2016 Eagles: Nothing But the Second Best

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So, seeing as you're back and the Giants and Eagles are both 2-0, are you up for $100 on who wins the division? Loser donates said $100 to the Jimmy Fund?

Of course the Giants get so little love around here that there's not even a thread for them so maybe I should be asking for odds.
 

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So, seeing as you're back and the Giants and Eagles are both 2-0, are you up for $100 on who wins the division? Loser donates said $100 to the Jimmy Fund?

Of course the Giants get so little love around here that there's not even a thread for them so maybe I should be asking for odds.
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I think I'm most impressed with how precise Wentz's throws are. Seems like every pass is placed perfectly and sets up the receiver for good RAC. Even on the throws under duress. I'm worried about all the hits he's taking, though. Tough or not, he's going to break unless he protects himself better. A new center that can hold a block would help too.

Can't wait to see how the D does vs Pitt. I had high hopes for them coming in to the season and so far so good.

Very impressed with the coaching staff so far. Loved how they started the game yesterday. Getting Wentz and the O into a groove with quick hit short reads on the road on MNF makes all the sense in the world. I have to say I disagreed with not kicking the FG to go up 18 though, but I get what he's trying to do there and didn't really feel like the Bears were a threat to tie it up under any circumstances at that point.

All in all a lot to be encouraged about.
 

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I thought they said "peptides" on the broadcast. Is that the case?
Yes. And the supplement he used was on the approved NFL players union app, but that doesn't count apparently for shit. What he took had peptides which weren't on the label, and the app they give the players is pointless.
He's pretty unlucky, but if as he claims this is a second strike on bad supplements. Stop fucking using any!
This time he has the original bottle which was supposedly the issue and everything. Doesn't matter.
 

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The league has said the app is not the bible of approved supplements of what the players are allowed to take. I actually have no idea why they provide the app if they said it's worthless. The problem is that supplement companies can change the ingredients at any time without telling anyone that the formula changed.
 

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The league has said the app is not the bible of approved supplements of what the players are allowed to take. I actually have no idea why they provide the app if they said it's worthless. The problem is that supplement companies can change the ingredients at any time without telling anyone that the formula changed.
This whole thing drives me a little nuts to be honest.

Let me begin by saying that I think that Lane Johnson is as guilty as shit of pumping himself full of PEDs. I think his excuse is pablum bullshit.

But with that said....while I agree that players need to be the ones responsible for what they put in their body, the league or the union should be able to provide a list of approved supplements and maybe even enter into agreements with companies to produce 20-30 different supplements to a given spec, which players can buy should they so desire. In the hypothetical where Johnson's story is the 100% truth, that would suck.
 

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I'm curious as to what otc supplements these guys actually take, if many at all. I think it's pretty common knowledge at this point that anything outside whey, creatine, a multivitamin and some joint stuff is a waste of money. I remember Nitro-Tech got in trouble years ago for spiking a whey powder with anavar or winstrol I think, but nowadays I think the base formulations of those products are pretty safe and clear. If these guys are buying test boosters or stimulant-laden preworkout powders, then they're playing with fire. If they're saying they got dosed off a $30 jug of Optimum Whey, I call bs.
 

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The reasons I lean towards believing Johnson is that
a) He had a lot to lose, having been caught once, his signing bonus and extension can be voided
b) he has clear evidence (he claims anyway) that the problem is with a previously authorized supplement, that he asked the union about repeatedly, and can show that
c) he has the bottle of the supposed issue supplement, and is happy to give it for testing
d) peptides are a weird thing to be taking for an advantage (and Yammer they have said it is peptides and not roids he tested for I'm pretty sure)

I think basically he tried really hard to check what he was using was ok, was told it was, and then it turns out in testing it wasn't. There's nothing in the rules that gives any benefit for checking, not an official supplement approval list. So even if the NFL said it was safe if it got contaminated he'd have the same outcome.

In short, I think he's very unfortunate, but perhaps I'm being naive. He took an approved amino acid (which is fine) and peptides are amino acid string. The whole thing seems like NFL bullshit, I don't even see peptides listed on the official NFL banned substance list, though they got a lot of attention ahead of the Olympics if i remember correctly.

edit Just read a bit on them and it seems new peptides can be pretty significant in effect. So not a weird thing to be taking for an advantage.
 

