Who is in your playoff rotation?

yes... that's right. Who is your "no. 3"?

  • EdRo

    Votes: 123 67.2%
  • Clay

    Votes: 29 15.8%
  • Wright

    Votes: 9 4.9%
  • Pom

    Votes: 12 6.6%
  • Julian Edelman

    Votes: 10 5.5%

  • Total voters
    183

dhappy42

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And was also one of our worst starters for a stretch of the season... The starters by FIP since the ASB are: Porcello (2.85), Price (3.37), ERod (3.81), Buchholz (3.92), Wright (4.16), Pomeranz (4.85). ..
Not a fair comparison to Wright and I'm not just talking about the FIP bias against knuckleballers. Wright had 7 post-ASB starts. One of was the game in the rain where he lost control of the knuckler and Farrell left him in to get bashed anyway. His two other bad post-ASB games were after his shoulder injury.

That said, he shouldn't be a post-season starter.
 

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Not a fair comparison to Wright and I'm not just talking about the FIP bias against knuckleballers. Wright had 7 post-ASB starts. One of was the game in the rain where he lost control of the knuckler and Farrell left him in to get bashed anyway. His two other bad post-ASB games were after his shoulder injury.

That said, he shouldn't be a post-season starter.
Well, including the game in the rain is totally fair. The playoffs aren't played in a climate controlled environment. If he can't be counted on in the rain, the humidity, the cold, etc, then it's a legitimate strike against him as a post-season starter, even if he was healthy.
 

dhappy42

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Well, including the game in the rain is totally fair. The playoffs aren't played in a climate controlled environment. If he can't be counted on in the rain, the humidity, the cold, etc, then it's a legitimate strike against him as a post-season starter, even if he was healthy.
You're right. My point though is that Wright had three bad games post ASB. Two of them were after his injury. FIP-wise, he's given up 5 HRs since the ASB. Four of them were in his two post-injury starts. Six of 14 post ASB walks came in those two games as well. At no time before his senseless injury was Wright the worst starter in the rotation.
 

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Why does it matter, he can't pitch now and if he ends up pitching in the playoffs it will only be because 2 of our other starters are hurt or have some other major problem.
 

czar

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Not a fair comparison to Wright and I'm not just talking about the FIP bias against knuckleballers. Wright had 7 post-ASB starts. One of was the game in the rain where he lost control of the knuckler and Farrell left him in to get bashed anyway. His two other bad post-ASB games were after his shoulder injury.

That said, he shouldn't be a post-season starter.
Well, I did say that you could easily make an argument for him as the #4 if healthy. I also did not say "the worst" but rather "one of the worst," which was mainly to note that he wasn't a top 3 guy all year. But the point that his season-long stats are buoyed by a sexy, but unsustainable run early isn't really up for discussion (the ASB is a tidy cutoff, but he had a 6.89 ERA in his 3 starts before the ASB as well -- so 5.55 ERA over his last 60ish innings).

It was more in response to the previous post that essentially asked "why is Wright not getting all the love?" Given his setback this weekend, sounds like the point is moot anyways...

EDIT: FWIW, I'd argue that the ERA/FIP bias (~0.30 for knuckleballers) is partially (if not more than fully) offset by the extra UER due to passed balls. So while FIP isn't perfect as an ERA projection, there are compensating errors on the other side.
 

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I would. Even before he got hurt, he was trending in the wrong direction (last start in LA notwithstanding). If he had been healthy through out, I don't think it's a lock that he'd have stayed in the top three of this rotation.
Fair enough and I saw the bad trend too but I thought it was mostly due to inclement weather?
 

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Porcello
Price
ERodriguez
Pomeranz

I have a feeling they're going to the well one too many times with Buchholz, and it could blow up in their faces. Hopefully the 4th starter is the least of their problems, though. He's the only one suited to be a swing man at this point.
 

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Porcello
Price
ERodriguez
Pomeranz

I have a feeling they're going to the well one too many times with Buchholz, and it could blow up in their faces. Hopefully the 4th starter is the least of their problems, though. He's the only one suited to be a swing man at this point.
Why isn't Pomeranz suited to be a swing man? He has far more experience in the bullpen than Buchholz.
 

czar

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Porcello
Price
ERodriguez
Pomeranz

I have a feeling they're going to the well one too many times with Buchholz, and it could blow up in their faces. Hopefully the 4th starter is the least of their problems, though. He's the only one suited to be a swing man at this point.
Buchholz has been about a run/9 better pitcher than Pomeranz since Pomeranz arrived in Boston. Plus, as BMHH pointed out, he's actually been a good bullpen arm previously (and is well past his career high in innings).

Maybe Buchholz implodes in his next start and Pomeranz looks good to finish the regular season, but at this point CB's got to be the current leader for the #4 slot.
 

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Was there a reason EdRo was pulled relatively early? I just had a chance now to check the box score and he had 11 K's in 5 innings....
Did he get himself into a jam or was it likely just keeping his innings down? (is this even a concern with him?)

