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FWIW, over the weekend Nick Kypreos of Sportset said the Jets ask from the B's for Trouba was/is Carlo, Spooner and a 1st.
 

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FWIW, over the weekend Nick Kypreos of Sportset said the Jets ask from the B's for Trouba was/is Carlo, Spooner and a 1st.
I'd counter with Spooner, Zboril & a 1st. Trading Carlo would be counter productive. Winnipeg wants the moon for him but I think this would be the best they'd do.
 

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I'd counter with Spooner, Zboril & a 1st. Trading Carlo would be counter productive. Winnipeg wants the moon for him but I think this would be the best they'd do.
Agreed, Carlo is a keeper. Make it happen Donny.
 

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I'd do the Carlo deal right now. Spooner is terrible, and the 1st means little.

Sure, I'd like to keep Carlo in an ideal world, but I do that deal all the time.
 

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I'd walk Spooner and the 1st to the airport for Trouba - I'm sure they can agree on a 3rd (non-Carlo) asset to complete the deal.
I'd carry them.

I'm in the camp that would like to hang on to Carlo- he's 70% of Trouba, no? Throw in Spooner (who I think will play better in a more open system) and a 1st, that's pretty steep.
 

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I'd do the Carlo deal right now. Spooner is terrible, and the 1st means little.
Sure, I'd like to keep Carlo in an ideal world, but I do that deal all the time.
I agree. Carlo has the most value of the Bruins D prospects. We can want to trade Zboril or Lauzon but they just don't have the value. For people wanting to keep Carlo, would you do the deal with McAvoy in place of Carlo? I can't see Zboril or Grzelcyk getting it done but if Sweeney did pull it off, he'll have won a trade!

Replace Carlo w/ Zboril or Grzelcyk and I'm totally in.
What's your best offer? If I'm the Jets, Grzelcyk, Spooner and a 1st is insulting. While inserting Zboril doesn't quite get it done.

On Trouba's value, I'm assuming he signs a 5+ year deal at 6M/yr.
 

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I agree. Carlo has the most value of the Bruins D prospects. We can want to trade Zboril or Lauzon but they just don't have the value. For people wanting to keep Carlo, would you do the deal with McAvoy in place of Carlo? I can't see Zboril or Grzelcyk getting it done but if Sweeney did pull it off, he'll have won a trade!

What's your best offer? If I'm the Jets, Grzelcyk, Spooner and a 1st is insulting. While inserting Zboril doesn't quite get it done.

On Trouba's value, I'm assuming he signs a 5+ year deal at 6M/yr.
What leverage does Winnipeg have that they would expect to "win the trade?" They have a player that refuses to sign with them. They're going to have to take the best offer on the table eventually. I don't see a team offering more then the Spooner, Zboril & a 1st package. If they wait until the draft they're looking at getting back picks. There are very few teams that can offer that package and have cap space (and are willing to add the actual salary) to sign him right now. So unless Winnipeg wants to hang on to him until the draft and take their chances that they can do better at the draft, they'll take the best offer they can get.
 

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The Jets only real leverage is against Trouba. He has to sign by 12/1 or he becomes ineligible to play for the year. They aren't obligated to trade him and thus they can drag it out. He can hold firm and go play overseas if he's that determined to get out of Winnipeg. The one problem with that outcome for the Jets is the expansion draft. They would have to protect him or lose him to Vegas for nothing. If he goes overseas and blows out a knee or suffers some sort of critical injury, they've lost the asset. So it seems 12/1 is the shit or get off the pot date on both sides.

I've actually soured a bit on the Trouba idea. I wouldn't trade McAvoy or Carlo for him. If they believe in their draft and development, then that's your right side top 4 of the future. Carlo is already here and McAvoy could theoretically be here as soon as April. If they believe in these kids, then be patient.
 

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If he doesn't sign does he just go over to Europe for the rest of the year? Essentially pull a short-term Radulov move.
 

