Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 (the Year of the Swap)
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Sources: Brooklyn is out of the running on free agent Marvin Williams, who continues to discuss parameters of a deal to return to Charlotte.
Sources: Brooklyn is out of the running on free agent Marvin Williams, who continues to discuss parameters of a deal to return to Charlotte.
Brooklyn's offseason looks exactly like the kind of thing a money-conscious FO would do if they had already had a strong core at the heart of their team.
Short-term deals for depth players at relative bargains.
Only problem is that Brooklyn has no core and the depth players will be forced into starting roles.
With contracts skyrocketing they'll never have a better opportunity to get draft value in a Lopez trade. Fingers crossed.
The Nets are not having a good free agency period. That draft pick swap looks pretty good. Pretty, pretty good.
Current depth chart:
Lin/Vasquez/LeVert
Bogdanovic/Whitehead
RHJ/Kilpatrick
Booker/CMC
Lopez/Hamilton
They are something like 18M below the salary floor. So they are going to have to spend. But they have most of the season to get to it.
Is Danny and the NBA ready to value that pick as the number one or number two pick? If so, I hope we can stop hearing pepople say "they have the Nets picks." Those picks, especially the 2017 swap is Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram. I hope Danny and crew value it as
That. John Wall, Wiggins, Jabari, Oladipo, etc...
Those pieces will be under team control for
Up to nine years. They are so valuable. If Danny can attract or trade for a star when he spends money on Bradley and Isaiah, and Horford in three years? he is goin to have to spend so much to retain them, so a player like Josh Jackson or Giles will Be so very valuable.
I don't know if there are a handful of players in the league that I would be ok with him trading that pick for. (Who may possibly be available.) The 2017 I really don't know if there is anyone. The 2018 is more moveable.
Thanks Brooklyn
Current depth chart:
Lin/Vasquez/LeVert
Bogdanovic/Whitehead
RHJ/Kilpatrick
Booker/CMC
Lopez/Hamilton
They are something like 18M below the salary floor. So they are going to have to spend. But they have most of the season to get to it.
Is Danny and the NBA ready to value that pick as the number one or number two pick? If so, I hope we can stop hearing pepople say "they have the Nets picks." Those picks, especially the 2017 swap is Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram. I hope Danny and crew value it as
That. John Wall, Wiggins, Jabari, Oladipo, etc...
Those pieces will be under team control for
Up to nine years. They are so valuable. If Danny can attract or trade for a star when he spends money on Bradley and Isaiah, and Horford in three years? he is goin to have to spend so much to retain them, so a player like Josh Jackson or Giles will Be so very valuable.
I don't know if there are a handful of players in the league that I would be ok with him trading that pick for. (Who may possibly be available.) The 2017 I really don't know if there is anyone. The 2018 is more moveable.
Thanks Brooklyn
I know I sound like a broken record but nobody can properly value a pick that can be anywhere from 1 to 6 even if the Nets are one of the 4 worst teams in the league. Even as the team with THE worst record there is less than a 50% chance of the pick being 1 or 2.......so nobody is going to value it as such today. This is why the pick almost certainly won't be moved until after the lottery next summer at the earliest once the proper value can be established.
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Add Joe Harris and Anthony Bennett to the Brooklyn squad.
And now Randy Foye.
How are they getting to the salary floor with these type of signings?
And now Randy Foye.
How are they getting to the salary floor with these type of signings?
I doubt that they are overly concerned with reaching the floor since there isn't an actual penalty for not doing so.
Salary floor is relatively meaningless. If they don't hit it, the difference is dispersed to the players on the roster.
I see them as good candidates to take on bad contracts to snag some assets moving forward anyway.
I see them as good candidates to take on bad contracts to snag some assets moving forward anyway.
Yeah that's basically not possible, there essentially are no bad contracts at the moment. Or at least no bad contracts that a team has an incentive to dump with assets. Too many teams have cap space and there are no FAs available, so until at least next offseason no team has an incentive to pay an asset to dump a contract.
So I guess this makes it official that the Nets have run up the white flag on this year.
What other choices have they had? They aren't looking to tank on purpose......no FA of any worth want to play there and they have no assets to trade that would improve the team immediately. It is going to be a long process to dig out of this hole.
