The sixers and building a winner

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bowiac

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I have no argument with the stats that say okafor was a bad player last year, but isn't the real question what do you think he'll be in another year or two? I have no insight, but I'd like to know what people with a deeper understanding of him and his game think.
That's obviously the real question, yes. I was responding to London's argument that Okafor was already a good offensive player, and should have value on that basis right now. That doesn't seem to be the case to me, but yes, he could improve and be a useful player certainly.
 

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And the mess that is Philly's big men continues, Nerlens speaks the truth:

"I think it's just silly . . . this situation that we are in now with three starting centers," Noel said on the eve of the Sixers' media day. "With the departure of [former general manager and president] Sam Hinkie, I would have figured that management would be able to get something done this summer."

"I feel like it definitely needs to be figured out," he said. "I think at the end of the day, again, you have three starting-caliber centers. And it's just not going to work to anybody's advantage having that on the same team. That's how I'm looking at it. I'm not opposed to anything, but things need to be situated."

Noel said he wasn't speaking negatively about the team's other starting-caliber centers, Embiid and Jahlil Okafor. Nor was he speaking for them.

"Don't get me wrong. We all get along great on the court and off the court," Noel said. "But at the end of the day, it's like having three starting quarterbacks. It doesn't make any sense."

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20160926_Nerlens_Noel__Sixers_situation__doesn_t_make_any_sense_.html
 

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It may be true but can anyone blame the Sixers for waiting to see what Embiid can do when he finally takes the court and if he can stay on it, before making any moves? They are going to restrict Embiid from playing on back to back games, so there will be plenty of minutes for Noel and Okafor early in the season until they are surer about Embiid's durability going forward.
 

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I blame them for drafting Okafor in the first place in an era where even one center is too much at times, and for still not addressing it as he loses value. You can go back in this thread, I questioned the move on draft day and ever since.
 

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Okafor was just a bad pick, but in fairness at the time Embiid was a total question mark.
I think the stories than have been out there about Hinkie preferring and ownership getting involved, if true, would be the beginning of the end of Hinkie in hindsight.
That plus the mistakes around the PG position and the horrendous start to the year.

At this point I don't know what they can do, if there is an injury to a contender Noel could be interesting option to trade, I just am unclear how that happens where someone wants Okafor right now. And I would rather keep Noel and move Okafor if possible. But this seems unlikely right now.

Maybe some useful player wants out and a GM is willing to take a cheap 3 year deal for Okafor and see what they can do with him. But.... man it sure looks right now as though all are going to be there, plus Grant plus Holmes plus Brand and of course Saric and Simmons. I just have no idea what they think will happen for this to magically work out.
I mean Vikings and Bradford is a counter example elsewhere I guess, but that seems wishful thinking.
 

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It may be true but can anyone blame the Sixers for waiting to see what Embiid can do when he finally takes the court and if he can stay on it, before making any moves? They are going to restrict Embiid from playing on back to back games, so there will be plenty of minutes for Noel and Okafor early in the season until they are surer about Embiid's durability going forward.
Nerlens needs to shut his free agent mouth up. The only tradeable center on the Sixers this summer was Okafor due to Nerlens contract situation and Okafor shouldn't be given away so Nerlens can get minutes, more empty numbers, and be paid by someone else next summer. Of course Noel wants these other guys gone......he's in a contract year. Embiid is the wildcard and the Sixers were in no rush to move Okafor without knowing if Embiid could remain healthy while recognizing Noel is possibly gone within 12 months.

Yeah I get he's frustrated but to call out your new GM on the eve of training camp probably isn't the professional way to approach this. He's gonna get paid by a sucker next summer anyway......suck it up and shut the f-up.
 

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Injury Update: Ben Simmons Fractures Bone in Foot

Philadelphia 76ers forward Ben Simmons rolled his right ankle during the final scrimmage of the team's 2016 Training Camp at Stockton University earlier today.

After receiving an X-ray and MRI of the foot and ankle, the images were reviewed by Sixers Head Physician Dr. Christopher Dodson and Sixers Chief Medical Officer and Co-Chief of Sports Medicine Orthopedics at New York's Mount Sinai Medical Center Dr. Jonathan Glashow.

It was determined that Simmons suffered a fracture of the fifth metatarsal bone of his right foot.

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/simmons-suffers-ankle-fracture
 

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This sucks for everybody involved. Obviously for Simmons and the Sixers it is a cruel twist of fate. As an unbiased fan it is a shame because I am so intrigued by his game. What a shitty way to start the season.
 

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That's what she said.
Yea, this is really disappointing to all of basketball. The only positive is that Saric may get to show more of his craziness off. I am excited to see him play, not as much as Simmons, but still.
 

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I'm seeing speculation that, since it's the result of a rolled ankle, it's likely an avulsion, as opposed a Jones fracture, which would have a much shorter recovery timetable. Fingers crossed. I can't think of a player for a division opponent of the teams I root for who I'd be more bummed out to see injured.
 

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This.

(But cheer up, you still have Wentz!)

