Good point. Though I don't know dak had an issue like Wilson 's height to make him slip.
He just wasn't good short and intermediate.
But maybe the coaches made a tweak, he's been impressive.
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He just wasn't good short and intermediate.
But maybe the coaches made a tweak, he's been impressive.
None taken; if anything, thanks. Not a complete day until I learn something, especially from someone specifically inside the field of dicussion.
Given that apparently an MRI was needed for diagnosis (I heard X-rays were not immediately done but assume they were at some point?), this fracture likely has minimal impaction (superior to inferior compression) and no significant retropulsion (posterior displacement toward the spinal canal).
Again to echo DRS, this is going to be a pain tolerance issue more than something that will cause long lasting problems. These fractures are painful but 6 weeks is a reasonable possibility.
Again to echo DRS, this is going to be a pain tolerance issue more than something that will cause long lasting problems. These fractures are painful but 6 weeks is a reasonable possibility.
Tony has had a discectomy (L-2/L-3), a lumbar cyst removal, lumbar transverse process fractures, and now this L-1 compression fracture--since 2013. His back will be fine?
Good thing he won't be facing Gregg Williams again this year.
Good thing he won't be facing Gregg Williams again this year.
Once this compression fracture heals (probably 6-8 weeks if it's as I suspected above), his back will be no worse than it was before the injury. And a transverse process fracture, once healed, also is meaningless long term.
His back could be a mess for all I know, but a compression fracture requiring an MRI for diagnosis is unlikely to add to whatever long term problems exist.
I like what I've seen and heard about Prescott, but we should have gotten a backup QB a while ago. I hope Romo's OK, but let's see what happens going forward.
Dak was the backup. There isn't much out there in terms of FA QBs, they clearly prefer Dak over any FA QB available.
In some alternate universe, former first round pick Johnny Manziel is the Cowboys starter, having "led" them to the playoffs last year. Jerry Jones is hailed as a football genius for having the foresight to provide Romo with a capable, high-upside backup via the draft. The offensive line is still really, really good in this other universe.
Trading a 2017 first round pick for Garoppolo in week 5 is not out of question.
Trading a 2017 first round pick for Garoppolo in week 5 is not out of question.
Yeah probably should have mentioned that Foles signed with KC.
The Cowboys need someone now, not in Week 5. Maybe Mark Sanchez?
He's getting cut, they could wait until he's a FA. The alternatives aren't really great, Josh Freeman's agent contacted the Cowboys earlier in August and got rebuffed. Vick still wants to play one more year but he's done. Manziel??
The latest on Kaepernick has to be giving Jerrah agita. Seems entirely likely to be cut by SF, or at the worst acquirable for next to nothing, and he's the kind of big sexy name the Cowboys often covet...but the whole sitting during the anthem thing definitely would not play well for America's team. If only it had merely been sexual assault.
This is Dak Prescott's team, for good or for bad, until Romo gets back (if that even happens.) They should try and sign a veteran back up as cover for Prescott, not as competition. Anyone coming in at this stage in the proverbial game is going to have to learn the offense. No way they will be more effective than Prescott who had the entire offseason to learn the offense and get comfortable with the receivers. The Matt Cassel experience from last season should be instructive on what happens when you bring someone in at the last minute and ask them to take over with very little time to prepare. Hopefully they learn from that debacle and roll their dice with the rookie. The offensive line and running game are going to make life a lot easier on him and give him every chance to succeed without putting too much pressure on him. From what I've seen so far, I like his chances to be above replacement level, which is more than you could say about Cassel, Weeden or Moore last season.
As for Romo, while this injury may not in and of itself end his career, I think it's basically a death knell. His body is breaking down and that is not getting any better. That fact surely plays into the game planning and play calling when he's in the game. They aren't going to roll him or call for a ton of 7 step drops if they're worried about him getting hit and injured. Also, his contract numbers are pretty brutal going forward. At some point, the front office is going to have a difficult decision to make given his age, injury history, physical limitations and salary. If Prescott plays well, I think it's hard to see Romo as a Cowboys player next season absent a pay cut. Much to Bosoxen's chagrin, I've been a longtime Romo defender and I am bummed for him regarding this injury and what it means for his career as a Cowboy. He's been a fantastic QB for this franchise and really has received an unfair amount of crap as a player from fans and detractors about his track record. As a longtime Cowboy fan, I finally have some optimism for the QB position going forward (I also have a corresponding sense of dread on how that optimism will get brutally destroyed in the next several weeks.).
As for Romo, while this injury may not in and of itself end his career, I think it's basically a death knell. His body is breaking down and that is not getting any better. That fact surely plays into the game planning and play calling when he's in the game. They aren't going to roll him or call for a ton of 7 step drops if they're worried about him getting hit and injured. Also, his contract numbers are pretty brutal going forward. At some point, the front office is going to have a difficult decision to make given his age, injury history, physical limitations and salary. If Prescott plays well, I think it's hard to see Romo as a Cowboys player next season absent a pay cut. Much to Bosoxen's chagrin, I've been a longtime Romo defender and I am bummed for him regarding this injury and what it means for his career as a Cowboy. He's been a fantastic QB for this franchise and really has received an unfair amount of crap as a player from fans and detractors about his track record. As a longtime Cowboy fan, I finally have some optimism for the QB position going forward (I also have a corresponding sense of dread on how that optimism will get brutally destroyed in the next several weeks.).
From what I am reading online, it seems that there are contract terms that make it very disadvantageous for the Cowboys if Romo retires. The salary cap hit would be crippling if he did this.
Prescott has a very tough row to hoe as a rookie in the NFL, and he will face three "projected to be tough" defenses right before Romo is supposed to be ready to return.
