I do hope that these guys get back on the court early enough to give the Celtics a good shot at evaluating them. I would think both Tatum and Giles would be in the mix where the Celtics should be drafting.
2016-2017 NC Hoops: Heel Turn
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Ho hum #8 recruit who wants to package with the #3
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/18016078/six-top-40-espn-100-recruits-commit-colleges
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/18016078/six-top-40-espn-100-recruits-commit-colleges
We all know Coach K and Duke will load up every year. Question is can UNC keep up.
UNC just lost out on PJ Washington to Kentucky. UNC doesn't look good to get Kevin Knox who is leaning towards Duke or Kentucky. Jarred Vanderbilt is another 5 star they are in on, but there's a good chance he doesn't go to Chapel Hill. They also lost out on 4 star Garrison Brooks to Miss St. I know his father coaches there, but that is still a bad sign of recruiting issues.
So far they have Jalek Felton (nephew of Raymond) and a bunch of 3 star guys. Future isn't looking great if you base it on recruiting rankings.
UNC is really lacking true NBA talent - Guys that will be starters in the NBA. Hopefully freshmen Seventh Woods and Tony Bradley are better than their rankings, otherwise a chance to compete with Duke for ACC and to get another national championship will be tough.
Hasn't been easy since academic scandal, but Roy needs to figure it out.
Depending on who leaves and as long as Roy remains the boss, UNC basketball is dead being any kind of competitive after this year, so I'll enjoy one final team that has an outside shot at a title.
And yes, it's way more on Roy than the "scandal."
Ha, hopefully Shaka Smart. Can I say Brad Stevens if I'm a Cs fan? Stealing Tony Bennett wouldn't be bad either.
Although Carolina has some weird tradition of keeping it "inside the Carolina Family"
You're probably right. Assistant coaches need to be held accountable too. Not sure any of these guys are elite recruiters or eventual head coaches.
Next year's team could be ok
PG - Joel Berry
SG - Seventh Woods - He can be good. Freak athlete. If he develops and improves decision making, you could have a stud.
SG/SF - Theo Pinson
PF - Tony Bradley
PF/C - Hope Roy can pull in a top 10 recruit
There's an outside shot Justin Jackson (how did he miss that layup vs Villanova at end of half) comes back for senior year. If he still struggles from outside, continues to avoid contact, he could project as a 2nd round pick and stay another year. Wishful thinking, but not impossible.
Brandon Robinson as a soph. Kid can shoot, great release for his age
Jalek Felton
Kenny Williams
And again you hope Roy can bring in someone like Jarred Vanderbilt this year.
This is all best case scenario, so as of now UNC is certainly on the decline.
Just to be clear, that's my opinion, it has not been confirmed. But I cannot see Carolina ever hiring somebody outside the "family," and he's the only guy who fits.
From an outside look I agree. While we don't get to see their practices it is tough to assess. But what is Hubie responsible for? It's not like the defense has been elite so I can't imagine he's a defensive minded coach. Roy clearly has his offensive system. Hubie recruits? Hasn't been winning much there either. Hubie could fill it by the time he was a senior at UNC, but he was never a cerebal type player. I think he would get abused by the top ACC coaches.
The old "keep it in the family" hasn't really been successful. Dean was there for decades. Matty D failed, Roy has been good, but he was good at Kansas so you knew he could win.
The AD and alums I would hope are smart enough to realize they need to go outside to keep winning. Don't want the program to turn into a UCLA or Indiana. A modern, aka do your research, approach needs to be taken. Although Roy may be here until he's 80
Good comp on Indiana and UCLA. I see that direction for UNC, unfortunately (well... written with just a smidge of glee)
Once Roy retires, they should knock on Sean Miller's door and leave a blank check and tell him to write his dollar amount needed in.
Duke game online only tonight. I think tomorrow's game is on TV. Tix available for both games but don't think I can make either.
The guy who has never been to a Final Four despite signing top three class after top three class? No thanks.
If he's signing top 3 classes at Arizona, he's a great recruiter who with UNC's cache could attract better recruits than what UNC is currently getting. AZ is no chop liver but it's not on UNC's level. They could do far worse than Miller(like say Hubert Davis).
