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But if Williams gets out of bounds immediately, that would have been about a 62 yard FG attempt. I mean, yeah he should have done it anyway, but you can kind of see his thought process towards picking up more yards first.
Sure. If you have a timeout, of course you try to get an extra couple yards. Without a timeout, those extra couple yards that would have helped the kicker now ensure that the kicker won't even have a chance to attempt the FG. Ergo, he's a fucking idiot.

Put another way, which would you rather have: an unlikely 62-yard FG attempt or no FG attempt at all?
 

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I want to say there were 13 seconds left. That's right on the edge of being able to reasonably expect to get two plays off. But the fact that he ran out there and did that little shimmy and went up field completely killed the clock.

Edit: There were 12 seconds left.
“I should have just gone out of bounds and just live to the next play,” Williams said. “I should have just followed procedures and should have just gone out of bounds.

“I was just too busy and I’m too much into the game, and it’s just something I should have just followed the rules.”
No shit, fuckstick.
 

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Sure. If you have a timeout, of course you try to get an extra couple yards. Without a timeout, those extra couple yards that would have helped the kicker now ensure that the kicker won't even have a chance to attempt the FG. Ergo, he's a fucking idiot.

Put another way, which would you rather have: an unlikely 62-yard FG attempt or no FG attempt at all?
No no I agree with you, he made a huge mistake. Just noting that he was actually thinking about it, just came to the wrong conclusion because of the distance of the kick.
 

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With Bailey as your kicker, it's more of an error than usual. That dude can crush the ball and he's accurate too.
 

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I want to say there were 13 seconds left. That's right on the edge of being able to reasonably expect to get two plays off. But the fact that he ran out there and did that little shimmy and went up field completely killed the clock.

Edit: There were 12 seconds left.
I think there were 12 seconds on the clock at the snap. I recall rewinding it at the time and estimating that had cut right and gone out of bounds immediately that there would be 6/7 seconds left. Enough time for a quick out for five yard out or something then robo-leg to come kick the game winner.
 

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I think there were 12 seconds on the clock at the snap. I recall rewinding it at the time and estimating that had cut right and gone out of bounds immediately that there would be 6/7 seconds left. Enough time for a quick out for five yard out or something then robo-leg to come kick the game winner.
That's what I meant - that there were 12 seconds left at the snap. Sorry that I wasn't clear.
 

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No no I agree with you, he made a huge mistake. Just noting that he was actually thinking about it, just came to the wrong conclusion because of the distance of the kick.
This cannot be accurate no matter how you look at it. If he goes out of bounds, the Cowboys have a small chance (but a chance) to win the game via either a long FG or a Hail Mary. If he doesn't go out of bounds, even if he picks up 20 extra yards, the Cowboys have a 0% chance to win the game. He ran straight into two defenders and picked up a handful of yards.

There is no excuse or argument as to him thinking he was doing the best thing for the team. Because the thing he did guaranteed they couldn't win.
 

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Obviously he thought he could pick up a couple of extra yards and still get out of bounds. He was laughably wrong, but I don't think he thought he could be tackled in-bounds and still have a shot at winning.
 

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Obviously he thought he could pick up a couple of extra yards and still get out of bounds. He was laughably wrong, but I don't think he thought he could be tackled in-bounds and still have a shot at winning.
He never even motioned to the sidelines. Didn't he actually cut back slightly left after he caught the ball and his momentum was moving him right?

He was thinking yards the entire time, when the only thought in his head post catch should have been, "RUN TO THE SIDELINES AS FAST AS YOU CAN." The fact that it wasn't in head is why it was a humongous blunder.
 

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He never even motioned to the sidelines. Didn't he actually cut back slightly left after he caught the ball and his momentum was moving him right?

He was thinking yards the entire time, when the only thought in his head post catch should have been, "RUN TO THE SIDELINES AS FAST AS YOU CAN." The fact that it wasn't in head is why it was a humongous blunder.
Because it bears repeating how monumentally stupid he is:
“I should have just gone out of bounds and just live to the next play,” Williams said. “I should have just followed procedures and should have just gone out of bounds.

I was just too busy and I’m too much into the game, and it’s just something I should have just followed the rules.”
 

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The replay even shows Dez ahead of him motioning for him to go out of bounds. Sad.
Dez does a lot of stuff right, is more of a team player than he's given credit for, and wants to win as much as any player in the league. At the risk of sounding like an arrogant Pats fan, I could see him getting a valedictory year in Foxboro at some point.
 

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I would argue that Dez is one of the most underutilized players of the last 5 years. The guy should be getting at least 10 targets / game and has only averaged that once. He's completely unstoppable.
 

