Seems like the NFL learned nothing from the RR investigation.. GJGE NFL
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Giants were unaware of Josh Brown’s admission of physical and emotional abuse wp.me/p14QSB-a9jI
10/20/16, 10:42 AM
NFL to reopen the investigation on Josh Brown
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Seems like the NFL learned nothing from the RR investigation.. GJGE NFL
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Giants were unaware of Josh Brown’s admission of physical and emotional abuse wp.me/p14QSB-a9jI
10/20/16, 10:42 AM
What are the Giants doing here? They cut a player last year over a fight about headphones and this guy isn't gone yet?
I call BS on the NFL not knowing about this. NFL Security can get their hands on anything they want whether through regular or back channels.
We know the NFL's priorities and it appears that controlling DV offenders in their sport isn't one of them.
I call BS on the NFL not knowing about this. NFL Security can get their hands on anything they want whether through regular or back channels.
We know the NFL's priorities and it appears that controlling DV offenders in their sport isn't one of them.
There was a story about the wife being moved into an undisclosed hotel at the Pro Bowl because he was terrorizing her. Neither the Giants or NFL knew about that?
Oh, my good goodness gracious! Of all the dramatic things I've ever seen. Josh Brown standing right in Roger Goodell's office...
Yeah... the NFL and the Giants might want to rethink that considering Mara said this at the press conference
Q There was a letter that said Josh admitted to abuse against his wife. Were you aware of that? Did you look into that?
A Jordan, all I can tell you is the we are aware of all the allegations, and, I believe, all of the facts and circumstances and we were comfortable with our decision to re-sign him. - Mara
Gonna be hard for them to say NFL security was un-cooperative, but it'll be fun to watch them try while their mediot enablers try to help.
If ONLY they had asked for his cell phone records then they could have suspended him for 4 games for conduct detrimental to woman.
Q - There was a letter that said Josh admitted to abuse against his wife. Were you aware of that? Did you look into that?
A - Jordan, all I can tell you is the we are aware of all the allegations, and, I believe, all of the facts and circumstances and we were comfortable with our decision to re-sign him. - Mara
The NFL ownership really does have a bunch of incompetent morons with a product that survives in spite of their idiocy. Truly amazing how tone deaf they are, and how much they react to the public opinion instead of being proactive. This is why I watch only the Patriots and turn the TV off outside of their games, I have watched about 1/2 a game combined of non Patriots football this season. I support the Patriots but not the NFL as a whole.
Q - There was a letter that said Josh admitted to abuse against his wife. Were you aware of that? Did you look into that?
A - Jordan, all I can tell you is the we are aware of all the allegations, and, I believe, all of the facts and circumstances and we were comfortable with our decision to re-sign him. - Mara
The NFL ownership really does have a bunch of incompetent morons with a product that survives in spite of their idiocy. Truly amazing how tone deaf they are, and how much they react to the public opinion instead of being proactive. This is why I watch only the Patriots and turn the TV off outside of their games, I have watched about 1/2 a game combined of non Patriots football this season. I support the Patriots but not the NFL as a whole.
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I really hope the racial component to this becomes a thing (rightly or wrongly). It does not look good when black guys are banned for half seasons and blackballed from the league, and the white placekicker gets a game and a "we were comfortable with our decision". And, please God, show that Goodell knew of this stuff and have this come down on him. I think I would actually take a Goodell resignation and humiliation over #5 for TB12 at this point.
Imagine if there was an audio recording of an NFL admin assistant admitting to having received and read the letter from Brown.
The craziest part of this is they came up with a new mandatory six game punishment for domestic abuse and then suspended him one game for "lack of evidence." Leaving aside the really clear evidence he was abusive, where does a one game suspension come from? Either he's guilty or not. Six games or none.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/20/nfl-security-moved-josh-browns-ex-wife-to-new-hotel-room-at-the-pro-bowl/related/
AlbertBreer
(2/2) The league says Josh Brown tried to get to Molly, and Molly called security, and was moved, and that was the end of it.
10/20/16, 2:02 PM
"and that was the end of it"..
GJGE NFL.... Bang up job you did
AlbertBreer
Giants owner John Mara on Josh Brown: "He admitted to us he'd abused his wife in the past. What's a little unclear is the extent of that."
