with that. If he goes to the Bears and fails again his career is over as a head coach.

While I agree with your logic, Josh McDaniels seemingly doesn't.

“I’m aware of the report [that he is intent on staying in Foxboro until Belichick retires], and I’ll try to clear that up. Look, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I definitely would love to be a head coach again. There are only 32 of those in the world. They are opportunities that don’t come around very often, and if you would ever be so fortunate and blessed to have another opportunity to do it -- for myself, it would be a second time -- that would be an opportunity I would look forward to,” he said.

“It would have to be at the right place and the right time, which is what I’ve always said. I try to make good decisions, what’s best for my family and myself. Again, somebody would have to offer that opportunity because you’re lucky if you get that. That’s my mindset, and anything that was reported about my thinking or my plans or the things that I want to do -- the other day I saw that; those things I would say are unfounded.

“That being said, that’s all I’ll say about it. I love being here, I’m excited to get to work on the Jets, and look forward to practicing with our guys.”

I hope that means Belichick plans on coaching until he's called up to a higher league, but either way that's about as emphatic as McDaniels could be on the subject without insulting his current franchise.

singaporesoxfan · Dec 11, 2016

BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
I still think McDaniels and Garoppolo both end up in Chicago next year. Ryan Pace, the Bears GM, went to the same school as Garoppolo and (according to this blog) liked Jimmy G coming out of college. At the time Pace was the New Orleans Director of Scouting (ironically working under Sean Payton - another Eastern Illinois alum).

I bet they fire Fox, hire McDaniels and trade for Garoppolo. That gives them a hot, young coach and QB who both have a ton of experience in the same system. It makes too much sense.

And one added marketing bonus for the Bears...Garoppolo grew up 25 miles northwest of Chicago. He's a local kid.

By the way, right now the Bears have the fourth overall pick.

If the Bears want a QB from Eastern Illinois that's relatively local (though probably in Packers territory), they could also get Tony Romo, who grew up in Wisconsin just across the border.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Dec 11, 2016

ilol@u said:
This is going to be like Matt Cassel all over again. After all, a QB making his first career starts and going 11-5 should net a first rounder at least? I don't think Jimmy G will get more than a 3rd. He only has two career starts and crazy SSS.

You could be right but you have to remember that Garoppolo was a legit NFL prospect coming out of college. Mayock projected him as a 2nd round pick. I get that he played in the Ohio Valley Conference but he was still a standout college QB taken at 62 overall. Cassel on the other hand went number 230 in the draft and was never expected to make an NFL team. Yes, he went 11-5 when he got his opportunity but that offense was loaded, coming off a near perfect season. As good as Cassel played at times he looked lost quite often against better competition. He averaged under 140 yards a game passing against the Chargers, Broncos, Steelers and Bills (quality defenses). It was only 12 months earlier when Brady threw for nearly 5000 yards.

So maybe we're being too optimistic but I'd be shocked if the return isn't higher than Cassel. And again, if McDaniels goes to Chicago and vouches for Jimmy, that just increases his value.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Dec 11, 2016

singaporesoxfan said:
If the Bears want a QB from Eastern Illinois that's relatively local (though probably in Packers territory), they could also get Tony Romo, who grew up in Wisconsin just across the border.

Tony Romo will be 37 years old before training camp next season and will have (most likely) started just four games in the previous two seasons. For a team looking to rebuild, I doubt Romo is their best option.

Reggie's Racquet · Dec 11, 2016

Schefter speculation this morning. Jimmy G. is mentioned.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18253765/cleveland-browns-astronomical-grade-myles-garrett-texas-aggies-possible-no-1-pick

staz · Dec 28, 2016

So Schefter set the bar at a 1st and 4th, then wondered if even that was enough for the Patriots to do it.

Which it rightfully is not.

snowmanny · Dec 28, 2016

Yeah. I want the 1st, the 4th, the 2nd that was spent on Jimmy G in the first place, and whatever draft pick is worth a million dollars. Then we can call it even.