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I would argue that Dez is one of the most underutilized players of the last 5 years. The guy should be getting at least 10 targets / game and has only averaged that once. He's completely unstoppable.
As a person who habitually has him on my fantasy teams I can't agree more... When he gets touches he's extremely productive, I figured this season with a legit RB, QB(oops) and additional receivers he would get the Moss play scheme when he was with the Pats and force the defense to constantly double him allowing more freedom for others.
 

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As a person who habitually has him on my fantasy teams I can't agree more... When he gets touches he's extremely productive, I figured this season with a legit RB, QB(oops) and additional receivers he would get the Moss play scheme when he was with the Pats and force the defense to constantly double him allowing more freedom for others.
That's pretty much what happened on Sunday. That's why Beasley was targeted so much (also because the rookie QB needed a safety valve). The problem for the Cowboys isn't Dez, it's Williams. If they had a WR on the other side who could make defenses pay for the constant double teams on Dez, you'd see a lot less of that. But unless Williams is played wide open by a coverage gaffe or he somehow manages to run by his coverage, he's constantly invisible. Romo has always been good at throwing him open but that's not something you can depend on an erratic rookie to do.

I'm not saying they need star level production from that roster spot - that would be impossible. I'm saying they just need some level of consistency, which they have not and will not ever get from Williams.
 

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I didn't get a chance to see or listen to this game. Stats indicate that it was a solid performance by Dak but would love to hear any reviews or thoughts...
 

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Cowboys DE Randy Gregory withdrew appeal of his 10-game suspension for multiple violations of NFL's Substance Abuse policy and now will be suspended through week 14, league sources tell me and Todd Archer. Gregory is first eligible to return in week 15.
 

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I didn't get a chance to see or listen to this game. Stats indicate that it was a solid performance by Dak but would love to hear any reviews or thoughts...
His footwork is poor. You can see where he would have problems with three step drops on his throws to Dez out of the shotgun. He had success throwing to Dez, but he has a lot of unnecessary movement, and swings his back foot. The play action passes to the tight ends and Beasley have led to big plays, and Dallas has been one of the best offenses in the first two weeks converting third downs, time of possession, and limiting penalties. Dak hasn't had a interception, or any turnover in his first two games as a rookie. All four of their offensive touchdowns are rushing, two on first and goal, and one on second and goal. Their next game is against the Bears(playing on a short week from Monday night vs. Eagles) at home. Dak is talented, and he looks like he has everything except for passing/decision making in the pocket.
 

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Dak's footwork and his arm look a bit suspect to me. He's played great and if he can be a solid game manager that's going to keep the Cowboys in the mix. But even some passes that were good results, I remember in particular a 3rd and long conversion to Beasley on the left sideline, good outcome but the throw took a LONG time to get there.
He strikes me as a perfectly good backup with some upside, esp given what they've had, but you can't expect him to carry a team very often. I don't know he has the arm talent to be a long term starter. I could be wrong, I'm not a scout but I think that's not unfair.
 

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No, I think you're right London. After two games of actual work, his arm definitely looks below average to me. He's made good decisions thus far and he's keeping the Cowboys in games but one thing I've noticed is that his medium depth passes appear to have a tendency to float. Whether that's due to lack of arm strength or tentativeness is difficult to say. I also noticed he's thrown a few quackers that will eventually get picked off and/or get his receivers killed.

We still don't have enough of a sample to be able to determine whether or not we can chalk his success up to quality of competition but I suspect it is. We also know that teams are beginning to write a book on him and he's going to run into a wall sooner rather than later. As a result of this, I have a sneaking suspicion that by Week 8-10 when Romo is ready to return, the refrain from idiot Cowboys fans that we no longer need Tony will be long replaced by desperate pleas for his return.

TLDR version: Prescott looks like a more athletic Kyle Orton to me. Orton was fine in a pinch and put together a decent career as a result but that's not the type of guy you build your franchise around.
 

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That seems about right to me re Orton 2.1, with some upside potential as he's still young, and there's always a chance some tweak can make a difference, and as you say it could be some confidence too. so not impossible there's more there.
But I 100% agree, good useful player, and given cap issues a great price for that, but I'd not be thinking I'd found me QB for a decade.
 

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Thanks for the insight. I always thought of Orton as having a decent long ball, at least in Denver. The little I saw of Dak it seemed like arm strength may be an issue. But maybe the fact that it was his first game had something to do with that.
 

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Some more designed runs for Dak would probably do well for the offense since they haven't run too many of them the first two weeks and teams may start defending the pass a bit more against him. I agree they aren't going to get by on just his arm. They'll have to mix it up.
 