The bright side to this may be that this will ensure another terrible season, so maybe we'll wind up with the first pick again and can nab the point guard we're missing.
We were still likely one of the 3 worst teams before this but yeah.
Good draft good pick for us and Lakers pick comes over and... Yeah still. If Simmons is out a couple months OK. If he's season type. Ugh, we learn nothing about who can play with him
 

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ESPN and Philly.com are reporting that he has an acute fracture that will require surgery and sideline him for three months.

Sigh...
That's really a shame. He looked like a creative and exciting playmaker in summer league, and a real original for the NBA.
 

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In Camden. As a Philly resident, I'm still annoyed that the 76ers went to Camden.
I actually got to tour it at the ribbon cutting ceremony. Very nice. But, yeah, Camden is a dump. Of course, they went because they got tax credits.
 

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There are so few fans left that I think the team employees outnumber them at this point.
Yup officially had enough of a Troll lurker, who has a frickin' troll as his avatar, and has made over 4,500 posts and somehow hasn't been removed nor made a member.
Pinked. You are the second ever congrats
 

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Saric is fine while Simmons is out.

Saric looks like a solid rotation guy to me. Not a superstar but a team glue fan favourite who everyone wants on their team. Early of course.

Embiid is freaking exciting. He's going to foul out a lot early but with his minute restrictions that isn't a short term issue.

Man it's a bummer that the Lakers took Russell. This team would be great and better balanced.

I think Noel goes (sadly) esp with Holmes looking interesting and no one wanting Okafor.

This would be some fun team to watch with Simmons. I hope he's back and healthy later in the year.
They are going to be bad, the good news is the draft is full of what they need and they might get two shots if the Lakers are not horrendous or they get lucky.

Next year interesting the year after a bit scary, and still with the kings pick post cousins (and swap before) to add.
 

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Just to troll a bit: Embiid has a negative +/- so far in preseason. The team has been dramatically worse offensively with him on the court.
 

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Just to troll a bit: Embiid has a negative +/- so far in preseason. The team has been dramatically worse offensively with him on the court.

You are the best! I'm serious. When are we getting your over/unders?
 

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Nice loss tonight against one of their competitors for worst record. Got out to a big lead early, but pulled it out in the end.
 

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4 games in, and all 4 losses, but NBA media is basically losing their minds over Embiid's potential. His combination of shooting, size, and athleticism is so unique that Kevin O'Connor--a guy who made his name scouting college players--just declared Embiid a better prospect than Towns and Davis.

I'm not willing to go that far yet, but he's definitely a very unique player, and if it turns out he stays healthy from here on out the Sixers have an elite player. That really changes the narrative around Hinkie. Suddenly the future's a lot brighter there.
 

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That's what she said.
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/17987572/joel-embiid-future-superstar-philadelphia-76ers-nba

Ford and Pelton talking about Embiid and Simmons. Mentions that they tried to get Avery Bradley, does that mean that Coangelo thinks he can get an First Team All NBA Defense player on a super team friendly contract for Nerlens or Okafor? Sooner or later one of those guys is going to be elsewhere and the return is going to be Lou Williams at the best or the corpse of Lance Stephenson at the worst.
 

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Embiid is awesome and I'm terrified he gets hurt.

Okafor is so freaking lazy. I'm officially over him. I'd trade him for a bag of balls if means they keep Noel.
 

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That Embiid move is just a classic Hakeem Olajuwon move.And I don't think I ve ever seen a center pull it off it since he did.
 

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That Embiid move is just a classic Hakeem Olajuwon move.And I don't think I ve ever seen a center pull it off it since he did.
Honestly isn't that hard of a move if you can palm the ball but most big men are so stiff with their movements whereas Embiid is clearly gifted.
 

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Honestly isn't that hard of a move if you can palm the ball but most big men are so stiff with their movements whereas Embiid is clearly gifted.
The Rondo-esque show-and-go was nice, but I was more impressed by his handle to get to the hoop. That's crazy for a guy his size. If he stays healthy, the sky is the limit.

Okafor, on the other hand, needs to get a clue on defense, and he needs to do it quick, because he's gonna be borderline unplayable with the rest of the league pick-and-rolling him to death.
 

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The Rondo-esque show-and-go was nice, but I was more impressed by his handle to get to the hoop. That's crazy for a guy his size. If he stays healthy, the sky is the limit.

Okafor, on the other hand, needs to get a clue on defense, and he needs to do it quick, because he's gonna be borderline unplayable with the rest of the league pick-and-rolling him to death.
Agreed. Embiid's combination of footwork, hand eye coordination, and raw athleticism is tantalizing. Poor Hinkie!

Okafor is a square peg trying to be fit through a round hole. Philly may regret not trading him for whatever they could have gotten during the 2016 draft.
 

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Honestly isn't that hard of a move if you can palm the ball but most big men are so stiff with their movements whereas Embiid is clearly gifted.
There hasn't been a big since Olajuwon and none prior who could effectively pull off this move. Without the quickness to be deceptive that shot gets thrown back in the face of 99.9% of bigs who try it. That's like saying Kareem's sky hook was an easy shot but bigs simply don't try it.
 
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