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That would be the likely scenario, if he doesn't sign by 12/1. One of the Swiss league teams would take him. By 11/28 they should take the best offer, give a 24 hour negotiating window, and deal him.
 

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Not necessarily Trouba related, but Friedman says Spooner's possibly available in this 30 Thoughts column. Czarnik's play could be a factor in any decision.

Edit: the link is just posting the video at the beginning of the column. It's on sportsnet.ca
 

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I wouldn't trade Carlo in that deal for Trouba. Carlo is already in the NHL and playing 1st D pairing minutes and looking good. I would not trade him for the right to pay Trouba 6m to do the same.
 

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The Jets have been looking for an NHL ready defenseman for Trouba. I'm probably overreacting to his poor start to the season, but I'd trade Krug in a relatively straight up package for Trouba if the Jets were interested
 

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I think that weakens the left side too much. If they move Krug, the depth chart for next year would be....40yo Chara, O'Gara and I guess Grzelcyk or Morrow, if re-signed. They do have Zboril, Lauzon and Lindgren as promising LHD prospects, but it could be 1-2 years before they are ready. I think moving Krug leaves them a bit too thin on the left side.

Also, I think a lot of Krug's problems are tied up with his partners. Morrow was good; O'Gara and McQuaid are anchors.
 

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I'd do the Carlo deal right now. Spooner is terrible, and the 1st means little.

Sure, I'd like to keep Carlo in an ideal world, but I do that deal all the time.
1rst means little. This team, deal or no deal is one Tuukka tweak from having a top 5 pick. I am very hesitant to deal the Bruins #1 right now, that could blow up very badly.

In terms of Carlo for Trouba, no thank you for me. Right now I think Carlo is closer to 80% of Trouba, and it is unclear to me in the long run how much better Trouba will. Carlo is just so freaking solid.

My opinion is the rumored trade makes the Bruins marginally better this season at best, and possible weaker, and does so by dealing 2 of the most tradable assets they have, PLUS absorbs almost all the cap space they have moving forward, which means it becomes very difficult to make a companion deal to improve the team.

Absolutely NO Way I move Krug for Trouba. I just don't see the value there, and honestly moving forward it dramatically unbalances B's LD and RD (especially with MCAvoy coming next year)

If you got Trouba without dealing Carlo or Krug, then you are actually improving the team for this season.

Of course I say all this in my believe that Trouba is not a franchise defenseman, but rather someone who will probably live out his career as a solid, but frustrating second pairing guy
 

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Trouba is 22, let's give him another 2-3 seasons before definitively marking him as a inconsistent 2nd pairing guy.
Sure but what value are you placing on him for trading for him?

1) top 10 in the game D-Man
2) first pairing guy
3) great 2nd pairing guy
4) inconsistent 2nd pairing guy
5) Lower

there is a dramatic different price tag on each category, and you better slot him in the right spot if you are paying the prices talked about here

In order to consider making a trade for him, your scouts better be SURE which of those buckets he fits in moving forward, AND you need to make an offer consistent with that.

What value are we placing on Carlo, who at 19 has already stabilized the first pairing in Boston
 

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Chara is in the twilight of his career, if they're going to be contenders in the next 5 years they're going to need to find a couple of legitimate top pair defenseman. Adding Trouba to a group with Carlo, McAvoy, Lauzon, and Zboril greatly increases your odds of that happening.

As much as I love Krug, he's never going to be that type of player. He brings a lot to the table and will very likely be a valuable NHL player for a while, but he's undersized, slow, and not an elite passer. He's pretty much reached his ceiling. Which is why I'd move him for someone like Trouba and deal with the left side depth issues later.
 

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The Bruins are already carrying some inefficient cap numbers into the future paying Krejci (7.25M until 2021), Beleskey (3.8M until 2020), Hayes (2.3M until 2018), McQuaid (2.75M until 2019), and Miller (2.5M until 2020). I'd prefer not to give up future assets AND add 6m to the cap in the hopes of being the 5 seed rather than the 8 seed. Stockpile young players, save draft picks, and wait to spend cap space until there's a guy you really want or need to extend your own.
 

