2016 Belichick Thread: Cheater de Force

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The diction, guys. "Relishes"? That's not a Ryan or a Shula talking. The clipped, terse sentences...I hear this passage in Parcells's voice, easily. I also don't find it to be that much of a slam and wonder why the guy even wanted off the record. Probably it's ESPN inventing quotes, to be honest.
 

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$20 says he's fined for that. He tore a sponsor to shreds and I bet he took great satisfaction in it.
 

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I love that the NFL makes $15 billion per year (or whatever) and yet can't get these tech issues to work as they're designed and in a fashion that's dependable for the coaches and players. This kind of thing cannot be this hard.

Unfortunately, it's a sponsorship thing with Microsoft so I'm sure BB's remarks will cost the Pats a couple draft picks and couple million in fines.
 

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Wish he ended it with "Full disclosure: I received a free product in return for an honest review."
 

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After HeadsetGate last season against the Steelers, I find it amusing that Belichick discusses this topic just before heading into Pittsburgh
 

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I think it's great that he mentioned that the NFL actually owns the comms equipment, and the teams do not even receive it until the day of the game and as a result have only a few hours to set it up. I'll leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
 

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This is so brilliant. He hits the league where it likes to get hurt least, the pocketbook. Plus, he is telling the truth. I can only imagine what he will be saying in his last year and he really doesn't give a fuck anymore. Like he give a fuck now, but you know what I mean.
 

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$20 says he's fined for that. He tore a sponsor to shreds and I bet he took great satisfaction in it.
Technically, he didn't tear the sponsor to shreds at all. His long answer very clearly says that the issue can be anywhere. He also says that a big part of the problem is that they don't have ample time to set up and test the equipment - which should be an understood requirement of any system, no matter how stable. Of course, optics - Microsoft, Motorola, and the NFL might not see it that way.
 

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I dunno....in that quote I don't see the man who privately seethes at Goodell so much as I see the guy who struggles to master his car radio settings.
 

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Maybe this forces the NFL to reasses this whole process? Doubtful, but who knows.

No matter what, the headlines are gonna read like BB is tearing the Surface tablets apart. Microsoft is banking a huge part of their consumer and enterprise business on these tablets. The last thing they're gonna want coming out of their biggest endorsement partner is that their premier computer/platform being labeled as "unreliable". They might lean on the NFL to remedy these issues so no one joins BB in the grumbling.
 

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Mike Reiss: Microsoft has released the following statement after Bill Belichick's remarks Tuesday on giving up on usage sideline tablet: "We respect Coach Belichick's decision, but stand behind the reliability of Surface. We continue to receive positive feedback on having Surface devices on the sidelines from coaches, players and team personnel across the league. In the instances where sideline issues are reported in NFL games, we work closely with the NFL to quickly address and resolve."
 

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That's my takeaway as well. The fact it makes the league look like money grubbing buffoons is just a nice bonus.
He specifically says it's not a problem with the tablets themselves, but with connectivity.

Which makes sense, because trying to use wifi in a stadium with 70K plus cell phones interfering with it is absolutely nuts.

Bringing in a device that you don't own, have no control over, on gameday, and expecting it to properly interface with several other systems, while 70K cellphones are interfering with your wifi is way past nuts.

And knowing how the NFL tends to operate (endzone cameras are too expensive, bigger monitors for the refs are too expensive, etc) - it's all probably running off cheap consumer hardware.

The whole thing is nuts - just let the damn teams control their own communications equipment.
 

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But then we'd have to hear pundits and opposing fanbases bitch about the Patriots manipulating the other team's ability to communicate.
 

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But then we'd have to hear pundits and opposing fanbases bitch about the Patriots manipulating the other team's ability to communicate.
We already hear that from pundits with the current system. If each team had their own portable systems, how would the Patriots access them?


