Patriots acquire Lions OLB Kyle Van Noy

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Yeah, I think these are home run swings with a low percentage chance of working out, but the cost is also minimal. I don't think they should stop trying just because several of them haven't worked out; it's not like it's costing much, and if one or two guys pan out it's going to be worth it..
The thing to remember here is that the average 6th/7th round pick is probably lucky if he makes it to the practice squad. For most, the realistic upside is "maybe he can play some ST" (and yes, rarely Edelman or Brady happens)

With a former 2nd rounder, you're at least sure he looked the part at some point, so the realistic upside is higher.
 

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Mingo was traded for a 5th rounder. His contributions on special teams have likely already well surpassed the median expected return on a 5th round pick.

(Though I suppose to truly know that you'd have to factor in years under team control. But I'd wager on a one season basis Mingo has already contributed more then your average 5th round rookie)
I'm not saying it was a bad trade. It just bothers me that some posters here (not calling out anyone specific) seem to think that Belichick can just sprinkle magic football dust on underachieving players and make them great.
 

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I'm not saying it was a bad trade. It just bothers me that some posters here (not calling out anyone specific) seem to think that Belichick can just sprinkle magic football dust on underachieving players and make them great.
That's fair. But it might also be stated as "if Belichick (& Co.) spot something in a borderline player, they aren't afraid to give up some very slight value and bring that guy in to see if what they spotted can be harvested." For such a minimal cost, maybe they see a specific weakness he can fill, and a broad, if slight upgrade, he can offer. If he's good dropping deep in a zone on a passing down, does that project to have value later this season, while until then he's likely a slight upgrade versus another guy on ST? That's worth the cost, I'd say.
 

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I'm not saying it was a bad trade. It just bothers me that some posters here (not calling out anyone specific) seem to think that Belichick can just sprinkle magic football dust on underachieving players and make them great.
Is anyone actually saying that though? I don't see anyone saying that this guy is going to be a stud - just a whole lot of "the low risk is probably worth it"
 

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Is anyone actually saying that though? I don't see anyone saying that this guy is going to be a stud - just a whole lot of "the low risk is probably worth it"
Actually looking back I realize it was a quoted tweet not someone's actual opinion. Mea culpa. Folks were definitely high on Mingo though beyond just a special teams contributor.
 

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I assume the Patriots are calculating the players value based on (1) remaining salary cost (both Mingo and Van Noy are still on their rookie contracts), (2) special teams play, and (3) potential fit on defense including potential depth in case of injuries. I suspect that even if these players don't show anything more this year than they have already shown in their careers, the Patriots still see them as a value play based on their salaries and special teams contributions.
 

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I assume the Patriots are calculating the players value based on (1) remaining salary cost (both Mingo and Van Noy are still on their rookie contracts), (2) special teams play, and (3) potential fit on defense including potential depth in case of injuries. I suspect that even if these players don't show anything more this year than they have already shown in their careers, the Patriots still see them as a value play based on their salaries and special teams contributions.
Right, bottom line with Freeny out they needed some depth at LB - a guy who will be on the game day roster, play on ST, and back up at LB. Low investment for that type of move.