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Yeah, peptide is kind of an umbrella term from what I understand. It can be an amino acid, but I also think things like igf-1 or other hgh analogues count too.
 

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The reasons I lean towards believing Johnson is that
a) He had a lot to lose, having been caught once, his signing bonus and extension can be voided
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in short, I think he's very unfortunate, but perhaps I'm being naive.
I think you are being a little naïve if you think having a lot to lose would stop anyone from taking PEDs. I mean I have no idea what he did or didn't take, so no judgment here, but that is certainly not something that should convince you of someone's innocence.
 

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I think you are being a little naïve if you think having a lot to lose would stop anyone from taking PEDs. I mean I have no idea what he did or didn't take, so no judgment here, but that is certainly not something that should convince you of someone's innocence.
That is very cynical. Just because a guy is coming up on his contract year doesn't make him......oh....wait.....
 

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Let me be more specific.
He had just signed a big contract, but due to failing one test already the bonus and the extension were voided, if the Eagles wanted to, if he was caught again.
Ie he had been caught. He had his payday and the only way to lose it was to be caught again.
Didn't matter if you played shit got the money. Do PEDs and could lose it all.

So I'm just saying it's really an odd time.

That said. Playing devil's advocate to myself. If he was cheating knowing all this he had time to have a really good story. So...
 

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Really nice set of clips in this link
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/9/21/12986322/philadelphia-eagles-all-22-2016-week-2-chicago-bears-carson-wentz-jalen-mills

I thought he made a great point that in the red zone at one point they lined up with Mills covering Jeffery on an island one on one with no saftey help. That says the staff is REALLY high on Mills. He's a decent tackler, but esp after getting scorched by Jeffery early, that's aggressive for a rookie late round pick. To say the least. I've been a bit cautious on the Mills hype, but it seems like Schwartz is all in, and hence Rowe trade.
 

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Let me be more specific.
He had just signed a big contract, but due to failing one test already the bonus and the extension were voided, if the Eagles wanted to, if he was caught again.
Ie he had been caught. He had his payday and the only way to lose it was to be caught again.
Didn't matter if you played shit got the money. Do PEDs and could lose it all.

So I'm just saying it's really an odd time.

That said. Playing devil's advocate to myself. If he was cheating knowing all this he had time to have a really good story. So...
You are 100% correct and I was dead wrong; I had forgotten that Johnson signed a big contract this offseason. Damn, it was a hectic offseason.....huh?

He stands to lose all remaining guaranteed money from his deal if he is suspended - $25 million. Damn.
 

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yeah it will be interesting to see what the Eagles do here. They have the right to walk away essentially, and then try to sign a new deal, but I don't know how he'd react to that.
But if they do nothing he's one more suspension from I forget a season ban right?
I wonder if they can do some new deal with him, I'm sure they want to keep him anyway, but the risk went up, so the compensation should go down.
 

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Really nice set of clips in this link
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/9/21/12986322/philadelphia-eagles-all-22-2016-week-2-chicago-bears-carson-wentz-jalen-mills

I thought he made a great point that in the red zone at one point they lined up with Mills covering Jeffery on an island one on one with no saftey help. That says the staff is REALLY high on Mills. He's a decent tackler, but esp after getting scorched by Jeffery early, that's aggressive for a rookie late round pick. To say the least. I've been a bit cautious on the Mills hype, but it seems like Schwartz is all in, and hence Rowe trade.
That is excellent stuff and now a lot of my analysis is moot! I watched the game again last night a handful of times and here is what I think I saw:

- Kelce is really struggling. Your analysis said this, but I think they were being kind. There were two plays where Kelce was making line calls and Brandon Brooks seemed to say something to him, or nudge him and Kelce shouted out a change. He was beaten ALOT, to the point that in the second half Brooks and Barbre were cheating in on him a bit at times.
- Jason Peters is playing elite football. He looked tremendous against the Browns and was very good against the Bears. Hopefully he can stay healthy.
- Brandon Brooks played very well. He opened up a lot of holes and only got beaten once that I could see, and the ball was practically out of Wentz's hand.
- Alan Barbre made some great plays and he made some boneheaded plays. Not sure if he was trying to take things to 11 because Kelce was struggling, but he had a few plays where he would basically roadgrade for Matthews or Sproles, and then on the next play he would get blown up.
- LondonSox was bang on about Nigel Bradham. He played a great, great game. He and Brandon Graham were everywhere.
- They seem to be going with a consistent "Hicks and Bradham" LB corps, with Tulloch and Kendricks playing now and again. Hicks is excellent in pass coverage and I think Bradham is, at the very least, pretty darned good.
- For the second game in a row Agholor was open a lot. I don't think he is a WR1, but he may turn into a legit WR2. Let's see.
- I feel bad for Frank Reich. He seems to be doing a lot, and may even be calling the plays on offense, but he is not getting any props for how well the offense is playing. I think Wentz's early success, the success that Burton had on Sunday and Agholor's development are all signs that Reich is getting good involvement from a lot of guys who are new or who were kind of shuffled into the back of the deck last year.
 