That's not necessarily true. If the cap is "only" $102 million next year you'll find teams trying to get off money by the deadline in hopes of opening a max slot next summer. The unbridled enthusiasm shown this summer is going to put a few teams in a sticky cap situation in the near future.
Scola, Foye, and Vazquez are decent gets as a Plan C or D option here. Keeps them for being 10-wins bad and you may be able to flip one of them for an asset like a second round pick or Eurostash at the deadline.
This is a bad roster:
Lin/Vazquez/Whitehead
RHJ/Foye/Kilpatrick
Bogdanovich/Levert/Joe Harris
Booker/Scola/McCullough/Bennett
Lopez/Hamilton
Lin/Vazquez/Whitehead
RHJ/Foye/Kilpatrick
Bogdanovich/Levert/Joe Harris
Booker/Scola/McCullough/Bennett
Lopez/Hamilton
That's 1 Bropez injury away from being a glorified D-League squad. I'm really excited. No excuses for the Celtics to lose to these turds next year.
Were I them, I would try to stay below the floor in hopes of extracting a draft pick for taking a bad contract off of someone's hands.
That's nice in theory but does that really ever happen though? With the exploding cap are there even any "bad" contracts out there.......aside from Evan Turner in about 5 months?
It used to happen all the time. But it would be hard to use the cap room this year since every old contract is reasonable now with the cap increasing so dramatically.
I think it's more likely they could work out a deal next year. And if I were the Nets GM that's why I wouldn't want to commit too heavily now when at least a couple other teams are going to get buyer's remorse on the crazy spending this offseason.
Final 15 man roster as we approach the opener:
Lin/Vasquez/Whitehead/
Hollis-Jefferson/Foye/Kilpatrick
Bogdanovich/Harris/Levert
Booker/Bennett/McCullough
Lopez/Scola/Hamilton
"With the first overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft the Boston Celtics select......"
I wonder how many waiver claims they make.
Hunter, Goodwin, Brown, Adams all waived today and might be better than the last few guys on the Nets' roster.
Hunter, Goodwin, Brown, Adams all waived today and might be better than the last few guys on the Nets' roster.
I don't know about this. They are fighting with Philly and the Lakers early on for this "honor" and both of those teams look mighty improved.......the Sixers with Embiid and the Lakers minus Kobe which alone elevates them.
Let's not forget they gave the Celts a ton of problems last year too. And the Celts did build a 23 point lead midway through the 4th last night
As bad as their talent is, I do think they've improved since last year. They're going to be much better coached, and they'll pretty much have the green light from Atkinson to take as many 3s as they can, which will win them the odd game that they shouldn't have any business winning.
That said, even an overperforming Nets team is probably a bottom 3 team, and they'll shop Lopez if he can stay healthy until the deadline.
That said, even an overperforming Nets team is probably a bottom 3 team, and they'll shop Lopez if he can stay healthy until the deadline.
Agreed. At the end of the day I don't think many teams got appreciably worse this offseason, at least not to the point of falling behind where the Nets are.
They had some wtf wins or close games last season. Beat OKC, should've beat GS early on. Can be a funny game.
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Color me concerned early.
They are a scrappy bunch with a rookie head coach which is always a dangerous recipe for overachieving even if it is to a 31-win season. Atkinson is rookie coach with a fresh voice and has an entire team of hungry players without the Entitled ones on long term deals. Only Lopez, Booker and Lin have significant salaries guaranteed for next season. Of those three.....Lopez is a true professional and always a hard worker, same with Lin and Booker seems to be cut out of that same cloth.
The team plays to today's analytics which can make a big difference on those winter nights when teams discount the Nets while their 3's are falling. After seeing these first 3 games I'm legitimately concerned about the Nets landing in the 5th to 10th pick as opposed to sure fire top 3 as I had anticipated.
They are a scrappy bunch with a rookie head coach which is always a dangerous recipe for overachieving even if it is to a 31-win season. Atkinson is rookie coach with a fresh voice and has an entire team of hungry players without the Entitled ones on long term deals. Only Lopez, Booker and Lin have significant salaries guaranteed for next season. Of those three.....Lopez is a true professional and always a hard worker, same with Lin and Booker seems to be cut out of that same cloth.
