It already is a shitshow. Pomerantz could blow out his already injured arm that they lied about tomorrow too. There was no way the Red Sox could ask to have the trade revoked in August, the trade deadline had passed and we were in a pennant race.
At this point, yes. The Sox are tossing him out there every fifth day (more or less), yes? At what point do the Sox become responsible if Pomeranz is injured while the Sox knowingly put him out there with suspicions as to the info they were given. Sox get nothing, but SD should be punished more severely IMO.
I'm not sure the Sox are in a position to ask or receive much after reading this. Seems like the Sox were aware of the injury prior to making the trade, and pulled the trigger regardless. Even if San Diego was dishonest in their record-keeping of the injury, the Sox were aware of it and made the trade anyways. The argument that Boston did not know what it was getting and therefore deserves compensation doesn't seem to work here. Should San Diego be punished for lying? Yes, and more severely. Should the Sox get anything more because of injury they were aware of? Doubtful at best.
So something other than what you asked.
It was reported in the papers and links posted here. Either that or it was in one of Alex Speier's e-mails, which you should be reading.
Okay, the Commissioner says the Padres have to rework the trade. The Padres say there is no combination of Sox prospects they want that isn't Anderson Espinoza and they'd just as soon have Pomeranz back. The Sox say fuck that they want to keep Pomeranz. The Commissioner does what?
I'd think the right way to handle it would be more like this:
I agree it would be difficult to exactly quantify what the Sox lost, if not impossible because of all the variables and uncertainties. I also think it's entirely beside the point. I believe one good option is to force the parties, if they can be convinced, to negotiate a settlement. If they can't, the arbitrate. Throwing up their hands and saying "too hard" seems weak to me. Settlements rarely leave both parties pleased, but it provides a resolution. The Preller suspension is like (danger: analogy alert) having a neighbor kid throw a rock through your window and being told that the remedy for you is that he will have his XBox taken away for a month. If the suspension is MLB's final act, then I think they shit the bed (again, the caveat would be that they already approached the Sox after the investigation and suspension, and the Sox told them they will not be pursuing it anymore - the latter of which would be bothersome to me as a fan of the club but that's a different subject).
Why give the Padres any choice in their punishment? Collect ALL info in EVERY transaction since this policy of separate books has been in place, weigh it all as a whole and punish them accordingly.
I read something yesterday saying it was a closed issue for the Sox portion of this and that MLB would have no further comment.
Yeah. Me too. Having some Boston fans advocating for an excessive punishment for a minor crime is already weird enough. But such is fandom.
As to your last point, I think they did, and were denied.
Nope. Just an obvious interpretation of what I asked. I didn't think I had to walk everyone through what was obvious--its a punishment, obviously, so I said "agreed to" because the teams, and not MLB, would ultimately be told to negotiate a player to replace AE. I'll say it again--it doesn't matter what the Padres want at the point that decision is made, which is pretty clear from what I wrote. You're right though, it is possible to take what I wrote in such a way as to produce the long-winded snarky responses you're giving that clearly miss the point, so acknowledging you do roam these halls I should probably have made that even more airtight. But I didn't, and boy isn't this fun?
Not every post is a springboard for your Online Baseball Genius persona, Ras. It was just someone floating an idea and curious for some responses. Yours was pretty easy to dismiss because it didn't make sense. It happens. No one's whining. I truly couldn't care less what ultimately happens, as is abundantly clear from everything I've written in this thread.
Well, teams need good players. If no one deals with Preller, at some point they will when he wants to trade someone decent and the price gets low enough.
Being forced to only make trades when you sell low is not a viable long-term strategy for success.
Might be best to move this to the quarantine area in BBtL before the contagion spreads.
"Sufficient punishment" and "sufficient compensation" are separate questions, though. I think the Sox deserve more compensation than most non-Sox fans seem to, which I guess just means I'm a fan and therefore FOS as all fans are. But regardless, you could easily give the Padres a harsher punishment without specifically benefiting the Sox at all.
Not Aaron Boone. He was concerned about new and more paperwork. What a dick.
His opinion is all well and good and he's entitled to it. But the problem is that he's assuming that the Padres documented the major issues and just didn't send the Red Sox and Marlins the file that included Asprin and hang nails. I believe that if this was the case no one would care.
Actually, I think the MLB punishment specific to the Red Sox portion sort of implies it. I think we'll get a better idea when we see what happens with the infractions involving other teams.
They thought it would help them win the division. It did. Unless you have an option for who would have taken his turns in the rotation, that is.
There's no indication that he won't pitch in the playoffs. The current plan is to get him into a game in relief this weekend and go from there. That is most likely what would be happening even without the injury.
Oh, totally agree. What I was trying to get at (and failed, clearly) is that he's now a big question mark heading into the playoffs, which can't make the Sox too happy knowing what they do about SD's shenanigans.
True, he *did* surpass his career high in innings this season. I guess while it can't be conclusively stated that the undisclosed SD "injury" (or whatever it is) is the cause for the soreness, it also can't be ruled out.
That has nothing to do with the price they paid, which is likely more than they would have given up with full disclosure.
This assumes that "full disclosure" would have actually made Pomeranz tainted goods in some way. I mean, if it turns out all the Padres "hid" about Pomeranz is he takes 400mg of Aleve every day and the Red Sox usually prefer players take Tylenol (just to make up a dramatically simplistic hypothetical), does that really diminish his value?
I agree...I guess we'll just never know if his arm soreness now is just due to how many innings he's pitched or if it's stemming from something the Padres didn't disclose prior to the trade deadline. Taking an anti-inflammatory every day prior to the trade certainly sounds like he already had something going on in his arm, but we don't know for sure.
I'd put my money on it being Toradol that Pomeranz was taking. The Red Sox are not big fans of it after it put Buchholz in the hospital with internal bleeding. But it's still used by many despite it being so dangerous.
Sure, but they paid a premium to get a guy who would be a) good enough to displace our 4th-best starter as part of our playoff rotation and b) on a long-enough contract to plan on him being part of the rotation beyond 2016. And even at the time, people worried aloud that Pomeranz's innings and injury history, respectively, made each of those a risky proposition. I can't imagine that knowing he was being treated for elbow pain wouldn't have exacerbated those concerns and made paying the premium an even worse idea.
