AFC Playoffs into December
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I didn't know that about the Raiders field. Been there for many baseball games and I guess taking an escalator up and then walking down to seats you don't realize it. I would be more afraid of the ghosts of the mad stork Ted Hendricks, Dave Casper, Otis Sistrunk and most of all, Ben Dreith. Brady and company have played in plenty of shitty weather and fields over the years. Keeping an eye on Raiders home games though for field conditions from now on.
I still can't believe Brady survived that cheap shot when he got hit in the helmet on that play. Can't believe they didn't call it."Oh noes! Snow!"
Haha, this is a great narrative when it comes to combating the Tuck Rule, but the matter of fact is the refs did not call it the same in 2001. Think the hit to Warner's head on the pick-6.
What, you think that something illegal happened and they put it on the cover of SI?
That hit is 100% legal because it fits my narrative.
That picture caused a jarring flashback to remembering when the Patriots had a good defense It's been a while.
Like "P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney" style flashback.
Like "P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney" style flashback.
That photo isn't from the pick-6. Vrabel put the pressure eon and hit Warner in the helmet on Law's INT.
Good catch. It's been too long since watching America's Game or that 3 Games to Glory. Too many hits to the head to keep track of!
2001 Patriots: 24th ranked defense - 335 yards/game, 6th ranked scoring defense - 17.0 points per game
2016 Patriots: 14th ranked defense - 353 yards/game, 3rd ranked scoring defense - 17.9 points per game
Misty water-colored memories or not as bad as we think?
Wait a minute, doesn't this prove the Pats don't play well in snow, not the Raiders? After all, it was Brady who fumbled the game away."Oh noes! Snow!"
Probably a little of both.
Thanks for posting that. In 01 and early 02 the last 9 games of the year the defense gave up an average of 13.7 PPG (all games less than 17 points many of which were against good teams)- an improvement over the first 11. This year's team just gave up 17 to two putrid teams and 24 and 31 to Seattle and Buffalo. The 2001 team stunned other teams with their ability to stymie the great rams offense.
The jury's still out on this year's team. The D certainly has moments of looking pretty good followed by what feels like several more of me wanting to throw the remote through the window and go find some puppies to kick.
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Thank you for this. But Richard Seymore and the Pats stopped Zachary Crocket on 3rd &1 because Frank Middleton slipped in the snow and wound up blocking the wrong guy.
And if I remember correctly, there was either a 3rd down play the possession before this or the Raiders went for it on 4th down and threw a pass that just slipped out of the receivers hands, a pass that, if completed, would have effectively ended the game. edit: maybe it was the 2nd down play before the 3rd down run that was stuffed?
Lost in the tuck rule hoopla is that the Raiders really outplayed the Pats all game. It wasn't dominate, clearly, mostly because the weather was such a factor, but they had many other chances to clinch the victory before the Brady fumble that went awry.
I think that the difficulty in just looking at yards allowed and points allowed per game and comparing 2001 to this year is that we know it's lacking in context. On this board I think we all know that, at the very least, we would want an adjustment for offensive environment and for opponents played. I can say right off the bat that scoring league-wide is up over 13% in 2016 compared to 2001, while the Pats are only giving up about 6% more points, which would seem to be in their favor. However, they have also played probably the easiest defensive schedule that I've ever seen this year, and I would think that would more than make up for the difference. I will have to go back and look, but that's why people use things like DVOA when possible these days, not because it is perfect, but because it at least makes those kinds of adjustments.
edit: Ok, did a few really simple calculations on this, but the schedule the Pats defense faced in 2001 was very close to exactly league average in terms of opponent offense output in points and yards per game. In 2016, they are playing a slate of offenses that average nearly a field goal worse than league average in points, and about 20 fewer yards per game. Obviously, the teams just play the games that they are assigned, but the Pats defense is definitely getting a lot of help this year from the schedule makers.
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It doesn't diminish how awesome that season was or what that team accomplished in any way, but they were full luckbox all season.