10/20/16, 2:30 PM
This is a joke....
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John Mara on WFAN admitted they knew he'd abused his wife in the past but were confident in his rehabilitation attempts. What a load of shit. Just say you didn't care about it because he was the best option for your team at the time. The Giants come off looking absolutely horrible in this. This is the same Mara that led the charge in Deflategate.
"He admitted to us he'd abused his wife in the past. What's a little unclear is the extent of that.""
IT SHOULDN'T MATTER THE EXTENT!!!!!! he admitted he abused his wife in the past and you turn a blind fucking eye to it? You should have cut his ass on the spot...
The NFL has never given a shit about women, and those "NO MORE" ad spots look even more like a money grab farce
IT SHOULDN'T MATTER THE EXTENT!!!!!! he admitted he abused his wife in the past and you turn a blind fucking eye to it? You should have cut his ass on the spot...
The NFL has never given a shit about women, and those "NO MORE" ad spots look even more like a money grab farce
One-on-one, Roger typically goes along with whatever the particular owner wants. The problem for Kraft was all the owners who wanted the Pats to get walloped, plus the pro-Jets elements of NFL HQ.
Only in the NFL can you get in trouble for wearing "unapproved" cleats to honor your late mother, but abusing a women? EH no big deal says the NFL....
Football is Family.
Now we'll see who in the media has a backbone and who just cares about access. Peter King on down should be lighting the NFL and the Mara clan up about this all weekend.
Now we'll see who in the media has a backbone and who just cares about access. Peter King on down should be lighting the NFL and the Mara clan up about this all weekend.
And Roger needed to dispel the growing view of Kraft as "Co-Commissioner" that was going around.
"Paging Giants fan Lisa Friel, Paging Giants fan Lisa Friel. Please report to the firing line."
#scapegoatneededstat
EDIT: Regarding Mara's quote, it's a good thing for him that in the NFL being generally aware of something is not the same as perpetrating something and is therefore not cause for any type of punishment.
#scapegoatneededstat
EDIT: Regarding Mara's quote, it's a good thing for him that in the NFL being generally aware of something is not the same as perpetrating something and is therefore not cause for any type of punishment.
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To begin with, she is a devout Giants fan, a season-ticket holder whose basement in her Brooklyn apartment is, as The Daily Beast once reported, a blue-and-red shrine to the Jints. Among her earliest memories of growing up in New Jersey is watching a Giants game on a black-and-white television and asking her father: “Who are we rooting for, Daddy? The ones in the black uniforms or the ones in the white uniforms?”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/sports/football/lisa-friel-ex-prosecutor-finds-plenty-to-do-as-the-nfls-top-investigator.html
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There was damning abuse evidence in a public document in Brown's divorce. Some job the NFL and the Giants did in "investigating". What a complete joke.
http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-always-had-access-to-the-josh-brown-documents-1788037941
http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-always-had-access-to-the-josh-brown-documents-1788037941
Well, it's not as though they had a spare $20M around to spend on the investigation
Don't worry, by the time the last BA flight leaves NY for London tonight Ted Wells will have done an 'independent investigation' that demosntrates Brown is actually innocent. Problem solved!
How long until we see the ill advised JB highlight video set to Destiny's Child's "Survivor" tweeted by the Giants/NFL?
Tom E. Curran has to be, just has to be the best local sports media member going now... Thoughtful, detailed, and curious:
http://media.weei.com/a/117155297/mut-curran-on-the-seemingly-mishandled-josh-gordon-domestic-abuse-investigation.htm#cxrecs_s
http://media.weei.com/a/117155297/mut-curran-on-the-seemingly-mishandled-josh-gordon-domestic-abuse-investigation.htm#cxrecs_s
Holy crap is the NFL incompetent
http://mynorthwest.com/430607/john-urquhart-fires-back-at-nfl/
Much more at the link
GJGE NFL, who the fuck is running security at your place?
http://mynorthwest.com/430607/john-urquhart-fires-back-at-nfl/
@RedOctober3829
Much more at the link
GJGE NFL, who the fuck is running security at your place?
If you read more of the backstory from the Deadspin author, it's pretty clear that NFL Security is populated by a bunch of buffoons.
