Alan Branch suspended 4 games

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If he smoked up for pain management or any reason while in the program he deserves to be suspended.

I agree smoking pot is better than drunk driving, but that's not the point. I think it's dumb for the NFL to suspend players for pot for any reason but he had to know at someone point at least once he was on his last warning. He was likely to get multiple warnings.

If he is in because of DWI (which is likely), then got caught in a circumstance, then smoked pot, he deserves what he got.

There's no scenario i can think of where he didn't mess up multiple times, starting with the DWI, that resulted in this.

This really isn't hard. You are in the program you can't smoke. If you're not in the program you can smoke like 10 months of the year. I think the NFL's rules are antiquated especially in the last 2 weeks but they are what they are.
 

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If he smoked up for pain management or any reason while in the program he deserves to be suspended.
Well, that's the point of Reverend calling for empathy, isn't it? This is spoken like someone who's never had to manage around chronic, debilitating pain. There but for the grace of god (and a middle-class upbringing and great education and being a white male and on and on) go I. Chronic pain can get so bad that people literally, and rationally, choose to end their lives rather than continue to deal with it. Who the hell am I to judge?

Branch rolled the random-testing dice and came up snake-eyes, no doubt. But I find it hard to wag my finger at him, not knowing how his body feels every morning when he gets out of bed (or tries to go to bed). I feel on much safer ground wagging my finger over the DWI, but that's not what we're discussing.
 

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Im not wagging my finger for smoking marijuana. Im wagging my finger for being dumb enough to get suspended for 4 games for smoking marijuana when your profession has a testing regime that only suspends you for smoking marijuana if you do a lot of dumb things.
 

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Well, that's the point of Reverend calling for empathy, isn't it? This is spoken like someone who's never had to manage around chronic, debilitating pain. There but for the grace of god (and a middle-class upbringing and great education and being a white male and on and on) go I. Chronic pain can get so bad that people literally, and rationally, choose to end their lives rather than continue to deal with it. Who the hell am I to judge?

Branch rolled the random-testing dice and came up snake-eyes, no doubt. But I find it hard to wag my finger at him, not knowing how his body feels every morning when he gets out of bed (or tries to go to bed). I feel on much safer ground wagging my finger over the DWI, but that's not what we're discussing.
I really don't care if he smoked pot for medical reasons. It's banned. He lost. He lost multiple times. If he didn't get the DWI he could have done all the pot he wanted but he was caught. The guy lost 4 games for his team and over a million dollars because he violated the drug policy.

Unfortunately if he just took a shitload of opiates the team gave him he'd still be playing.

The NFL rules suck but they are the rules.
 

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Im not wagging my finger for smoking marijuana. Im wagging my finger for being dumb enough to get suspended for 4 games for smoking marijuana when your profession has a testing regime that only suspends you for smoking marijuana if you do a lot of dumb things.
+1

Have to evaluate based on rules as they are rather than as they should be.

One is accountable to every other player on the team, the coaching staff and your owner. That is problem here. It's a very selfish pattern of behavior.
 

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Why is it OK to smoke weed and not get punished? If I tested positive for any type of drug, I get fired. Pain management is a BS excuse. It's a conscious choice to do this crap knowing the rules for it will get you popped. Athletes have plenty of time to do whatever they want when their playing careers are over with. It only hurts their playing time, wallets, and cost their teammates and coaches who will be without him for 4 games. I have no sympathy for athletes who do this.
Yeah, Toradol for everyone!
 

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Sounds plausible. The rules in this area are complicated.

I think the League -- all leagues -- ought to be out of the business of testing for recreational drugs.
I completely agree here.

I mean, law is hard. Operating rule based systems of procedural justice is hard.

Whenever we see non-professionals do it, be it college judicial systems or the NFL's player conduct policy, well, we see what happens during amateur hour, and it ain't pretty.

So was Chandler Jones, who went on walkabout in a drug-induced haze during a playoff week over synthetic weed.

While Aaron Hernandez could have happened to any team, it happened to a "Belichick guy". Likewise Alfonzo Dennard. Or LeGarrette Blount (LeVeon Bell weed incident).

Then you've got PEDs: Ninkovich. Rodney Harrison. Brandon Spikes. Brandon Bolden. Jermaine Cunningham. Brian Tyms (Adderall).

I will credit Belichick and his teams on a great many issues and dimensions, but when it comes to personal conduct regarding drugs, his players as a group have little difference from the league norms.
None of this makes any sense. As far as I can tell, I said "Belichick guy" and you broke out a slightly modified pre-canned rant about the concept that did not actually engage the point.

This post is basically an expression of reflexive response and the inability to think freely in the presence of certain stimuli.

It's likely a symptom of listening to too much sports radio, which is a problem, but a correctable one. I'm about 90% certain I'm responsible for having you made a member; don't disappoint me, eh?

(For what it's worth, I was insufferable for a period of time after first being put up for membership, so proud was I!)