Papelbon's Poutine · Dec 28, 2016

Except if it's the Philly pick from Cleveland - or an equally higher pick - it's worth all four of those things.

Edit: which is to say nothing of the fact them trading him has nothing to do with 'being even'.

Marciano490 · Dec 28, 2016

And maybe Gooddell's head on a silver platter?

mwonow · Dec 28, 2016

To be fair, I'd settle for Goodell's head without the platter. Tucked into John Mara's sheet's, maybe?

Um...plus the 1, 4 etc. No need for this to be strictly personal!

dbn · Dec 29, 2016

mwonow said:
To be fair, I'd settle for Goodell's head without the platter. Tucked into John Mara's sheet's, maybe?

Um...plus the 1, 4 etc. No need for this to be strictly personal!

sodenj5 · Dec 29, 2016

You guys have all drank the kool aid on Jimmy. Know who else had 6 quarters of elite play? Basically every single QB to enter the league ever at some point in their career. Jimmy G also has at LEAST, if not more, bad to mediocre game tape from preseason games and whenever else he played.

Matt Moore didn't play for 5 years and then threw 4 TDs in his first game. You guys are geatly overvaluing your backup QB, and if anyone gives up anything greater than a second rounder, they should be taken out back and shot.

TheoShmeo · Dec 29, 2016

How many guys played as well as Jimmy G over their first 6 quarters as a starter? I mean, you're right, most QBs have strung together 6 consecutive quarters of elite play. That Jimmy did it out of the gate, and under the pressure of replacing a legend in the context of the DG hysteria and media blitz, justifies some optimism about him, in my view. And you're really going to evaluate him based on exhibition tape? You must appreciate that he was often playing with (and against) second and third stringers, and guys who never made the NFL, and that offenses are often bland in the pre-season. That seems like a slender reed on which to build an argument.

I'm not sure what Jimmy is worth. Nor do I care much. My calculus is that QB is the most important position in football, if not all North American pro sports, Tom is not young, despite his elite play and all appearances to the contrary, all QBs get hurt, Jimmy has shown that there's at least the chance that he's a special talent and, as a result of all that, the Pats should forego the potential trade dividend and keep the insurance.

rodderick · Dec 29, 2016

sodenj5 said:
You guys have all drank the kool aid on Jimmy. Know who else had 6 quarters of elite play? Basically every single QB to enter the league ever at some point in their career. Jimmy G also has at LEAST, if not more, bad to mediocre game tape from preseason games and whenever else he played.

Matt Moore didn't play for 5 years and then threw 4 TDs in his first game. You guys are geatly overvaluing your backup QB, and if anyone gives up anything greater than a second rounder, they should be taken out back and shot.

Yeah, and if Moore was 25 and that was the first start of his career, you better believe people would come calling the Dolphins and speculation about his trade value would be rampant. This comparison makes zero sense.

Ed Hillel · Dec 29, 2016

sodenj5 said:
You guys have all drank the kool aid on Jimmy. Know who else had 6 quarters of elite play? Basically every single QB to enter the league ever at some point in their career. Jimmy G also has at LEAST, if not more, bad to mediocre game tape from preseason games and whenever else he played.

Matt Moore didn't play for 5 years and then threw 4 TDs in his first game. You guys are geatly overvaluing your backup QB, and if anyone gives up anything greater than a second rounder, they should be taken out back and shot.

Feel free to make a case for a better option at the QB position for the next 5-7 who will be available this offseason, including draft, than Jimmy G. My guess is that Jimmy is going to be willing to take a deal that pays him slightly more over the next 4-5 years than a top flight first round pick, so why wouldn't a team in need of a QB take a shot at a guy who was highly recruited out of college, has shown skills, is still young, and can be had relatively cheap? It's either take that risk, draft one of the college QBs in the first (none of which are thought of very highly), hope they fall to the second, or just don't address the future of thr e QB position moving forward. For a team like the Browns, in QB purgatory and with tons of draft assets, why not?

