NCAA Football Conf. Championship Week

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Can you iamgine the conferences allowing the committe choose the teams in the playoff? Well, they could if the conferences took the two highest ranked teams based on the committe rankings. Of course, then OSU would be playing Michigan this weekend. Again. the other conferences would have remained the same, right? so then the B10 game would be huge again, the regular season game might not have mattered at all.

I think the ONLY way CFB playoffs works is if you give each P5 champ a playoff spot with 8 teams total in the playoffs. The only negative I can see is that this weekend you could see Alabama and clemson throwing their games becasue they'd still be in the final 8 and thus allowing their conference to get more $$ by having a second team.
 

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Can you iamgine the conferences allowing the committe choose the teams in the playoff? Well, they could if the conferences took the two highest ranked teams based on the committe rankings. Of course, then OSU would be playing Michigan this weekend. Again.
That would be great, then we could have another Michigan/tOSU game thread..............yeah, no.
 

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So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.

The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.

Yeah, that's a great system.
 

Ale Xander

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So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.

The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.

Yeah, that's a great system.
Osu is the better team

Penn state had their chance if they could have beaten Pitt or put up an effort vs M
 

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So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.

The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.

Yeah, that's a great system.
Ohio State is going because they had the better season and looks like the much better team. If Clemson loses and Penn State wins then PSU probably gets to go. Are you proposing that the only role of the committee should be to decide which of the five major conferences doesn't send their champion to the playoff? Edit: and to rank them 1-4, of course.
 

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So should Penn State win the conference championship game, Jim Delany thinks even though PSU beat tOSU, in his opinion tOSU still should go.

The conference champion stays home while the team they beat gets to go.

Yeah, that's a great system.
OSU is a better team the PSU and it's not close. Hell, Michigan is a better team than PSU and it's not close. (Note: I still think PSU will leapfrog the Wolverines if they win and I'm fine with that.)
 

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Osu is the better team

Penn state had their chance if they could have beaten Pitt or put up an effort vs M
But ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.
Of course they will be in it though.
 

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OSU is a better team the PSU and it's not close. Hell, Michigan is a better team than PSU and it's not close. (Note: I still think PSU will leapfrog the Wolverines if they win and I'm fine with that.)
This is exactly correct. The bonus PSU gets for being the champion of the conference is potentially passing Michigan even though Michigan would beat them 99-0 99 times of 100 even if they played every game in Happy Valley on White Out Day,
 

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But ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.
Of course they will be in it though.
I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.

Edited to remove that ridiculous little "t" before OSU. No clue what got into me. And don't talk to me about Oklahoma.
 

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I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.

Edited to remove that ridiculous little "t" before OSU. No clue what got into me. And don't talk to me about Oklahoma.
No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.

The Pats were the better team in 2007 but shit the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Too bad this committee just didn't vote the Pats the best team.

"Better" teams lose all the time. It happens.
 

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I'm not sure if you understand the difference between the Big 10 championship playoff, which yes you're right OSU cannot win, and the National Championship playoff, which is not a playoff of conference champions.

Edited to remove that ridiculous little "t" before OSU. No clue what got into me. And don't talk to me about Oklahoma.
Oklahoma is on fire right now, that loss to Houston was a killer, that cost them a shot at the playoff.

They're the hottest team in college football right now other than Alabama, but they have no shot to get in, which is too bad.
 

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No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.

The Pats were the better team in 2007 but shit the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Too bad this committee just didn't vote the Pats the best team.

"Better" teams lose all the time. It happens.
Exactly. The difference between basketball tournament and the football tournament is that conference champions get an automatic in in the former, and only some extra consideration in the latter.

I get your point but your complaint is with the committee criteria which state that championships won only come into play when "circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable," which really isn't the case here.
(Edit: And I'd argue most football fans would rather have the four best/most accomplished teams compete for the title rather than the four best conference champions)

http://d30ratpzqzalg7.cloudfront.net/CD-drupal-cfp-PROD/s3fs-public/CFP Selection Committee Protocol.pdf?tV3FOZ68If3qops3X7XJQFmkEd00PiAY

Your latter example of 2007, and by the way thanks for bringing up 2007, has nothing to do with this at all because OSU will not win the Big Ten Championship no matter what the committee votes.

Edit2: If you put in conference champions automatically you probably have to expand to eight teams.
That's what happened, actually, with the basketball tournament when it was clear that top three teams (e.g. Maryland 1974) were being left out of the 16-team champion only tournament,
 
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Exactly. The difference between basketball tournament and the football tournament is that conference champions get an automatic in in the former, and only some extra consideration in the latter.

I get your point but your complaint is with the committee criteria which state that championships won only come into play when "circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable," which really isn't the case here.
(Edit: And I'd argue most football fans would rather have the four best/most accomplished teams compete for the title rather than the four best conference champions)

http://d30ratpzqzalg7.cloudfront.net/CD-drupal-cfp-PROD/s3fs-public/CFP Selection Committee Protocol.pdf?tV3FOZ68If3qops3X7XJQFmkEd00PiAY

Your latter example of 2007, and by the way thanks for bringing up 2007, has nothing to do with this at all because OSU will not win the Big Ten Championship no matter what the committee votes.