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yeah it will be interesting to see what the Eagles do here. They have the right to walk away essentially, and then try to sign a new deal, but I don't know how he'd react to that.
But if they do nothing he's one more suspension from I forget a season ban right?
I wonder if they can do some new deal with him, I'm sure they want to keep him anyway, but the risk went up, so the compensation should go down.
Howie Roseman is probably feeling pretty invincible right now. Let's see what he does with this situation.
 

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Yeah, I'm kind of in a daze realizing that they are doing this with a rookie at QB and a defense that I expected little from.

Kind of surprised how excited I am to root for the Eagles.
 

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Well then.... So much for Wentz isn't ready and they should wait until after the bye!
He is impressive. I mean IMPRESSIVE. There wasn't really a bad throw that could have been picked. Green-Beckham dropped a dime on another long throw for a TD, and there were a couple other drops too. The TD to Sproles was special. Evaded the rusher, broke out of the pocket, ran across the line of scrimmage, made the LB step up to stop the rushing first down, then lofted the pass over his head to Sproles. Just fantastic.
The receivers still can't catch. Kelce looks bad, again, and is a concern and the otherwise excellent offensive line is still going to have to deal with losing Lane Johnson, which will force a solid Guard to play as a bad tackle. Downgrading two positions. So you go from 4 solid to good line members to 2. Which is a problem.
Really encouraging to see Smallwood look so solid from running back and Barner continues to impress. No Matthews no problem.
And we still haven't seen the 3 TE set, which hopefully we can see post the bye with all three good TE finally healthy. That I think is going to help the weakened oline.

Defensively. Phew. D-line was fantastic, without any blitzing. Run defence was excellent. Williams the rushing leader after two games had 8 carries for 21 yards, before the game got out of hand and they had to go all passing.
The linebackers were excellent. God Hicks is great and Bradham has been great. Mills again got burnt early, but came back. I think he's overmatched for straight pace and would be better as a slot guy. Carroll was ok and Ron Brooks (!?) was excellent for the second straight game. The safeties are monsters. Mcleod's pick was silly, and Jenkins is just playing superbly. IF Jenkins could catch a ball he'd be in contention for the best safety in football. He can't though.
Brown had 140 yards, but that felt empty. Otherwise the D played great. 2 TDs in 3 games against them. CB and depth is still a concern, but if they can play run d that well without over committing safeties then that's great, and if the line can keep getting pressure without blitzing that too allows a lot of options.

In short. The Eagles are legit. Wentz will at some point have a bad game, but sheesh. He's lighting it up, and it's not on a super simple game plan. He's got a sick deep ball, he's mobile, good in the pocket, really good passing on the run, keeps his eyes downfield while moving and has both touch and a cannon. He even avoided taking any big hits last night. FFS he's changing plays ALREADY well. I saw him call a fake snap, watch the defense, adjust the protection a couple times. He looks so calm. I want to see him when he has a bad run, but from everything I've heard that's not likely to be an issue.
I knew the D was good, and having a real QB transforms the offense.

Finally, Doug P. Good coach. He's calling a great game out there, the team is playing great, they're well prepared and on a short week vs a contender no less.

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Well then.... So much for Wentz isn't ready and they should wait until after the bye!
He is impressive. I mean IMPRESSIVE. There wasn't really a bad throw that could have been picked. Green-Beckham dropped a dime on another long throw for a TD, and there were a couple other drops too. The TD to Sproles was special. Evaded the rusher, broke out of the pocket, ran across the line of scrimmage, made the LB step up to stop the rushing first down, then lofted the pass over his head to Sproles. Just fantastic.
The receivers still can't catch. Kelce looks bad, again, and is a concern and the otherwise excellent offensive line is still going to have to deal with losing Lane Johnson, which will force a solid Guard to play as a bad tackle. Downgrading two positions. So you go from 4 solid to good line members to 2. Which is a problem.
Really encouraging to see Smallwood look so solid from running back and Barner continues to impress. No Matthews no problem.
And we still haven't seen the 3 TE set, which hopefully we can see post the bye with all three good TE finally healthy. That I think is going to help the weakened oline.

