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I don't even know who this Elliot guy is but he is very confident in his bjj and he has a very old school style
 

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Apparently Dana has offered Cyborg two different title fights at 145, but was turned down. Cyborg said she didn't have enough time to make weight. One fight was 8 weeks out, the other 10, I think.

Does that sound legit, or is there something elsee going on beyond weight? Money maybe? UFC being willing to establish a new women's weight class at 145 seems like a big deal.
 

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In this new era of making weight in the UFC, it might be. She's usually walking around 170ish.
 

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Apparently Dana has offered Cyborg two different title fights at 145, but was turned down. Cyborg said she didn't have enough time to make weight. One fight was 8 weeks out, the other 10, I think.

Does that sound legit, or is there something elsee going on beyond weight? Money maybe? UFC being willing to establish a new women's weight class at 145 seems like a big deal.
I saw that too and my first instinct was not to trust PropaganDana, but maybe I'm just cynical. With Ronda coming back I guess they need to slag Cyborg again.
 

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Hmm. Always possible with White, I suppose. My first thought was that talk of a 145 division was an acknowledgement that Rhonda is almost done, one way or another. If Rousey follows Tate out the door, anchoring a new division with Cyborg makes more sense, assuming there is any chance of finding enough 145 talent to stock it.
 

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I think this is a rare case where both sides sound pretty honest. I think if they did an Ultimate Fighter for women's featherweight, with the winner fighting Cyborg, I think it would be a good season and maybe an interesting fight. I stayed away from the show for years but this last season had a title shot for the winner and was more interesting than normal. And the 125 title fight last weekend was a decent fight. On the men's side Mighty Mouse is as close to dominant as Cyborg as you'll find.
 

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Anyone listen to Rogan's podcast with Jon Jones? To no one's surprise, JBJ comes across as disingenuous, narcissistic, and pretty much all around douche bag.
I'm a pretty loyal listener of Rogan, and I had to shut it off. I agree with much of your assessment, but mostly he sounded really, really...really dumb.
 

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I'm a pretty loyal listener of Rogan, and I had to shut it off. I agree with much of your assessment, but mostly he sounded really, really...really dumb.
I listened to the first half with my wife. We agreed that taking a break from binge drinking and heavy pot smoking isn't addressing whatever causes him to do stupid shit.

His narcissism was stifling when discussing how changing his habits has made him feel better and think clearer. No mention of how he might be a better husband or father now - just his workouts are sharper than ever.

I hope he's learned to make sure the other person in a car accident is OK before he tries to clear his car of pot pipes.
 
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I'm left guessing that Dana would look a lot more favorably on the concept of building a division around Cyborg if she wasn't such a high risk to undermine most of the effort by going on to fail a PED test. Plus even if she didn't get caught that is an awful big spot light being put on it's use in the sport.

She is also no where near as widely marketable as Rhonda is/was.
 

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UFC starting women's 145
Which brings their title count to 11. It's too many since I don't care about watching half the champions fight. If Cruz and Aldo had a super fight, I'd watch, but more often than not I don't care to watch them defend their belts (Same is true of Johnson). My interest in the women's division begins and ends with Rousey. I want to see her take on Holm or Cyborg in 2017 and that's about it.
 

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I get why people only follow big names, but I like good fights, and if this means there's more of them than great. Like, 206 had a lot of big names drop out, and UFC royally fucking up by not getting GSP on the card, and it still ended up having great fights. I caught it after the fact, but Cub Swanson-Doo Ho Choi is a fight of the year candidate.
 

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Ok, I want to see the Karate Hottie fight Johanna Violence. Potentially enough striking skill and danger to keep JJ from punching her into oblivion, and clearly superior grappling skills that could threaten the champ.
 

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Ok, I want to see the Karate Hottie fight Johanna Violence. Potentially enough striking skill and danger to keep JJ from punching her into oblivion, and clearly superior grappling skills that could threaten the champ.
I think I'd like to see her fight Claudia G. first to get a better sense of how good she is. Waterson is fun to watch, but I could see JJ's size/reach advantage + takedown defense + movement all being too much for Waterson.

I think that fight would show us how dangerous a three inch reach advantage can really be. Without knowing or seeing more from Waterson, I think JJ would pick her apart bloody piece by piece.
 

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You are probably right.

Rose N. is asking for Waterson next, that is a great fight to see who gets the next shot at JV. I would never bet against Ms. Violence, but both of those fighters are skilled and diverse enough to give her an interesting challenge. The straw weight division is pretty fun and entertaining. It has a dominant champ and several very fun to watch contenders
 

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Yeah, I agree. That would be an interesting fight with two fighters of divergent styles. I don't really like seeing a fighter who had a long layoff get a title shot after just one fight, unless it's someone like Dominick Cruz or GSP.
 

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Ronda's the favorite in this fight? Any reason why I shouldn't put a ton on Nunes at +110?
 

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Ronda's the favorite in this fight? Any reason why I shouldn't put a ton on Nunes at +110?
This is a really tough one because nobody really knows what to expect out of Ronda. Is the fact that she took so much time off a sign that she's permanently shaken? Or did she really use that time to get right mentally and better prepare herself for another world class striker? She has been working with the Diaz brothers' trainer.

The line likely has a lot to do with Ronda's celebrity, but she actually opened as a much larger favorite (-180 vs. -140 today). A lot of analysts who look past the mental aspect like the fight for Ronda stylistically. Nunes pushes the action early, which Ronda likes, and it could expose herself to getting dropped in a clinch. She has a reputation for gassing quickly as well, so a lot of people who are picking Nunes like her early or not at all. People who pick Ronda are hoping she's right in the head and has learned to fight her fight instead of trying to stand toe-to-toe with an excellent striker.