I understand that the NFL is full of incompetent people, but I'm a little confused why this Sherrif Urquhart is making a big deal about NFL investigators not identifying themselves when at the same time he says he wouldn't give it to them anyway.
I'm sure I'm missing something, but that statement seems odd.
Edit: I guess it depends on what "help out more" means. But at least one investigator did identify herself, so it's kind of hard to figure out what is really going on.
The first initial reports I saw painted the Kings County Police as almost negligent in denying the NFL information with the NFL spin machine at full throttle after the documents were released yesterday. Shockingly, not the truth.
Why didn't the NFL "Investigators" have NFL.com email addresses and or faxes from the NFL Park Ave offices making inquiries? Instead they had gumshoes making queries, who were told to pound sand. Per Soxhop's link
"Same went for a Seattle police officer who claimed to work for the NFL. Urquhart said if the league had gone through proper public disclosure channels, the request would have gone straight to Urquhart, who would have been able to help out more.
“I would have said exactly the same thing, ‘We cannot release the case file.’ But since this is a hot-button item in the NFL, since it’s the NFL, we probably would have told them orally a little bit more about what we had …” he said. “We’ve got some goofus from Woodinville named Rob Agnew asking for the case file. We have no idea who he is.”
The other question is why is Brown keeping a journal of his assaults on his spouse now ex spouse? He is another level of creepy.
Why didn't the NFL "Investigators" have NFL.com email addresses and or faxes from the NFL Park Ave offices making inquiries? Instead they had gumshoes making queries, who were told to pound sand. Per Soxhop's link
"Same went for a Seattle police officer who claimed to work for the NFL. Urquhart said if the league had gone through proper public disclosure channels, the request would have gone straight to Urquhart, who would have been able to help out more.
“I would have said exactly the same thing, ‘We cannot release the case file.’ But since this is a hot-button item in the NFL, since it’s the NFL, we probably would have told them orally a little bit more about what we had …” he said. “We’ve got some goofus from Woodinville named Rob Agnew asking for the case file. We have no idea who he is.”
The other question is why is Brown keeping a journal of his assaults on his spouse now ex spouse? He is another level of creepy.
Man I don't see the issue. It's not like he was supposedly deflating footballs or celebrating a touchdown in an excessive way. Let it go people!!
The NFL got a free pass during the whole Ray Rice thing, somehow. I mean they got bad media coverage but no one lost their jobs. People should stay on the NFL with this one. They knew the extent and then almost made a mockery of it with Maras comments and Brown being allowed to play after 1 game. However, I believe Roger is 100% safe which is a shame.
Part of all this is how teams and players react to the punishment. The only one who has seemed to have any remorse over the last two years regarding DV is Ray Rice which he should. I actually wouldn't care if Rice did get another shot in the NFL based on how he has handled himself the last 2 years. Guys like Brown Hardy etc could care less and are enabled by Goodell Mara and others. It's disgusting
The NFL got a free pass during the whole Ray Rice thing, somehow. I mean they got bad media coverage but no one lost their jobs. People should stay on the NFL with this one. They knew the extent and then almost made a mockery of it with Maras comments and Brown being allowed to play after 1 game. However, I believe Roger is 100% safe which is a shame.
Part of all this is how teams and players react to the punishment. The only one who has seemed to have any remorse over the last two years regarding DV is Ray Rice which he should. I actually wouldn't care if Rice did get another shot in the NFL based on how he has handled himself the last 2 years. Guys like Brown Hardy etc could care less and are enabled by Goodell Mara and others. It's disgusting
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Those who are hoping that Goodell is going to be hurt by this need to accept that he'll emerge largely unscathed. Mara's comments above - especially the second one, where he admits that they knew about the abuse but not "the extent of that" - means that he's going to be the fall guy here. (I can almost see Goodell at the podium claiming that Mara did not share his knowledge with NFL security ...)
Now, he's an NFL owner from one of the founding families, so there's not much that can be done to punish him. But it will be a pleasure watching his reputation melt down over the coming weeks.
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Curran article from yesterday. Great stuff
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/tom-e-curran-in-josh-brown-suspension-nfl-again-asleep-at-the-switch