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Thanks for the insight. I always thought of Orton as having a decent long ball, at least in Denver. The little I saw of Dak it seemed like arm strength may be an issue. But maybe the fact that it was his first game had something to do with that.
He hasn't thrown a long ball yet in the regular season but he did throw a deep ball in the preseason to Terrance Williams (it was either against LA or Miami) that was right on the money. Obviously, the SSS sirens should be going off in your head but I've seen no evidence that he's not capable of throwing a good deep ball - didn't watch him much in college so I can't speak to his experience there. I have a feeling we'll find out soon enough though, once teams start stacking the box and that necessitates Linehan taking off the kid gloves.
 

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Some more designed runs for Dak would probably do well for the offense since they haven't run too many of them the first two weeks and teams may start defending the pass a bit more against him. I agree they aren't going to get by on just his arm. They'll have to mix it up.
I would definitely like to see them give him some opportunities to throw on the run. I think they could do some damage with plays like that. Coverage has a tendency to break down when the QB gets out of the pocket, so that might be a good opportunity to get the ball into the hands of Elliott and Williams in space.
 

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He gives far too much respect to pass defense right now.

2nd and goal from the 6, 5:47 left in the 3rd quarter.

I'm going to guess his first read was Dez(88) against Breeland(26). He gives a quick glance and looks off. After that first read, he looks like he committed to run.

Cullen Jenkins(73) collapses the pocket, and Prescott begins to run. The linebackers(Mason Foster, not in picture, and Will Compton(51)) are at the goal line. Compton will cover Ezekiel Elliot(21), Deangelo Hall will cover Jason Witten(82) so Prescott has a chance at scoring on the run by beating Mason Foster.



As Prescott runs forward a couple yards, the play progresses. Jason Witten puts his hand up as he runs right past Hall. Hall is stuck in between covering Witten and playing the QB run, and jumps inside for the run.



Deangelo Hall wasn't even close to touching him when he scored the touchdown.



Great first two games, but Dak hasn't shown that he can throw downfield. Not saying he can't, just that he hasn't. There should be some opportunities in the Bears game at home.
 

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I would definitely like to see them give him some opportunities to throw on the run. I think they could do some damage with plays like that. Coverage has a tendency to break down when the QB gets out of the pocket, so that might be a good opportunity to get the ball into the hands of Elliott and Williams in space.

Dunbar too on 3rd down. That dude is pretty lethal assuming he's healthy again.
 

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Great first two games, but Dak hasn't shown that he can throw downfield. Not saying he can't, just that he hasn't. There should be some opportunities in the Bears game at home.
That's an excellent breakdown. Witten does appear to be open when he does that pump fake. Maybe he was afraid Breeland would peel off of his coverage and pick off that pass? Even though he has his back to the play at that exact moment, it does speak to an element of gunshyness. Which is bizarre, considering where we came from with Romo as a young QB.

Dunbar too on 3rd down. That dude is pretty lethal assuming he's healthy again.
He doesn't look 100% to me. In addition to likely lacking confidence in his knee, he may be suffering from a lack of confidence in himself, since the ACL tear was a direct result of a monumentally stupid decision. As long as he picks up where he left off in his pass protection duties, I'll be ok with them giving him as much time as he needs.
 

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He gives far too much respect to pass defense right now.

2nd and goal from the 6, 5:47 left in the 3rd quarter.

I'm going to guess his first read was Dez(88) against Breeland(26). He gives a quick glance and looks off. After that first read, he looks like he committed to run.

Cullen Jenkins(73) collapses the pocket, and Prescott begins to run. The linebackers(Mason Foster, not in picture, and Will Compton(51)) are at the goal line. Compton will cover Ezekiel Elliot(21), Deangelo Hall will cover Jason Witten(82) so Prescott has a chance at scoring on the run by beating Mason Foster.



As Prescott runs forward a couple yards, the play progresses. Jason Witten puts his hand up as he runs right past Hall. Hall is stuck in between covering Witten and playing the QB run, and jumps inside for the run.



Deangelo Hall wasn't even close to touching him when he scored the touchdown.



Great first two games, but Dak hasn't shown that he can throw downfield. Not saying he can't, just that he hasn't. There should be some opportunities in the Bears game at home.
Really nice analysis.
 

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That's an excellent breakdown. Witten does appear to be open when he does that pump fake. Maybe he was afraid Breeland would peel off of his coverage and pick off that pass? Even though he has his back to the play at that exact moment, it does speak to an element of gunshyness. Which is bizarre, considering where we came from with Romo as a young QB.
Maybe he doesn't quite trust his arm? Romo had a cannon and wasn't afraid to squeeze it in there much to the dismay of Parcells at the time. (Recall that 2006 road game against the Giants where he rifled an out pattern for a key first down late that was nearly picked off...Parcells was chewing him out on the sideline despite the favorable outcome).