Defensively. Phew. D-line was fantastic, without any blitzing. Run defence was excellent. Williams the rushing leader after two games had 8 carries for 21 yards, before the game got out of hand and they had to go all passing.
The linebackers were excellent. God Hicks is great and Bradham has been great. Mills again got burnt early, but came back. I think he's overmatched for straight pace and would be better as a slot guy. Carroll was ok and Ron Brooks (!?) was excellent for the second straight game. The safeties are monsters. Mcleod's pick was silly, and Jenkins is just playing superbly. IF Jenkins could catch a ball he'd be in contention for the best safety in football. He can't though.
Brown had 140 yards, but that felt empty. Otherwise the D played great. 2 TDs in 3 games against them. CB and depth is still a concern, but if they can play run d that well without over committing safeties then that's great, and if the line can keep getting pressure without blitzing that too allows a lot of options.

In short. The Eagles are legit. Wentz will at some point have a bad game, but sheesh. He's lighting it up, and it's not on a super simple game plan. He's got a sick deep ball, he's mobile, good in the pocket, really good passing on the run, keeps his eyes downfield while moving and has both touch and a cannon. He even avoided taking any big hits last night. FFS he's changing plays ALREADY well. I saw him call a fake snap, watch the defense, adjust the protection a couple times. He looks so calm. I want to see him when he has a bad run, but from everything I've heard that's not likely to be an issue.
I knew the D was good, and having a real QB transforms the offense.

Finally, Doug P. Good coach. He's calling a great game out there, the team is playing great, they're well prepared and on a short week vs a contender no less.

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The only throw that I thought was a bad decision was the toss to Burton into triple coverage. It probably couldn't have been intercepted, but it looked like the safety could have had a shot at it if he had played the right angle.

You were the first guy on the Bradham train and you deserve all the credit for that call, I had no faith and he has played like a beast. It seems like the "tone setting" hit in each game has been delivered by Bradham. I haven't watched the game since the live game, but he sure seemed to have played fantastic football for yet another game.

You nailed it on Antonio Brown; he got 140 yards but they were the least damaging 140 yards a receiver can get. The Defense were clearly putting guys over the top on him and giving him 7-8 yards all he wanted, particularly once they got up by a few touchdowns. They just did a fantastic job with him.

My man Mcleod did his thing again yesterday. That kid can tackle a freight train. He got beat at least once, but he also laid down some wood. I loved the INT as well, great body position, great toughness.

I can't overstate how impressed I am by Pederson. As great as Wentz has been, as great as the defense has been, Pederson has, in my opinion, been better. I have been particularly impressed by:

- The offensive plays. Reich and Pederson have stolen the "best of Andy Reid" playbook, with misdirection plays, the RB having a major role in the blocking scheme, the pass along the line of scrimmage to a guy who has three blockers in front of him, the whole deal.......but with more running. He and Duce (sidebar.....Wendell Smallwood gives me Duce flashbacks every time he touches the ball, am I on my own here?) are doing a great job spreading out touches to provide an effective running game.
- The rotations. I mentioned the RBs, but the DL and LB rotations are spectacular. We have fresh, hungry guys on the field more than we ever had under Chip and Billy.
- Wentz prep. You touched on this, but Wentz is doing a great job of figuring out the defenses and making changes at the line. In addition he is spreading the ball around amongst a group of pass-catchers who we know are not "best in class." You have to give Reich, Pederson and DeFillipo (all former NFL QBs) a lot of credit. I am thrilled to be wrong about the whole "Wentz needs to sit" thing. With that said......I would have liked them to give Daniels some time in the 4th quarter.

I liked the challenge too. While, in slow mo it became abundantly clear that Brown got two feet in, I was 100% certain that he was out of bounds. In related news, Antonio Brown is a sick athlete.

You are right, the Eagles seem legit. You got it right, it is going to be tough if Johnson's suspension gets upheld (which it almost certainly will), and we play 4 of our next 5 on the road. I worry about Barbre at RT, and Kelce is just not where we need him to be. We'll see how things go, but having two weeks to feel this good is pretty sweet.