I'm still in the EdRo camp, but I think Farrell will go with Clay as the no. 3. EdRo as 4 and Pom as the long-man
 

simplicio

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Was there a reason EdRo was pulled relatively early? I just had a chance now to check the box score and he had 11 K's in 5 innings....
Did he get himself into a jam or was it likely just keeping his innings down? (is this even a concern with him?)

I'm still in the EdRo camp, but I think Farrell will go with Clay as the no. 3. EdRo as 4 and Pom as the long-man
113 pitches.

Edit: probably only started the inning to face Miller, then they had Hembree ready to see all the righties (5 of the next 6).
 
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Was there a reason EdRo was pulled relatively early? I just had a chance now to check the box score and he had 11 K's in 5 innings....
Did he get himself into a jam or was it likely just keeping his innings down? (is this even a concern with him?)

I'm still in the EdRo camp, but I think Farrell will go with Clay as the no. 3. EdRo as 4 and Pom as the long-man
He was at 113 pitches when he was taken out. Pretty sure that's all it was.
 

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Assuming the AL East is clinched by Thursday, and if Pomeranz is headed for the pen, shouldn't JF not start him and use him in relief between then and Sunday so that his first appearance in that capacity in 2016 is not in the playoffs?
 

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I'd be more worried about that if Pomeranz had never been a reliever before. But given that he's not only done it, but had a lot of success doing it, I'd be surprised if he really needs some big acclimation period.

In any event, if his last start is an indication Farrell seems inclined to shut him down after a shorter pitch count regardless to preserve his arm and energy.
 

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I know we shouldn't overreact to one game but I'm a little curious to see how things unfold at catcher this week. Leon has caught 110 games this year (minors included) and doubled his career ML games total. He looks a bit gassed, to say the least. Vazquez was intriguing in his handling of Edro yesterday. Changes do happen this late, as we've seen, including at catcher in the 2013 playoffs. I would love to know what the staff thinks, including whether they are excited about Bryan Holaday for any reason at all, and whether Hanigan needs to be kept around for stability or something.
 

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So if the Sox go the rest of the way with:
27th Price
28th Buchholz
29th Pomeranz
30th Porcello
1st Rodriguez
2nd Owens/Wright?

That would leave them set up for the following playoff rotation (days rest):
Thur 6/10: Price (8) [or Porcello (5)]
Fri 7/10: Porcello (6) [or Price (9)]
Sun 9/10: Rodriguez (7)
Mon 10/10*: Buchholz (11)
Wed 12/10*: Price (5) [or Porcello (5)]

*if necessary

If they go with the 2nd option of starting Porcello for Game 1, I would expect we'll see Price for a couple of tune-up innings on Sunday. Either way the entire staff should be well-rested going in.

Best-case scenario for opponents (IMO) is that the Sox take the top seed and the 2nd WC finishes in a tie so Det/Sea/Bal has to win a 1-game playoff (or 2 of them!) and then beats Tor in the WC.

Baltimore is lined up for Gausman to pitch Sunday and should have to use Tillman Monday in the 1-game playoff (or Tue if they make the WC outright) and Jimenez Tue otherwise. Either way leaves them Gallardo on 5 days rest for Game 1 and Gausman on normal rest for Game2.

Toronto has Happ and Sanchez scheduled for Sat and Sunday at Fenway, but most of their starters have been going well lately so it shouldn't matter too much if they get through. Most likely it would be Estrada for Game1 and Happ for Game2 though that could be reversed.

Detroit has Verlander lined up for Sunday so he'd probably be the Game2 starter with maybe Boyd going in Game1. Seattle has King Felix going Sunday so if they get in they're in reasonable shape with Iwakuma and Hernandez starting the ALDS.

And Houston, should they pull off a miracle, don't really have an ace so it doesn't really matter who shows up.
 

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This is how I would handle the last few games (thanks uk_sox_fan for saving me a bunch of typing):
So if the Sox go the rest of the way with:
27th Price
28th Buchholz
29th Pomeranz
30th Porcello
1st Rodriguez
2nd Price for 3-4 innings. Then bullpen and non-playoff guys.

10/4 -- Buch in a simulated game with the bench and non-playoff guys getting some swings.

That would leave them set up for the following playoff rotation (days rest):
Thur 10/6: Porcello (5)
Fri 10/7: Price (4)
Sun 10/9: Rodriguez (7)
Mon 10/10*: Buchholz (6)
Wed 10/12*: Price (5) [or Porcello (5)]
*if necessary
 

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Drew Pomeranz won't pitch Thursday, as scheduled, but "he's not shut down," according to Red Sox manager John Farrell. If/when he pitches again, it'll be out of bullpen. Pomeranz has exceeded career-high in innings, experienced soreness after five-inning start last weekend at Tampa Bay. Henry Owens will start in his place.