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@BigMike I didn't word that correctly, as you're right a first round pick by itself doesn't mean little, but I meant in the context of acquiring Trouba.

I guess I am concerned how much of what I am seeing with Carlo is for real, but I also like the offense that Trouba brings. I don't know that Carlo has that same potential, but I love what I see out of him defensively and in his own zone. He has revived Chara in a way, and I love that. I just wonder whether he can ever be the type of player I think Trouba can be.
 

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I guess I am concerned how much of what I am seeing with Carlo is for real, but I also like the offense that Trouba brings. I don't know that Carlo has that same potential, but I love what I see out of him defensively and in his own zone. He has revived Chara in a way, and I love that. I just wonder whether he can ever be the type of player I think Trouba can be.
He may never be what Trouba can be, but if he can be 80% of Trouba's potential, the salary difference more than covers that. If the Bruins had plenty of cap space that math would probably be different. I'm one who isn't sold yet on Carlo OR Trouba, but I'd rather watch Carlo develop on an ELC than pay Trouba for what he MAY become.

I'm not much of a gambler though so YMMV.
 

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Charlie McAvoy also factors into the equation. He profiles as a high end, all situations D with offense. Carlo + McAvoy on ELC's could provide more value than Trouba @ $5.5 million AAV + one of Carlo/McAvoy. The cap is also an issue. The Bruins have $61.5 million committed to 16 players 17/18 roster. If the cap stays at $73 million, they would have $11.5 to play with. I'll estimate $5.5 million as the cap number for Trouba, based off the Seth Jones and Hampus Lindholm deals. So $5.5 for him and then another $5-$6 million for Pastrnak eats up all large portion of the remaining space. I think that puts them in a bind and forces additional maneuvering.

The more I think about it, the more I think the right path is being patient and waiting for the kids to develop.
 

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The best move that Sweeney can make is to do anything he can to get Miller, McQuaid, Hayes & Belesky of the books. That's $11 million of useless fat on the cap they should try to trim.
 

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Agree totally. If they're willing to do Spooner, Miller/McQuaid, the 1st, and some sweetener (2nd? Zboril? Other?) Trying to be reasonable here I think that is a pretty decent deal for both sides, no?

WPG gets Spooner and a pick and a place holder d-man and something else. They have to give by eating a little bit of salary in that place holder d-man.
Bruins get out of a contract and get a nice d-man in return. They have to give some decent talent and picks in return.

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Agree totally. If they're willing to do Spooner, Miller/McQuaid, the 1st, and some sweetener (2nd? Zboril? Other?) Trying to be reasonable here I think that is a pretty decent deal for both sides, no?

WPG gets Spooner and a pick and a place holder d-man and something else. They have to give by eating a little bit of salary in that place holder d-man.
Bruins get out of a contract and get a nice d-man in return. They have to give some decent talent and picks in return.

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Not mocking. My only nit is that I'd do it in a heartbeat if I'm Boston, so WPG might not be as eager...
 

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I don't want to trade Carlo at all. Playing really solid NHL hockey before his 20th birthday.

That looks like it could be a great draft pick. Don't know if he's a top pairing guy in the end, but he'll be a quality top 4 four guy for more than a few years I'd bet.
 

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I don't want to trade Carlo at all. Playing really solid NHL hockey before his 20th birthday.

That looks like it could be a great draft pick. Don't know if he's a top pairing guy in the end, but he'll be a quality top 4 four guy for more than a few years I'd bet.
I'm officially on board the don't trade Carlo train. Dude is studly. Never thought he would adapt this quickly, and he's already their 2nd best defenseman at 19.
 

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Don't trade Carlo. Young defensemen like him just do not grow on trees. And there's no reason for this team to be in GFIN mode this season; Trouba alone does not put them over the top anyway.
 

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Apparently on HNIC Nick Kypreos said the Bruins were trying to trade Spooner, and that Vancouver may be interested (Jim Benning Connection).