Pinch yourself.

OH! Total sidebar. My son's teacher's husband went to school with Malcolm Jenkins in Piscataway from grade school through senior year, and played in the secondary next to him in HS. He is a pretty cool guy and basically summarized Jenkins as "really great guy, pretty much dominated every single game he was in. I spent more time blocking for him after INTs than I did covering people."
 

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I tried to change it last week but couldn't figure it out. I was going to go with "Two is more than One"
 

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I watched the game twice today. I have nothing to add to anything above because I went total fanboy and pretty much just watched all the cool shit I knew was happening. Possible additions:

- Jason Peters played really well. Man do we need him to stay healthy because there were about 3-4 plays where he just went Terrordome on 2+ players who dared to get near the running lane. He looked nice.
- Ohhhhhhh Jason Kelce. It is not looking good.
- The front 7 is getting all the pub, and deservedly so....holy moley were they in Ben's jock all day....but the secondary did well too. The coverage was surprisingly good on Bryant. Ben made some really nice throws to get him the ball. I realize this is redundant, but Bryant is insanely athletic and super smart, great route running.
 

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So based on Pederson's presser yesterday (I am still not used to the sound of his voice. I guess that comes with time) and the various articles and message board scuttlebutt, here is what I am thinking:

- Apparently Agholor is going to either play a bigger role in the offense or he is going to get his touches stolen by DGB. I'm not sure which of the two I want to be honest. When I have watched the games after the initial viewing it does seem like Agholor is open a fair amount, but Wentz isn't getting him the ball.
- It sounds like folks think that Johnson won't be available on Sunday vs. the Lions, but given that it is Thursday and we haven't heard anything.....I'm kind of thinking he will be playing. In truth, I think I would rather start in Wisniewski against the Lions than against the Redskins or Vikings, and I would rather get Lane back a few weeks before the playoffs. But then again, I am nervous about how our line will hold up with Johnson out.
- I'm optimistic that we will see the 3 TE set. No reason for that other than all 3 guys have been playing well when healthy, but still.
- We really need to come out of the bye strong. Other than the Vikings, we are looking at divisional opponents, then Falcons (who we always beat in Philadelphia), then a brutal three game stretch. I think we need to be at 2 losses, maybe 3 at most going into that stretch to have a playoff shot.
 

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Johnson is expected to play.
I think they are leaning towards playing big v at RT and leaving barbre alone.
I think that might be smart. Barbre has been very solid. And he's bad at tackle, why make two holes?

Also if they think v can play tackle post peters this is a nice trial.
 

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Yeah I thought that Johnson was all but a lock to play Sunday as appeal decision not likely to come until next Monday. Not sure if that's better or worse. I'm really hoping for a reduction down to four games. I like that the appeal meeting went long. Seems to be a good sign. Also seems good that there was a labor lawyer present. I hope that if & when he does go out that Vaitai does get a shot. Give him help, especially with three TE sets, and leave Barbre alone.

What's the word on Bradham? Suspension possible or likely?

As for the playoff shot, our defense and our division are going to make that happen regardless as to whether or not Mr. Wonderful can keep it up at QB. I'm sticking with my annual 14-2 prediction but not sure if they're going to win the Super Bowl this year or next yet.
 

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Johnson is expected to play.
I think they are leaning towards playing big v at RT and leaving barbre alone.
I think that might be smart. Barbre has been very solid. And he's bad at tackle, why make two holes?

Also if they think v can play tackle post peters this is a nice trial.
There has been a surprising amount of talk on WIP today saying that Johnson may not, that his appeal may come in today, tomorrow or even Saturday. I would be shocked if the league did anything after Friday, but who knows.

I hope you are right about Vatai, I think that makes more sense. We'll see though. It isn't out of the question that they try to grab an OL from another team that considers itself out of contention. Thomas is clearly on the market for the Browns, but - and I can't believe I am saying this - that would be a problem for us when Johnson comes back. There are enough 1-3 teams out there that we may be able to grab someone for a reasonable price.
 

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What's the word on Bradham? Suspension possible or likely?

As for the playoff shot, our defense and our division are going to make that happen regardless as to whether or not Mr. Wonderful can keep it up at QB. I'm sticking with my annual 14-2 prediction but not sure if they're going to win the Super Bowl this year or next yet.
I don't think that Bradham will get suspended for simple possession of a handgun. It was stupid, but the league doesn't tend to suspend that one.....do they?
 