I didn't say I wanted Hubert, just that bringing him in told me he was being groomed for the position. In an ideal world, they would get somebody who could recruit and coach at an elite level. To me that guy is Shaka, but again, non-Carolina "family" has always been a disqualifier.
Is there a new court in Cameron? Looked slightly different to me but can't put my finger on it. Lighter shade of wood maybe?
Tough game tonight without any bigs, who K is going to keep out way longer than normal to make sure they are fully healthy for March. Will likely impact our seed as we're going to play 1/3 of the season with like a 6 man rotation and will probably have a couple losses in there for the inevitable game with foul trouble or poor shooting, at the same time it will continue giving valuable minutes to the guys who will be backups once the starters come back (Jeter, etc.)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18022446/duke-blue-devils-kentucky-wildcats-rule-college-basketball
You really gotta think that UNC could have been part of this story had they not done the whole cheating thing which is now preventing them from competing for the top recruits.
You really gotta think that UNC could have been part of this story had they not done the whole cheating thing which is now preventing them from competing for the top recruits.
Greg, JSHAMS:
Do we want to talk about Tony Bradley or just keep this on the down low for a bit?
Do we want to talk about Tony Bradley or just keep this on the down low for a bit?
Tony Bradley can really play. Sort of reminds me of a poor man's Tim Duncan. He's methodical, but more athletic than you would think, very efficient and does everything well. He's advanced for his age in the fact that he can catch and score quickly. Don't take this as I mean he's going to be a HOF, but just the type of game he has.
But how about UNC as a whole? Granted they played mostly scrubs so we'll see after Maui when schedule toughens. I am typically a pessimistic UNC fan because they usually lack toughness on D and can't shoot, but this team does both of those reasonably well. And they are really hard to match up with.
Their 3 big (Meeks, Hicks, Bradley) are a problem to match up with. Meeks is so wide, gets in great position, and is very skilled. Hicks real athletic and has shown some touch finishing this season. And I already mentioned Bradley is the next Tim Duncan....LOL. And I guess Luke May is a decent 4th big off the bench. Can't believe I just said that. To stop these bigs you either need to be very well coached (Duke, Villanova) or have NBA talent like Kentucky. Will be interesting to see if Kentucky's freshman can man up for 40 minutes against this group.
Their guards have all gotten better. Noel is now a star. He plays with a lot of confidence. He has a great release and will pull for 3 when he can, doesn't turn ball over, and defends well.
Jackson has finally started making shots. He's always had good enough form, but it looks like he gets better rotation on his 3s which has softened his shot. He's also playing better against contact. If he can play this way against a D like Duke, Wisconsin, or Indiana, I think he makes UNC a National Championship caliber team because now you really have problems matching up.
Kenny Williams is an ideal 4 year role player. Defends, shoots, fairly athletic, doesn't make bad mistakes, and plays with energy. He's easy to like if your expectations are for that role. He might be better than Pinson because he can shoot.
Nate Britt - You never know with Nate. He is a good enough backup PG as a senior. His mechanics aren't great from 3 so he's inconsistent. But he's fast, can fill in for Berry. If he's guarded by the other team's 7th man, Nate can make plays.
After that there is a drop off - Woods just doesn't have the confidence. What happened to his tight ball handling? It's very loose and high. Not the player I thought he was. Hopefully he can turn into a good defensive player. Robinson is solid for a freshman, but is weak and might struggle against ACC teams.
So in all, pretty deep team with seniors. . And now they can shoot and actually get stops. I didn't think they had a shot at National Championship, but it's pretty realistic to think they can get to Final 4 again. Now since I posted this we get to see UNC drop 2 out of 3 games and Tony Bradley will be a no show. And I'll blame Roy's recruiting and coaching.
But how about UNC as a whole? Granted they played mostly scrubs so we'll see after Maui when schedule toughens. I am typically a pessimistic UNC fan because they usually lack toughness on D and can't shoot, but this team does both of those reasonably well. And they are really hard to match up with.