Not really sure what the Bruins would be looking for from Van, or what Spooners value is. I image Jake Virtanen is someone the Bruins would be interested in, but that would be a Spooner+ type of deal.
 

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Spooner is an obvious trade candidate. He's fallen down the depth chart to the point where he is a 4th line wing / PP specialist. I don't see a spot for him in the lineup when Vatrano returns, which should be relatively soon.

Spooner is young, fast, under team control for 2 more years and makes $900K. He should have decent value, even if he's fallen out of favor in Boston. I think the team could use a shoot-first wing.
 

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Spooner is an obvious trade candidate. He's fallen down the depth chart to the point where he is a 4th line wing / PP specialist. I don't see a spot for him in the lineup when Vatrano returns, which should be relatively soon.

Spooner is young, fast, under team control for 2 more years and makes $900K. He should have decent value, even if he's fallen out of favor in Boston. I think the team could use a shoot-first wing.
But who else would you package with him? At this point he's on his own... What a 3rd round pick at best,?
 

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Spooner is an obvious trade candidate. He's fallen down the depth chart to the point where he is a 4th line wing / PP specialist. I don't see a spot for him in the lineup when Vatrano returns, which should be relatively soon.

Spooner is young, fast, under team control for 2 more years and makes $900K. He should have decent value, even if he's fallen out of favor in Boston. I think the team could use a shoot-first wing.
I can see why you'd want a shoot-first wing, but I'm still not sold on the depth of the D corps. Vancouver has a couple of attractive young defensemen: Ben Hutton and Nikita Tryamkin.
 

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I know it is strange to say, but I think the depth on D is fine. They've got 8 defensemen on the NHL roster, 7 of which are under contract/control. They are also adding Zboril, Lauzon and likely McAvoy next year. The current group is playing well enough that I'd prefer to ride it out and rebuild the defense internally. Maybe that changes closer to the deadline depending on their play and place in the standings. At any rate, I don't think Spooner gets you close to Hutton or Trymakin. The + could be a lot.

TSC's Virtanen idea is somewhat intriguing. He went 6th overall in 14 (Pastrnak draft), hasn't really done much at the AHL or NHL level. Right shot wing. He could be Brett Connolly 2.0, but acquiring him might be a worthwhile gamble. The Canucks are a tire fire so who the hell knows how they value him. They did gave up on a first rounder, Hunter Shikaruk, quickly last year.

The usual caveats apply, but Haggs believes Carolina, NYI and San Jose have shown interest in Spooner. He had no mention of Vancouver.
 

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Lots of smoke right now around a deal of Landeskog to Boston for prospects
 

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Worth exploring, I suppose, but my initial reaction is that Carlo is a more important part of the Bruins rebuild than Landeskog would be.
 

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I wouldn't think so. Given Landeskog's pedigree and status as the Avs captain, my guess is they want a high impact player as opposed to several mid-tier players. Plus Krug is largely redundant with Barrie.
 

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Trading Carlo for Landeskog would be one step forward two steps back. Losing him completely fucks the defense.
 

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The rumors I have seen are much more prospect based.

I don't think Boston adds Carlo, it just doesn't make sense. Landeskog is good, but you can make the argument overpaid, at least based on his lack of improvement the last 2 years.

Carlo is so inexpensive and under Bruins control for so long, and already playing such a critical role. I personally don't know if the Bruins make that deal 1-1
 

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Carlo and McAvoy need to be kept. Spooner, Miller, Krug, Morrow and prospects should be in play.
 

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If the asking price for Trouba was Carlo, Spooner and a 1st and they refused to pay that, I wouldn't think they'd do it for a forward. Landeskog would look fantastic on Krejcis lw but losing Carlo is too much.
 

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Why would Colorado want a bunch of middling prospects for their captain? A Tyson Barrie-clone, two D that are getting regular healthy scratches, and an okay forward that probably has 2nd-line center upside at best.