On the other hand, if you're the Pats, you don't trade him for a second or worse imo. He has too much value as a backup for next season and as long-term insurance should something happen with Brady in 2017.

I'm still thinking we see a trade happen, but for a 2018 first rounder and maybe a mid-round pick in 2017 (3rd?). A team can get a potential franchise QB and sell to their fanbase they will improve in 2017. It makes a lot of sense for a team like Cleveland, who could be competitive with league average QB play and all the assets they have.

Curt S Loew · Dec 29, 2016

sodenj5 said:
You guys have all drank the kool aid on Jimmy. Know who else had 6 quarters of elite play? Basically every single QB to enter the league ever at some point in their career. Jimmy G also has at LEAST, if not more, bad to mediocre game tape from preseason games and whenever else he played.

Matt Moore didn't play for 5 years and then threw 4 TDs in his first game. You guys are geatly overvaluing your backup QB, and if anyone gives up anything greater than a second rounder, they should be taken out back and shot.

Every time people start talking about Jimmy G, some teal guy gotta pull Matt Moore out his ass.

Thetoddwalker · Dec 29, 2016

Curt S Loew said:
Every time people start talking about Jimmy G, some teal guy gotta pull Matt Moore out his ass.

He's still impressed by those Cleo Lemon preseason snaps.

Super Nomario · Dec 29, 2016

sodenj5 said:
You guys have all drank the kool aid on Jimmy. Know who else had 6 quarters of elite play? Basically every single QB to enter the league ever at some point in their career. Jimmy G also has at LEAST, if not more, bad to mediocre game tape from preseason games and whenever else he played.

This isn't really accurate - Garoppolo did not have a good 2016 preseason, but he was good in the 2014 and 2015 preseasons. His total preseason line is 67% completion, 8 TD / 3 INT, and 7.4 YPA. And he has very little gametape other than this season.

sodenj5 said:
Matt Moore didn't play for 5 years and then threw 4 TDs in his first game. You guys are geatly overvaluing your backup QB, and if anyone gives up anything greater than a second rounder, they should be taken out back and shot.

Moore has always been pretty good at throwing touchdowns (4.3 TD% even before this season). His problem is he's inaccurate (sub-60% completion for his career) and throws too many picks (30 in 27 starts). Neither of those appear to be issues for Garoppolo, though as you note it's a small sample size.

I think Garoppolo's value is depressed because there's an unusual amount of QB talent available this offseason. There are a couple draft guys, and some teams are going to value the ability to mold Watson / Trubisky / Kizer and the four / five years of control there. Romo, Cutler, Tyrod Taylor, and Bradford / Bridgewater might change teams, and they are better than the Fitzpatricks / Matt Moores usually available. Add in guys like Kaepernick and Mike Glennon and there is some surprising talent out there. Is a team going to give up a first-round pick for Garoppolo when they might be able to sign Cutler or Romo for just money?

To give up a first or high second for Garoppolo, it's probably going to have to be a team that loved him in pre-draft. The obvious solution would be if McDaniels get a gig and wants to bring someone who already knows his system. Otherwise it's going to come down to whether teams like Garoppolo more than Watson or Trubisky or whatever. Osweiler is kind of a cautionary tale here.

lostjumper · Dec 29, 2016

Yesterday Todd McShay said he didn't have a single QB with a first round grade in the draft right now. This could be a historically bad draft from QB's. If your team needs a new QB, your options are limited. This couldn't be playing out any better for the Pats right now.

2017 Jimmy G: The Dilemma

Do we keep JG as the successor?

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We keep him for the life of his contract, If it works out it works out.

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Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 2" asset this off season

Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 3" asset this off season

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Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 2+" asset this off season

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