The team plays to today's analytics which can make a big difference on those winter nights when teams discount the Nets while their 3's are falling. After seeing these first 3 games I'm legitimately concerned about the Nets landing in the 5th to 10th pick as opposed to sure fire top 3 as I had anticipated.
It looks like Nets are playing hard and they take the 2nd most 3Ps in the league (37.3, behind DAL with 38.5) so you are correct that they are going to win the odd game here or there when the 3s are falling. Let's just hope it's 1-2 games and not 5-10 this year.
We have to hope that the Nets will flip anyone who is playing well for them but not a part of their future.
During Brook's previous 8 seasons he's played all 82 games three times and between 72-74 games in three others.
In 2 of the last 5 seasons he's played less than 20 games and hasn't topped 74.
Which of course isn't "annual" either. It's 2 out of 5 when in the other 3 years he never missed a game.
74 out of 82 games IS considered a durable player which Lopez has reached in 6 of his 8 seasons . To put this into context we've seen 9 seasons of Olynyk, Smart, and Sullinger in Boston......the only season of those 9 where one played greater than 74 games was last season and it was Sullinger.
I agree that the Nets look scrappy, but it gives me that solace that at least according to Basketball Reference's fairly rudimentary rating system -- point differential and strength of schedule -- there's a clear lower tier after the first week, and those beautiful bastards are in it. Upcoming games to watch: Wolves (Nov. 8), at Suns (Nov. 12), at Lakers (Nov. 15).
EDIT: I'm an idiot. I was looking at last year's final standings. Thought I had switched to this year's. Their rating is really solid so far this year....
EDIT: I'm an idiot. I was looking at last year's final standings. Thought I had switched to this year's. Their rating is really solid so far this year....
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I don't think his first 3 seasons on the league hold much merit as the last 5. He broke his right leg in 2011-2012 to miss the season, he missed 7 games in 2012-13 for a rolled ankle, In 2013-14, he missed the whole year due to a foot injury. In 2014-15, he missed the first 2 games with a foot injury and in December missed 8 games with a back injury. He did play all 73 games last year before being shut down to avoid injury. This year, they are actively limiting his minutes to avoid injury as well.
So in 4 of the last 5 years, he has missed a bunch of games due to injury. Guess that doesn't fit your narrative though.
His first 3 years in the league were before his foot started giving him issues. It's not the player he is 6-8 years later.
No. His history doesn't fit that narrative when you are calling playing in 90% of the games being an "annual injury." That is a very good ratio for any player.
Except he doesn't play in 90% of his games. He's played in 59% of his games since 10-11 and missed 2 out of 5 seasons pretty much completely. He hasn't played in 90% of his games since 2012-2013. But don't let facts get in the way. He is oft injured. You can rely on him to go down at some point in miss 2 weeks to a month of the year. Agree to disagree. You are arguing a player isn't injury prone when he's literally missed 2 seasons and is being heavily monitored this year due to his foot. But ok.
He had two catastrophic injuries that cost him entire seasons, but other than that he's been healthy. If the previous leg and foot injuries had or were causing him to miss games you'd be justified in calling him injury-prone, but I'm not sure that's the case.
Is Kevin Durant injury-prone because he missed a season due to injury? Blake Griffin? Nerlens Noel?
Is Kevin Durant injury-prone because he missed a season due to injury? Blake Griffin? Nerlens Noel?
Either way, they looked terrible tonight. If Lopez is going to be occasionally skipped on back to backs like he was Saturday and limited to 25 minutes a game, they are just going to look even worse.
He's being eased in, so he shouldn't miss too many games and should be back up to 30-32 minutes a game by December I'd think.
He's being eased in, so he shouldn't miss too many games and should be back up to 30-32 minutes a game by December I'd think.
Next 4 games should tell us a lot. Home with rest vs. DET, NOH, and MIN are winnable games, as is NYK in a soft road back to back (Brooklyn to Manhattan). After that, the schedule gets considerably tougher with 5 games out West and the C's home right before Thanksgiving.