Edit2: If you put in conference champions automatically you probably have to expand to eight teams.
That's what happened, actually, with the basketball tournament when it was clear that top three teams (e.g. Maryland 1974) were being left out of the 16-team champion only tournament,
No, they won't win the big 10, they just have a chance to win the National Championship despite losing.

I agree with where my ire is directed, I think the committee should have less power / say and pay attention to the games.

But back to the games today.
 

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No, they won't win the big 10, they just have a chance to win the National Championship despite losing.

I agree with where my ire is directed, I think the committee should have less power / say and pay attention to the games.

But back to the games today.
Like the games where Penn State lost to Michigan by 39 and Pitt? Or the ones where Ohio State crushed Oklahoma in Norman, won at Wisconsin and beat Michigan?

Yes, the head-to-head and potential conference championship matter. They're not enough with all the other things. Penn State shouldn't make it over Michigan, never mind Ohio State.
 

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No no, I get it. The NCAA tournament is basketball tournament of the top 64 (or 68) teams in NCAA D1 bball. But teams get into by winning their conf championships even if they didn't have the best record in their conference.

The Pats were the better team in 2007 but shit the Giants are the Super Bowl champions. Too bad this committee just didn't vote the Pats the best team.

"Better" teams lose all the time. It happens.
"Better" teams get shut out of the NCAA hoops tournaments all the time. Because lesser teams get automatic bids by winning their conferences.
 

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Like the games where Penn State lost to Michigan by 39 and Pitt? Or the ones where Ohio State crushed Oklahoma in Norman, won at Wisconsin and beat Michigan?

Yes, the head-to-head and potential conference championship matter. They're not enough with all the other things. Penn State shouldn't make it over Michigan, never mind Ohio State.
They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.

Guess the Yankees should have won in 2004 because they were the better team by end of year record. Forget the games.
 

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They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.

Guess the Yankees should have won in 2004 because they were the better team by end of year record. Forget the games.
Yes, because the MLB playoffs are explicitly decided by cumulative record. Great comparison.

If Penn State also lost to Temple and Kent State, they'd still be division champions. Should they get in then too? I guess Ohio State just scheduled Oklahoma for the hell of it. Nothing to be gained there.
 

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They lost yes. They made it to the conference championship despite that.

Guess the Yankees should have won in 2004 because they were the better team by end of year record. Forget the games.
You understand the format for other sports is different, right?
 

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After all the gnashing of teeth, it looks like this will be the least controversial selection process in the championship's brief history. Not much controversy about the field of four if Clemson and Wisconsin win.
 

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Whose judgment is looking pretty good at the moment.
I don't disagree they are a better team. I'm sure they are. We have ample examples of better teams losing or not making playoffs / championships. I disagree with the process that made tonights game meaningless.

But let's just all agree to disagree.
 

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But ya play the games. Neither UM nor tOSU had the body of work to get into the championship game. I don't care if they are the 'better' team. Upsets happen all the time. the SB isn't always the #1 v #1 seed (aka best team). Plenty of good teams miss the playoffs because they didn't perform when they needed to. tOSU didn't perform, didn't make the championship, and should be out.
Of course they will be in it though.
What are you smoking, OSU beat 3 top 9 teams. They have a much better resume than PSU
 

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I don't disagree they are a better team. I'm sure they are. We have ample examples of better teams losing or not making playoffs / championships. I disagree with the process that made tonights game meaningless.

But let's just all agree to disagree.
Tonight's game is certainly going to be meaningless to PSU if they get smoked like this in the second half.
 

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Does Wisconsin jump Michigan and make it if Clemson loses assuming they win convincingly?
 

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Let me add that I think Wisconsin should jump Michigan, even though I'm a Michigan fan. I'd bet they will, but I wouldn't bet on 1-4 odds that they will.
 

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It's a competitive sport, and the word "resume" is part of the conversation. Sad.
It's simply not feasible for college sports to have pro-style criteria for playoffs. If you want to be a legitimate contender, you probably shouldn't lose to other contenders by 39.

Penn State has two losses, one of them to a non-contender and the other one by 39, with only one impressive win. They're the fourth best team in the Big Ten, not the country.
 

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Let me add that I think Wisconsin should jump Michigan, even though I'm a Michigan fan. I'd bet they will, but I wouldn't bet on 1-4 odds that they will.
If Wisconsin wins, Clemson loses and Wisconsin does not jump Michigan and Michigan gets in as the fourth team, tOSU fans here will gather up their torches and pitchforks and storm the forum but before that happens, it will crash, burn, implode and burst into a ball of flames.
 

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If Wisconsin wins, Clemson loses and Wisconsin does not jump Michigan and Michigan gets in as the fourth team, tOSU fans here will gather up their torches and pitchforks and storm the forum but before that happens, it will crash, burn, implode and burst into a ball of flames.
I loathe Michigan, but they're a legitimately excellent team and I'd have no issue if they got in with a Clemson loss. Penn State doesn't belong anywhere near that discussion.