2016 Houston Texans: Zero Wattage

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Big day for the Texans - signed Brock, Lamar Miller, and Jeff Allen. They have to be the favorites to take that division now.

Have always liked O'Brien, of course - will be interesting to see what he can do with a potentially real QB.
 

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All they needed was a guy to protect the football, and it looks like they got quite a bit more. That Brock to Hopkins combo will be deadly.
 

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I wouldnt over look the jags. With Bortles taking a huge step last year to becoming a competent NFL QB, a pretty stacked set of weapons (Allen Robinson, hurns, yeldon, Thomas and now Ivory) and money to spend on defense they are a squad moving in the right direction.

But really all I care about is the colts getting fucked and squandering Andrew lucks rookie contract.
 

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JJ Watt had back surgery today. He'll start camp on PUP. Some sources say he'll be ready for the season but Mike Garofolo's source says it is not good and could take up to 10 weeks to recover.
On radio this morning they were saying 6-8 weeks post surgery just to get on field, not necessarily play.

Hey--we play them in 8 weeks. Nice.
 

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Sweet baby jesus how annoying will it be to watch the coverage of J.J. Watt's heroic, gritty recovery from what will surely be described as a career threatening injury? I know the national media will mention that he has the worstest injury ever, that his supreme work ethic allowed him to come back months earlier than expected, and there will be lots of media covering his down-to-earth, old school hardhat football, god of the gridiron rehab.
 

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Washed up at 27. That is actually a shame, he was a generational talent and fun to watch. Now he's pretty much done.
 

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I never understood why people were hyping this team even before New England dismantled them. Osweiler is not good and they went 4-7 outside of the division last year. The division is still lousy but they would need a Broncos-level defense and injury luck to make a serious run. The defense is good but not that good.
 

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I never understood why people were hyping this team even before New England dismantled them. Osweiler is not good and they went 4-7 outside of the division last year. The division is still lousy but they would need a Broncos-level defense and injury luck to make a serious run. The defense is good but not that good.
The talk was that Mercilus benefited greatly from a rejuvenated Watt the first couple of games. We'll see what he can do w/o Watt being the focal point (I've got my doubts).

I actually like the Texans due to all the ex-NE connections and they're in the Colts division. This is a shame.
 

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This is a bit hasty, no?
No, I don't think so. The back is a career killer. Tiger Woods can barely hit a golf ball because of his back. Tony Romo had back issues and now he's got chunks of spine in his blood stream. If this was his knee or shoulder, he could come back. But the multiple back problems for a guy like him is not good.
 

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And Gronk has had two back surgeries in his short career. Simple answer is we have no idea whether it will be career impacting.
 

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I never understood why people were hyping this team even before New England dismantled them. Osweiler is not good and they went 4-7 outside of the division last year. The division is still lousy but they would need a Broncos-level defense and injury luck to make a serious run. The defense is good but not that good.
I thought the Texans had upgraded from a bottom-3 QB situation to something within spitting distance of league average, which I thought would be enough to repeat as champions of a much-improved division. I'm not aware that anyone thought that the Texans were a Super Bowl contender, except in the limited sense that any team hosting a home playoff game seemed to have a puncher's chance in a conference that had only one elite team.
 

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I thought the Texans had upgraded from a bottom-3 QB situation to something within spitting distance of league average, which I thought would be enough to repeat as champions of a much-improved division. I'm not aware that anyone thought that the Texans were a Super Bowl contender, except in the limited sense that any team hosting a home playoff game seemed to have a puncher's chance in a conference that had only one elite team.
I agree with this. Osweiler remains a bit of an unknown but I think good coaching can turn him into a serviceable player. Miller, Hopkins, and now Fuller are legitimate weapons. This comes down to BoB's ability to coach to his team's strengths rather than simply imposing a system.

The defense is the larger issue. Frankly, it starts with those sweatpants RAC insists on wearing.
 