Their 3 big (Meeks, Hicks, Bradley) are a problem to match up with. Meeks is so wide, gets in great position, and is very skilled. Hicks real athletic and has shown some touch finishing this season. And I already mentioned Bradley is the next Tim Duncan....LOL. And I guess Luke May is a decent 4th big off the bench. Can't believe I just said that. To stop these bigs you either need to be very well coached (Duke, Villanova) or have NBA talent like Kentucky. Will be interesting to see if Kentucky's freshman can man up for 40 minutes against this group.
Their guards have all gotten better. Noel is now a star. He plays with a lot of confidence. He has a great release and will pull for 3 when he can, doesn't turn ball over, and defends well.
Jackson has finally started making shots. He's always had good enough form, but it looks like he gets better rotation on his 3s which has softened his shot. He's also playing better against contact. If he can play this way against a D like Duke, Wisconsin, or Indiana, I think he makes UNC a National Championship caliber team because now you really have problems matching up.
Kenny Williams is an ideal 4 year role player. Defends, shoots, fairly athletic, doesn't make bad mistakes, and plays with energy. He's easy to like if your expectations are for that role. He might be better than Pinson because he can shoot.
Nate Britt - You never know with Nate. He is a good enough backup PG as a senior. His mechanics aren't great from 3 so he's inconsistent. But he's fast, can fill in for Berry. If he's guarded by the other team's 7th man, Nate can make plays.
After that there is a drop off - Woods just doesn't have the confidence. What happened to his tight ball handling? It's very loose and high. Not the player I thought he was. Hopefully he can turn into a good defensive player. Robinson is solid for a freshman, but is weak and might struggle against ACC teams.
So in all, pretty deep team with seniors. . And now they can shoot and actually get stops. I didn't think they had a shot at National Championship, but it's pretty realistic to think they can get to Final 4 again. Now since I posted this we get to see UNC drop 2 out of 3 games and Tony Bradley will be a no show. And I'll blame Roy's recruiting and coaching.
Duke signs #3 prospect Wendell Carter
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/18120772/wendell-carter-no-3-recruit-2017-espn-100-commits-duke-blue-devils
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/18120772/wendell-carter-no-3-recruit-2017-espn-100-commits-duke-blue-devils
Damn, nice pick up. Was expected. Who chooses Georgia over Duke?
K and Capel can just straight up recruit.
K and Capel can just straight up recruit.
this all said, now that i've posted that, it means that MSU will get Duke into foul trouble and pull out the win since our 3 lottery picks are still sitting on the bench injured. Duke's won like 129 non conf home games in a row lol. that has to end at some point. we are only playing 6 players right now, and Allen and Jefferson are both playing hurt.
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MSU is really young and not that deep. Their clutchy-grabby style could keep it close, but Cameron will be too much for MSU.
Was at the game last night. My first real game at Cameron, and wow was it fun. The place is rocking with that 11-0 run.
Izzo has long been my least favorite coach after complete lack of class or any sort of graciousness after season opening loss at Univ of Hawaii years back, but wow is he obnoxious to watch from 25 feet away. Obviously I've got some strong bias there, and I appreciated seeing everything up close.
Pretty horrible offensive performance last night, with point totals for Allen and Kennard total mirages, they just weren't quite there offensively. Jones and Jefferson were great. The thing that has struck me so far in the 3 games I've been at is the quickness of Jackson. When he turns it on he makes Allen and everyone else on the court look excruciatingly slow. Not a great game for him with foul trouble, but wow is he fun to watch, on and off the ball.
Izzo has long been my least favorite coach after complete lack of class or any sort of graciousness after season opening loss at Univ of Hawaii years back, but wow is he obnoxious to watch from 25 feet away. Obviously I've got some strong bias there, and I appreciated seeing everything up close.
Pretty horrible offensive performance last night, with point totals for Allen and Kennard total mirages, they just weren't quite there offensively. Jones and Jefferson were great. The thing that has struck me so far in the 3 games I've been at is the quickness of Jackson. When he turns it on he makes Allen and everyone else on the court look excruciatingly slow. Not a great game for him with foul trouble, but wow is he fun to watch, on and off the ball.