Oh ya, I've never seen anything like it. Patten recovering a fumble while unconscious? Remember the throw against the Falcons that bounced off the receivers helmet straight back to Troy Brown in stride?
It's easy to forget, the snow was not a good thing for the Patriots at that point. They were a power running team and the Raiders were the great passing team, and with no ability to get traction in run blocking or pass-rushing, it was a huge advantage for the Raiders' style of play.
There might be some truth to this, but Oakland was a power running team, too, with Wheatley, Garner, and Crockett. I believe it was a few weeks before the Pats game, on the last day of the regular season, they rushed for over 300 yards against the Chiefs in the rain (it's possible it was the next year; too much drinking has made my memory somewhat faulty)
I'm pretty sure they can clinch a bye next week win a win. Baltimore would have 6 losses, they own the tiebreaker with Pittsburgh and the South leader has 6 losses.
Might need another Pitt loss/tie. There might be some sort of three-way tiebreaker at 11-5 between the Pats, Steelers and AFC West that lands the Pats at # 3.
If NE wins next week and MIA loses to or ties ARI, then NE clinches a bye. If both NE and MIA win, then NE will not clinch the AFC East and therefore cannot clinch a bye next week. (NE would win a tiebreaker with BUF if it wins next week based on common games, even if NE loses out after next week and BUF wins out)
Edit: does not account for three-way tie with PIT and AFC West champ.
Edit: does not account for three-way tie with PIT and AFC West champ.
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In a three-way tie among NE, PIT and AFC West champ @ 11-5, assuming NE beats BAL and loses to NYJ/BUF/MIA, PIT gets #1 seed (conference record).
NE loses tiebreakers with DEN (H-2-H) and OAK (common games) and gets #3 seed.
Tiebreaker with KC depends on common games. KC currently 2-2 (beat NYJ/DEN, lost to HOU/PIT) with one more game vs. DEN. NE would be 3-2. Next criteria would be strength of victory, which KC would win.
The upshot is that NE will likely need 12 wins for a bye, if either PIT or BAL wins out.
Edit: updated for OAK win.
NE loses tiebreakers with DEN (H-2-H) and OAK (common games) and gets #3 seed.
Tiebreaker with KC depends on common games. KC currently 2-2 (beat NYJ/DEN, lost to HOU/PIT) with one more game vs. DEN. NE would be 3-2. Next criteria would be strength of victory, which KC would win.
The upshot is that NE will likely need 12 wins for a bye, if either PIT or BAL wins out.
Edit: updated for OAK win.
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i think the AFC West will get 3 teams in
1 OAK 13-3 wins out ex for w17
2 NE 13-3 will lose to DEN or mia
3 Pitt 11-5
4 HOU/TENN 9-7
5 KC 11-5
6 DEN 10-6
WEEK 17 might be weird if MIA is 9-6 does ne go all out to keep denver out or do they gamble Den can take out pitt and Oak
1 OAK 13-3 wins out ex for w17
2 NE 13-3 will lose to DEN or mia
3 Pitt 11-5
4 HOU/TENN 9-7
5 KC 11-5
6 DEN 10-6
WEEK 17 might be weird if MIA is 9-6 does ne go all out to keep denver out or do they gamble Den can take out pitt and Oak
Will be interested in seeing BAL vs. NE next week. While they don't have the superstars of yesteryear, this is the best Ravens defense in some time and they are healthy for the first time all season. Don't expect them to score enough points to win but 8 points seem like a lot.
A win and a Miami loss clinched the division and a 1st rd bye.
If Raiders and Pats win out, Raiders get 1 seed based on record vs common opponents.
If Raiders and Pats win out, Raiders get 1 seed based on record vs common opponents.
J-man - friendly wager on our game in two weeks? If the Broncos win, $100 to a charity of your choice. If we win, you make a statement about Brady's superiority to both Elway and Manning...combined, and how all your playoff wins over us were combinations of flukes and bad officiating.