I have no idea. I picked Ronda (I was able to bet her when her line briefly dipped to -130 last week) but that decision was based more on my heart than anything else. I know I'm in the minority in this thread, but I have a soft spot for her. It's going to be an interesting fight, that's for sure.
 

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I like Nunes on paper but there is just too much overall uncertainty with how that fight might go. Like Holm before her I would still need to see Nunes shine again under the brightest lights before I'm completely buying in to her being a killer.
 

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But isn't that the dude who's pretty wah wah about her dating Matt Brown or whatever that lanky schmuck's name is?
Yea but I don't know that he's butt hurt over it. Brendan Schaub is a much better MMA commentator than he was a fighter.

Ronda is a big chick and she can't move like Nunes can, she can't strike like she can, and I'm betting Nunes can defend Ronda's telegraphed judo throws. Ring rust is real and I'd put my house on Nunes.*




* I don't actually have a house.
 

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I'm all for betting on Nunes, I just question any dude talking about his ex's mental problems, though with Rousey there's a lot of smoke around her being really off since the knockout.
 

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Regardless of his relationship history with Ronda, I think all of comments in that video are fair. But it's one man generalizing based on how he thinks all humans should react. Maybe he's right - maybe she's scared and doesn't have the mental strenght and/or desire to comeback from a fight like that. Or maybe the same competitive juices that led her to be an Olympian and an undefeated pioneer in a woman's sport got flowing and she's more determined than ever.

If she's thinking, "God please let me win this one fight so I can restore my legacy and retire to a safe career in entertainment", she's probably fucked.
 

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Obviously, he'd taken an L here or there, but what's the difference between her mindset and McGregor's? You really can't ever tell how anyone is going to react coming off a loss of any kind, and a knockout is a whole different layer of psychological pressure.
 

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Ariel Helwani tweeted that Dana White confirmed it. It'll be a change. I hope Jon Anik makes the step up, he seems like a good dude.
I don't see Anik being the face of a dream team.

I know White is acting like this is his idea, but this is another change that is making me think that White is no longer as powerful as he once was.
 

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Obviously, he'd taken an L here or there, but what's the difference between her mindset and McGregor's? You really can't ever tell how anyone is going to react coming off a loss of any kind, and a knockout is a whole different layer of psychological pressure.
Right. I was sort of agreeing with you in saying that it was his opinion and that his generalization might be misguided. But it's certainly a perspective that a lot of people share.
 

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I like Nunes on paper but there is just too much overall uncertainty with how that fight might go. Like Holm before her I would still need to see Nunes shine again under the brightest lights before I'm completely buying in to her being a killer.
Isn't uncertainty what the whole 135 pound women's division is?

Yea but I don't know that he's butt hurt over it. Brendan Schaub is a much better MMA commentator than he was a fighter.

Ronda is a big chick and she can't move like Nunes can, she can't strike like she can, and I'm betting Nunes can defend Ronda's telegraphed judo throws. Ring rust is real and I'd put my house on Nunes.*




* I don't actually have a house.
Yeah this is probably right. I just don't have any faith in the Ronda camp's ability to adjust to anything. Going in I have to assume her training and plan is total shit.

I'm all for betting on Nunes, I just question any dude talking about his ex's mental problems, though with Rousey there's a lot of smoke around her being really off since the knockout.
He's not just any dude though. He's a public figure and one of the biggest voices in MMA media. Is he supposed to not talk about Ronda?
 

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nickname Kevin Gastelum LOL

Hendricks could move up to 185 and probably would bring his power up, and it's a less stacked division. The big problem is everyone at 185 has 3 inches on him or more.
 

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Hendricks misses weight again. What a steep decline.

@Marciano It looks like the line in moving towards Ronda post weigh in
So how does this work? Is the fight cancelled, or can he weigh in again later? Obviously, that would be a huge disadvantage as he should be trying to recover at this point. And if it's cancelled, is it considered a forfeit/loss or did it never happen?
 

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IIRC, They can only fight if they weigh-in within 7 pounds of each other, and the guy who made weight can still turn it down. If they are within 7 pounds and the fight goes on, the guy missing weight forfeits a percentage of his payout to his opponent, something like 20%, and also can't get any bonuses (Fight of the night, etc). If they aren't within 7 pounds, or if the other guy turns it down, then the fight is scrapped; the guy making weight still gets paid and the guy missing weight doesn't. The fight isn't counted anywhere.
 

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So how does this work? Is the fight cancelled, or can he weigh in again later? Obviously, that would be a huge disadvantage as he should be trying to recover at this point. And if it's cancelled, is it considered a forfeit/loss or did it never happen?
Nah. If it's being reported that he missed weight it's because he missed weight. Meaning the "weigh ins" you're gonna see in an hour or two aren't really the official weigh ins. Those are done earlier in the day so we don't have to see skeletors face off and almost pass out because they clenched a fist.

edit: Here is the real weigh in.
 

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IIRC, They can only fight if they weigh-in within 7 pounds of each other, and the guy who made weight can still turn it down. If they are within 7 pounds and the fight goes on, the guy missing weight forfeits a percentage of his payout to his opponent, something like 20%, and also can't get any bonuses (Fight of the night, etc). If they aren't within 7 pounds, or if the other guy turns it down, then the fight is scrapped; the guy making weight still gets paid and the guy missing weight doesn't. The fight isn't counted anywhere.
Thanks for the thorough answer!
 

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I'm in big on:
Rousey
Cruz
Magny

Smaller bets on:
Dillashaw
Borg
Garcia (win)
Thatch (loss)

A few parlays and props thrown in for good measure.
 
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