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Was surprised Washington roughed up Wentz and abused the o-line. Also surprised by Washington's run game yesterday.

Next three weeks will be interesting. Minnesota, at Dallas, at NYG.
 

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Was surprised Washington roughed up Wentz and abused the o-line. Also surprised by Washington's run game yesterday.

Next three weeks will be interesting. Minnesota, at Dallas, at NYG.
Well they had a rookie rt trying to work mostly alone vs Kerrigan. Predictable results.

From being very impressed by Peterson in the early weeks I'm underwhelmed by the performance this week.
Last week I was bemused by Schwartz playing his second string linebackers in the first half. If he had played his starters they win. Even with the refs.

This week defensively I have no idea.
They were destroyed by the run and I have no way to explain that. It's been a strength for some time.
In the secondary if he could please stop fucking putting mills on fast receivers that would be nice. Wtf. He's slow! He's a good slot guy. Stop it. If only they had a good outside corner with speed to use. Oh wait they traded him for fuck all to the Patriots. Who got to show his ability to cover aj green in the red zone this week.

Wentz was a rookie under siege and it showed. That said he had several just baller throws and earth dropped a td that hit him in the hands. His 5th td drop of the season (5 games!!!)

The Eagles offensive talent is not great. They can afford to lose their best lineman and have the receivers play like shit. Sigh frustrating.

But anyway, wentz even struggling had his moments and that is the most important thing. It looks like the Eagles got their qb. They're a 500 team.
 

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... with Wentz at the beginning of what may be a 10 to 15 year run. Very savvy, gifted and mentally tough. Very impressive.
 

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Cox was hurt, he missed two days of practice last week, which ended up crushing us vs. the run with 91 limited and Logan also limited then out. I have only watched the game once, but my concerns are:

- penalties. Yeah, 14-2 against Detroit seems uneven and there were definitely a few head scratchers in there on both sides of the ball, but we are playing sloppy. 40+penalties in 5 games is ugly and is killing us.
- O-line. Maybe I am not with it, but when i watched the game (I listened to it on the radio when items live as I was at my son's football game) I didn't think big V had a disaster. He got crushed on the first series, but he did OK - not great - for the most part. But Jesus did the line as a unit play shitty. Kelce still looks like he is drunk out there and Barbre didn't play well either.
- the secondary. Mills and Carroll looked bad on a few different occasions. Schwartz needs to clean that up.

I'm not going to lose sleep over the LBs, they will be fine in the long run but they are coming off two sub par weeks.
 

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I haven't watched the game for a second time yet, but I can't overstate how spectacular a call I think going for 2 was.

The O-line spent the whole week hearing how horrible they were (as did the D to a lesser extent) and they came out and really played a good game. To me, going for 2 was Pederson making a very public endorsement of his faith in them, and the results were excellent.

There was a fair amount of ugly in this game, but all in all it was a great win. Screw you Sam.
 

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7:17 left in the game, up by 7, 4th down on the Dallas 36. Punt.

That's ballgame.

Where did that killer instinct go at this point? Your kicker is 14 out of 15 for the year, and about 90 minutes prior booted a 55 yard FG with room to spare. How do you not take the chance that he's going to hit a 53 yard FG to go up two scores with 7 minutes left? What. The. Fuck. Doug goes for 2 pts the week before, Doug goes for it on 4th down all the time, yet he's got no confidence in his kicker to get that job done? The reward is so fucking worth the risk that I'm still amazed at this decision. He completely turtled.

Also - CATCH THE BALL. Our WRs can't catch, and our DBs can't catch. CATCH THE FUCKING BALLS THAT ARE THROWN YOUR WAY.

I'm having similar sensations I had when Gump left Pedro in back in 2003. This game was more than winnable and they pissed it away. Hats off to Dallas and all that but Philly had this and they completely blew it. I just hope it serves as a learning experience for Pederson.
 

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I just dont get the playcall on the play before punting from the 36...If you hadn't gotten cute just ran sproles up the middle for 3 or 4 its 4 and 5 from like the 27 heck even if he gets stuffed its a 47 yarder. That swing pass hadn't worked all game. Just very peculiar playcalling when you had runs of 13, 4, 3, 9, 2 on that drive.