Brady is better than Elway and 10X than Manning the q is is he better than Montana and to me its even i think if Brady can just get to 41 42 then he is the best period i been doing a lot of thinking on Brady and other then 2002 2008 2009 he has been about 5 plays games from 7 / 8 super bowls and 1 or 2 more SB wins
u are partly right about the playoff wins 13 was just home-field had u had gronk maybe u win in 13 15 i cant say because Denver had the 85 bears on def u had 4 shots in the 4th q to win and u did not make it happen
looking back on it losing 43-8 was the best thing that could had happen to Denver cause if we beat Seattle we keep fox go 10-6 and lose 1st round in 14 in 2015 Denver misses the playoffs and so on
I actilly would agree 100% with every word u wrote but i need to see if Denver can win a playoff game with the 32nd ranked off or get to the playoffs in 2016
Denver combined opp record is 35-13 last 4 games and what i saw Sunday in Jacksonville on off was very LA Ram like
the only saving grace is actilly Goddell might be the biggest broncos fan in theplanlet
denver gets away with 2 or 3 DPI a game + without a tick-tack face mask call that led to the only Denver Off TD on Sunday we lose @ Jacksonville
i will take your bet because http://ucp.org/ could use the money and i like brady ex when he plays aga Den just PM me what forum to make statement in
then u have good news cause if u win out we will beat oakland at home if denver 9-6 or 8-7 because if oakland backs off any we will go after carr then he will be pulled
Donated...wanted to make sure they got something cause no way we're losing that game.
That's how you take a bet. Nice work, J-man, on stepping up and posting your full thoughts on this.
Agreed. For being such a mensch I'll guarantee the hundred and double it if the orange horsies win.
Aren't you forgetting the Steelers could win out here? A 3-way tie with NE, KC, and PIT pushes NE down to #3, no?
Look at post #76.
11-5 probably still works for a bye if Pitt wins out. For the Pats not to get a bye at 11-5 with the Steelers winning out Oakland has to go 1-3 or 0-4 AND KC cant go 3-1 or 4-0 AND Denver cant win out because a 12 win AFC West team leaves the Pats and Steelers in a H-T-H for the 2 seed. Oakland's schedule is tough, but if they go 1-3 then the latter conditions are less likely to hold because they play KC and Denver and KC and Denver play each other.
If the Ravens win out very very likely need 12 for a bye.
In addition, New England can clinch a first-round bye in the AFC with the following:
—A New England win and Miami loss or tie plus a Pittsburgh loss or tie.
Yeah. That wasn't in your original.
So do we root for the Bills? I guess we can be happy either way.
wow thanks for the help for UCP they use 95% of the money for Vans ramps bathrooms lifs i know this because i was a 1987 'Star' at my local telethon my local ABC channel uses 7 hours of programming to try and help people like me last year 150K was donated in my area i wouild post a pic of me at the 1987 Telethon but i couild not find the cover or any info on the net
i cant root for oakland or KC but oakland fanbase is better i want Arizona to win too Tenn/den is a toss up Denver couild lose
Marcaino490 if u want i will copy and paste my stament form monday and sent it to pats putit SB Nation they know how i feel about manning how i rooted aga manning in 03 and 04 i am good friends with the head writer rich hill
i cant root for oakland or KC but oakland fanbase is better i want Arizona to win too Tenn/den is a toss up Denver couild lose
Marcaino490 if u want i will copy and paste my stament form monday and sent it to pats putit SB Nation they know how i feel about manning how i rooted aga manning in 03 and 04 i am good friends with the head writer rich hill
No need to go to all the effort. You can put it here or the game thread whenever you get around to it after the game's over. Dogman - let's do the first hundred Friday when I'm back from my travels, and I'll square up the second as soon as the game ends.
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ok it might be a few days after the game because
on Monday i go on i can tell u in pm its great mods if u need proof i can provide it and watch the 40 min NFL Game verion takes me 5 to 6 hours i can pm u the link its the real deal been doing it for all 13 weeks
and on Tue i pick games for the next week at cowboys NYG blogs i can put that on the back burner if u win
but i cant aviod monday because by wed the games are gone
If there's anyone who has good credit around here, it's you. Whenever you're dropping by anyways, just throw it in wherever's convenient.