Why is it OK to smoke weed and not get punished? If I tested positive for any type of drug, I get fired. Pain management is a BS excuse. It's a conscious choice to do this crap knowing the rules for it will get you popped. Athletes have plenty of time to do whatever they want when their playing careers are over with. It only hurts their playing time, wallets, and cost their teammates and coaches who will be without him for 4 games. I have no sympathy for athletes who do this.
If we rip the content out of this, it says other people should be fucked over because you have to play by shit rules.

Dude.

Well, except for using marijuana while driving a car or flying a plane or something. Otherwise, I agree. If this were a message board about whatever it is RedOctober3829 does for a living, and he was fired for smoking pot in the privacy of his own home, I'd post about how dumb it was to have fired him.
No. Those people get punished for using marijuana while driving a car or flying a plane or something. That's very different from getting punished for using marijuana while, say, not doing anything at all.

I get that it's easy to conflate concepts, but it's important that we not do so to stay focuses. When we don't, good people get fucked. In all of history, it has always been this way.

I hope we can try to be better.

Talking about whether Alan Branch is dumb for having run afoul of this system does not require disputing whether the system is dumb to begin with. I think everyone here agrees the system is dumb to begin with (if not, please speak up - there's probably a case to be made about setting an example for kids or whatever). But there can be criticism of Branch's actions without it also being support for the NFL's drug-testing system.

What clouds the issue is, we don't know how many tests he failed when, or how he got in the program. But if indeed he failed 4 tests including one during the offseason annual testing period, we can probably conclude he did dumb things (as in, counterproductive to his own interests).
It is good that you are aware that issues often get clouded with... all sorts of crap, really.

Take the lesson to heart, and maybe sit a few plays out--at least until you figure out how you're one of the ones doing the clouding, eh? (It's cool--just work it out, k?)

Per my understanding, if you aren't in The Program already, you have to be pretty dumb to fail an offseason drug test.
God help us all if being dumb becomes the standard for punishment.

And God help some more than others, then, I guess.
 

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As a d-lineman in the wrong side of 30, maybe the 4 game break will help keep him fresh for the playoffs...also interested to see what Valentine and Hamilton can do.
 
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stoned....looking at 4 weeks off......330 pounds......that's the description of a person who can lay waste to the Thanksgiving table.
 

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No date set for the appeal yet so this may end up costing playoff games if Branch plays this out (per Mike Reiss)
 

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We will see. If he thinks he's done nothing wrong maybe not. Its four game checks (not sure if missing a playoff game means missing the smaller playoff game check) and given the drug testing rules he may have already lost game checks through fines.
 

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Or not!


Field Yates: Source: Patriots DT Alan Branch has won the appeal of his 4-game suspension. No suspension now for Branch. He plays on.
 

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Branch won the appeal apparently, per Field Yates.


@FieldYates - Source: Patriots DT Alan Branch has won the appeal of his 4-game suspension. No suspension now for Branch. He plays on.
 

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Couldn't be more happy I was completely wrong. Hope he doesn't do whatever he did again.
You hope that he doesn't do something again that the NFL decided wasn't wrong enough to suspend him for? I mean, we're talking the NFL here, man. The NFL.
Seriously, the first sentence of your post was perfectly sufficient.
 

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2016/12/source_nfl_rescinds_alan_branchs_four_game_suspension

Branch learned of a positive test about two weeks ago and immediately appealed because it was evident there were marijuana traces in his system from a previously failed test, according to a source. Branch was already in the drug program, so he can be tested up to 10 times per month. The source said there were no new traces of marijuana in Branch's system to trigger a positive test.
 

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You hope that he doesn't do something again that the NFL decided wasn't wrong enough to suspend him for? I mean, we're talking the NFL here, man. The NFL.
Seriously, the first sentence of your post was perfectly sufficient.
That's exactly my point. I don't trust the NFL one bit. Looks like he failed two tests for one smoking incident. Hope he's off the weed for good now or until the NFL stops testing for it. He's back on strike 3.
 

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That's exactly my point. I don't trust the NFL one bit. Looks like he failed two tests for one smoking incident. Hope he's off the weed for good now or until the NFL stops testing for it. He's back on strike 3.
You earlier said:

"The guy lost 4 games for his team and over a million dollars because he violated the drug policy."

As I said, the first sentence of your post previous to the one to which I'm now replying was perfectly sufficient. Just own it.

Rules are rules, right?
 

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Branch: 1
Brady: 0
Brady hires the world's most famous lawyers for a year and a half and all sorts of equations are solved using all possible variables and he gets diddly squat but Branch says "Shit, man, I've been clean. That's got to be from when I used last month," and abracadabra he gets an out of jail for free card. This is like something from the Pat Patriot days.
 

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You earlier said:

"The guy lost 4 games for his team and over a million dollars because he violated the drug policy."

As I said, the first sentence of your post previous to the one to which I'm now replying was perfectly sufficient. Just own it.

Rules are rules, right?
I was 100% wrong and posted on my own to own it without promoting. I don't recall anyone's drug suspension ever being fully overturned never mind on something like this in the NFL.

At least the tester didn't take the sample home with him like in the Braun case.