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I thought the Texans had upgraded from a bottom-3 QB situation to something within spitting distance of league average, which I thought would be enough to repeat as champions of a much-improved division. I'm not aware that anyone thought that the Texans were a Super Bowl contender, except in the limited sense that any team hosting a home playoff game seemed to have a puncher's chance in a conference that had only one elite team.
Just a few guys but I didn't pull it out of nowhere:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000670723/article/cardinals-texans-headline-teams-that-could-win-first-super-bowl
8 of 20 NFL.com people predicted they'd make (and lose) the AFC Championship
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000694562/article/championship-sunday-predictions-another-cardspack-classic
 

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Made a post a few days ago:
Player A Career 5.5 Sacks 39 Tackles
Player B Career 3 Sacks 33 Tackles
Player C Career 10.5 Sacks 191 Tackles

A= Clowney 6 Million on the cap
B= Malcolm Brown 1.735 cap hit
C= Collins 1.2 cap hit

I know Browns a DT and Collins is a LB while Clowney is a DE....but thats just awesome. Clowney is such a fraud. You have JJ Watt opposite you pulling double teams and you still suck. He was so highly touted. I admit I would have drafted him if I had the opportunity. Thank god we have BB. (and I know he didnt have the opportunity to screw up by drafting him).


Expressing some of my disdain for Clowney. This wont help him.

Too bad about Watt. For as much as i thought Clowney was a generational hype job dissapointment, Watt was a great great player. I still remember many of us thinking and hoping he could make it to us at 17 where we took Solder. Any of Watt Quinn or Kerrigan would have been great picks.
 

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And I was soooo looking forward to seeing pre-game/post-game video of him catching footballs one handed from the jugs machine. I mean, that part of his training is absolutely critical to the skills required for a defensive end.
I've said it once and I'll say it again: one of my big pet peeves with the media and scouting in the NFL is that they all fall so head over heels in love with athleticism that's often not overly relevant to a player's position.

It happens time and time and time again. "How could Tom Brady, a guy with limited athleticism, arm strength, and build, be such a good NFL QB?"

Uh, I dunno...maybe because those aren't the three most important tools that make up a good QB?

Meanwhile, they all drool over RGIII's 40 yard dash, Jay Cutler's big arm, and Johnny Manziel's "elusiveness." They try to dumb these positions down to one or two great feats of athleticism that a guy may have, and forget that the best players in the NFL are often some of the smartest guys on the field.
 

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I've said it once and I'll say it again: one of my big pet peeves with the media and scouting in the NFL is that they all fall so head over heels in love with athleticism that's often not overly relevant to a player's position.

It happens time and time and time again. "How could Tom Brady, a guy with limited athleticism, arm strength, and build, be such a good NFL QB?"

Uh, I dunno...maybe because those aren't the three most important tools that make up a good QB?

Meanwhile, they all drool over RGIII's 40 yard dash, Jay Cutler's big arm, and Johnny Manziel's "elusiveness." They try to dumb these positions down to one or two great feats of athleticism that a guy may have, and forget that the best players in the NFL are often some of the smartest guys on the field.
But but but...Watt stays on the field after practice! Makes him a better player!

Completely agree with you H78, As a football coach, I wouldn't want any of my players wasting their time on activities that are not relevant to their position (or positions they could potentially play). Want to stay late after practice? Absolutely, as long as it is to do something that will make you a better player.
 

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I know its a funny visual, but trying to catch balls from the juggs machine that close has at least some utility (getting hands up while rushing and a qb throw a pass that). It's not like he was running go routes after practice or punting.
 

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There's a lot of hate for JJ up in here. Remember he was used on offense a bit, so it's not like he was totally wasting time.
 

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But but but...Watt stays on the field after practice! Makes him a better player!

Completely agree with you H78, As a football coach, I wouldn't want any of my players wasting their time on activities that are not relevant to their position (or positions they could potentially play). Want to stay late after practice? Absolutely, as long as it is to do something that will make you a better player.
I'm just sad we can't get any more laughs out of Twitter for awhile. I'm guessing he's done posting pictures of himself bleeding for awhile.
 

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There's a lot of hate for JJ up in here. Remember he was used on offense a bit, so it's not like he was totally wasting time.
He's the friend you have whose social media stuff you hate because it's self-aggrandizing about how awesome he is, only he's famous and not my friend. I have heard he's actually a cool person if you get to interact with him.
 

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Brock through 5 games:
58.0%, 6.03 YPA, 6 TD : 7 INT

Last year (8 games):
61.3%, 7.15 YPA, 10 TD : 6 INT

Yikes
 

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The only positive about Brock so far for the Texans is that after next season they can cut bait and only take a $6 million cap hit.
 

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Lamar Miller is also averaging a career low 3.7 yards/attempt with 0 TDs.

He had 194 rushes in 2015 and 216 in 2014. Already over 100 through Week 5 even with a season low 8 attempts yesterday.