The consensus is Dak doesn't have a big arm so perhaps that is a factor in his caution...even though it wouldn't take a strong arm to throw a TD to Witten there. I think you are right though that Linehan will take off the kids gloves at some point and maybe only then Dak will gain more confidence throwing downfield.
 

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Ha! What makes it even funnier is that the Dallas Morning News published it.
 

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That really bums me out. The line has looked really good this year with Collins. Let's hope Leary is up to the task.

At least it looks like Dez may be ok. I thought for sure we'd lost him and Beasley for a good portion of the season within like five minutes of each other.
 

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Sidebar, but I never understand how hairline fractures have become such a nothing injury in the NFL. I had a hairline fracture of my arm when I was like....8 or 9 and my body was chock full of healing stuff, and it hurt like a son of a bitch for at least 2 months and still hurt for another month. I get that medicine is better and all, but shit are these guys tough.
 

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For sure. I'd imagine they shot him up full of the very best stuff available just so he could finish that game.
 

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Sidebar, but I never understand how hairline fractures have become such a nothing injury in the NFL. I had a hairline fracture of my arm when I was like....8 or 9 and my body was chock full of healing stuff, and it hurt like a son of a bitch for at least 2 months and still hurt for another month. I get that medicine is better and all, but shit are these guys tough.
I think it's very person and injury specific. I had a hairline fracture in my femur right above the knee when I was 16. Really wasn't too bad and I was (like an idiot) walking normally in about 10 days.

I was never happier to hear I had a broken bone. At the urgent care place there was so much swelling in my knee they couldn't see it first time around and told me I probably blew my ACL.
 

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Im not sure if this was an angry fan who wanted to throw something at Jerry Jones, or an idiot that wanted an autograph who thought throwing something like a helmet at JJ would be a good idea
 

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I couldn't see much of this game, but looked like the running game was working.

How was Dak? Good numbers again, but nothing deep again, which leads me to think perhaps the accuracy improvement from college is real but he still doesn't have a big arm.

Anyone down with Dak > Romo
 

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I couldn't see much of this game, but looked like the running game was working.

How was Dak? Good numbers again, but nothing deep again, which leads me to think perhaps the accuracy improvement from college is real but he still doesn't have a big arm.

Anyone down with Dak > Romo
No one with a fully functioning brain thinks Prescott is the preferred solution over Romo at this point in time. Of course, I just described roughly 5% of Cowboys fans, so take that for what it's worth.

I thought he was only ok. He missed some really easy throws on the sideline that would have resulted in key first downs but they were thrown too high. He's lucky to have gotten out of the game without an interception, since he had a throw in the first quarter that went right to a defender, only to have it clang off his hands. He had other throws that would have resulted in longer plays had they been thrown accurately (I'm thinking specifically of the third down screen to Dunbar which would have gotten them a first down had Dunbar not had to stop and turn around for the ball).

He did make some good throws and managed the game well enough but his only deep throw was the touchdown to Williams, which was a heave it up, "here, go make a play on the ball" type of pass. I like his poise and his athleticism is definitely an asset but I still don't see a long-term solution there - though I know I'm in a vanishing minority. To borrow a Bill Parcells term, Prescott looks like a bus driver to me. That's perfectly fine for a stopgap or if you have a top 5 defense (oh, hello Trent Dilfer) but this team will need to outscore people and he doesn't quite fit that mold.

I have a feeling the next three games are going to quiet the anti-Romo sentiment quite a bit (losing all three of those games is a near-certainty). I know they're targeting the Philly game for his return but that's a recipe for getting him killed right out of the gate yet again. I'd much rather they wait until Cleveland and let him get his feet wet with a JV team. But logic and the Cowboys don't necessarily mix.
 

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I heard that rumor about Romo returning against the Eagles and I was surprised because the Eagles have a very physical front 7, but then again, it will be a high leverage game for playoff spots so who knows.

I thought Prescott looked nice. You are right, he had a few bad throws, but i watched the second and third quarters of the game and thought he made some nice throws and some good decisions. Is Sean Lee 100 percent?
 

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Having Romo come back for the Eagles, assuming the front 4 in particular is playing at a high level still of course, seems crazy pants.
That unit is getting consistent pressure without blitzing, and while I think a lot of people thought Graham and Cox would shine in this system, and the knowledgeable that Logan and Curry would too, but the impact from Barwin is a major surprise for me. Let alone the depth players so far impressing. That would seem a dangerous game for Romo to be rushed into.

I note the Eagles reverse jinx attempt! I see you hahahah

I do think Bengals @ Green Bay is probably the roughest back to back games of the season. Winning either would be a surprise to me, but Bengals do Bengal. At potentially 3-3 at the bye you'd likely not complain given the schedule and ex Romo, but it might make people a little more sensible on Dak.
You are one of that 5%. The 95% are loud too