This is a decent article about how much of a shitshow the communications frequencies are at NFL stadiums:

http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/gameday-behind-the-scenes/nfl-gameday-frequency-coordinators/
 

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This is such a great FU by BB to the league -- fuck with me, I'll fuck with you where it hurts..your sponsors.

Microsoft must be pissed.
 

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The ESPN article mentioned by riboflav earlier mentions David Halberstein’s book The Education of a Coach, but should mention the 10,000 hour rule which in Malcolm Gladwell’s book Outliers theorizes that any skill can be mastered within 10,000 hours of correct practice. In applying the Phil Savage quotes, BB may have analyzed 10,000 hours of film (correctly) by the time he left Anapolis for prep school.

The chess vs checkers analogy should be Grandmaster vs Experts. Some NFL HC’s are there because of a combination of coaching ability, game planning, ability to motivate, etc. Varying strengths in each of these areas. BB has mastered all of these skills in addition to roster construction. In the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer, there is a scene where a teenage Bobby Fisher is playing several games at once. He would stop at each table for a few seconds and make his move and go to the next game. That’s the analogy I see is the difference between BB vs other HC’s not the chess vs checkers analogy.

On some message boards there is the BB could not make it without TB or variations such as BB being lucky to draft TB or he would have been a mediocre coach. The quote by Rick Venturi describes it better than anyone to date. " When you get a guy like Brady that late in the draft, that's just lucky. But the Patriots kept four quarterbacks in 2000, which is pretty rare. So maybe the brilliance wasn't in drafting Brady but in Bill's recognition right away that he had something special when no one else knew it."
 

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It'd be interesting to list his favorite Pats players. Quickly of the top of my head:

Rodney
Bruschi
Gronk
Slater
Mayo
Faulk
McCourty
Hamilton
Wilfork
Flutie
Brady
Junior
Collins


And I bet there are so many more unheralded players that he really likes that we have little evidence of... I'm guessing James Devlin and a whole bunch of Special Teamers. Also, there are the ones I'm not always sure about like Vrabel, Asante, and Malcolm... like you'd think he'd love those guys but I seem to get the sense that he's sort of meh on them.
 

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It'd be interesting to list his favorite Pats players. Quickly of the top of my head:

Rodney
Bruschi
Gronk
Slater
Mayo
Faulk
McCourty
Hamilton
Wilfork
Flutie
Brady
Junior
Collins


And I bet there are so many more unheralded players that he really likes that we have little evidence of... I'm guessing James Devlin and a whole bunch of Special Teamers. Also, there are the ones I'm not always sure about like Vrabel, Asante, and Malcolm... like you'd think he'd love those guys but I seem to get the sense that he's sort of meh on them.
You forgot a couple:

Troy Brown
Troy Brown
Troy Brown
 

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Larry Izzo has to be on BB's list of favorite Pats. Like Slater, he was a break out in case of emergency player outside of his major special teams role.
 
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In the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer, there is a scene where a teenage Bobby Fisher is playing several games at once. He would stop at each table for a few seconds and make his move and go to the next game.
This is a pretty easy trick for experienced tournament chess players. There were a couple of kids in my summer camp in middle school who'd play 8 kids at once walking down the line like that and just demolish us. They were decently ranked chess juniors, but not grand masters or anything.
 

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Prior to signing with the Pats, Colvin was a big fave of his as well.
He still liked Colvin after - Colvin just wasn't the same after his hip injury.

Chad Johnson / Ochocinco is a guy he loved pre-Pats.

Belichick has called Adam Vinatieri the best player on that 2001 Super Bowl team. I imagine he holds Gostkowski in similar esteem.
 

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Colvin making BB smile in a press conference:

I loved that when I saw it live.

He still liked Colvin after - Colvin just wasn't the same after his hip injury.
True tho he was pretty solid in 2004 even tho he was used situationally – he had 5 sacks that year, which is particularly amazing when you realize he actually had to RE-LEARN HOW TO WALK after he shattered his hip socket the year before.