Long and short, I sincerely want Tony Romo to live a long and healthy life after football, but the way this all stacks up I think there will be a good deal of pressure on him to get behind center this season and maybe even next season.
Prescott has a very tough row to hoe as a rookie in the NFL, and he will face three "projected to be tough" defenses right before Romo is supposed to be ready to return.
Long and short, I sincerely want Tony Romo to live a long and healthy life after football, but the way this all stacks up I think there will be a good deal of pressure on him to get behind center this season and maybe even next season.
Hey, wait a minute. I'm not a Romo hater. Sure, I've been critical of him but never unfairly so. Just for that, the first round is on you if you come into town this year.
To expand on this, they'd have $19.6M in dead money on the 2017 cap. That's a brutal number but may actually be more desirable than the high likelihood that he'd count $24.7M against the cap and still require the burden of two backup QBs. They could cut him after June 1, 2017 and spread the pain over the next two years: $10.7M in 2017 and $8.9M in 2018.
Depending on how this season goes if/when Romo returns, the team may be faced with a really difficult decision after this season. I have a feeling we'll be seeing them draft another young QB next April. Whether they use a high pick or a pick in the middle rounds will depend entirely on how Prescott does in the first few games.
Yeah, one of my fantasy team names is Romo's Back!
Fair enough, I'll buy. Unless you order Johnny Walker Blue or some $100 a shot tequila.....
I didn't realize that the financial hit was that bad if he retires. If that's the case, I guess I cannot see that happen. At some point, if he gets hit in the wrong place in a game, he might not have a choice. How does that saying about making a bed and lying in it go again?
The $5 million marginal tax on Romo being on the roster in 2017 is peanuts when your upside is a probowl type QB. So as long as he doesn't retire, I don't think he's going anywhere until after the 2017 season. There's a very slim possibility that maybe they forego the "cheap" $5 million extra, but I think that would require Dak Prescott doing something unusually amazing this season to convince them. A low probability occurrence for a rookie like him. In all likelihood, he's going to struggle once the regular season starts.
There are supposedly good Cowboys blogs saying the team is just as good with dak as qb Vs Romo.
Is there crazy in the water? That's just so insane.
But he can run
But preseason
They'll run the ball more.
The oline
Romo is really good. I mean I'm the enemy but Romo was excellent
Is there crazy in the water? That's just so insane.
But he can run
But preseason
They'll run the ball more.
The oline
Romo is really good. I mean I'm the enemy but Romo was excellent
They are either drinking the same punch mix that Jerry Jones has been drinking for 20+ years or they are obsessing way too much over an amazing preseason. Or both.
They better hope Romo misses 6 games and Dak gets them to a 3-3 record. That would be a huge win for the Cowboys. The illusions that Dak is going to be running wild on opposing defenses and launching TD bombs is a pipe dream. I feel like Romo got hit with the overrated tag so hard early in his career that he has become severely underrated in recent years. The dude might have been the best QB in the league in 2014 with that offense firing on all cylinders.
O-line and running game will help Dak, but he's gonna have to prove he can make a few throws or there's gonna be 8-men boxes all day against that offense.
Just to clarify what I meant: in 2017, the marginal cost isn't just $5M. It's $5M, plus a viable third QB at X cost, minus some other roster spot.
I don't disagree that the upside makes it still worth it. But the calculus changes if Romo gets hurt again right after he comes back or if he's ineffective due to the injury. I want just as much as anyone else in this thread for Romo to come back and win a title. But the realist in me knows that's extremely unlikely.
Yup 100%
I could see them making a move for a cheap deal on Sanchez if he is cut. Can't hurt, I'm not sure what the plan is Dak struggles, which isn't exactly implausible. As you say 3-3 and Romo back (ahem) gives them a good shot of the division. I will say though that the issues for the first games are mounting, the defense is hurt by suspensions too. Lot of pressure for that running game to work.
I'm not sure that bringing in a third tier QB who doesn't know the system and who you won't want around after Romo returns is the best play given that the season starts in less than two weeks.
If they bring in Sanchez, or anyone else other than the guys who have played in Garrett's system, they are going to burn a ton of reps and coaching time on getting that guy up to speed, which is time where Dak is not being developed. It isn't clear to me that that is a positive for the Cowboys, but reasonable people may disagree.
Long and short, I think, if I were in Garrett's shoes, I would go all in with Dak or beg Orton to return on a one year before I would bring in the Sanchize.
If they bring in Sanchez, or anyone else other than the guys who have played in Garrett's system, they are going to burn a ton of reps and coaching time on getting that guy up to speed, which is time where Dak is not being developed. It isn't clear to me that that is a positive for the Cowboys, but reasonable people may disagree.
Long and short, I think, if I were in Garrett's shoes, I would go all in with Dak or beg Orton to return on a one year before I would bring in the Sanchize.
With respect to the bolded, I don't think that's going to be necessary because you're bang on here from start to finish. This scenario looks completely different if Prescott doesn't look so impressive against LA* - there was even talk that they had the finger on the trigger for a veteran backup had he fallen on his face the way Goff did. The reins will be given to Prescott, for better or worse. Even if Romo gets hurt again upon his return, they'll hand it right back to him. Short of a dog fight for a playoff spot and the availability of a viable alternative, there's not much else they can do. Such is the world they created for themselves.
*Even though I grew up with two teams there, it still feels weird to refer to an NFL team as "LA".
It's related to the fact that several young QBs since Romo's ascension have seemingly come out of nowhere. In other words, complete wishcasting. I think they also feel like the rest of the team has enough talent to make up for his lack of polish. The reality is the season now rests heavily on two rookies. May the 2015 Red Sox remind us sane Cowboys fans what rooting for a team of "the kids" can be like. I am looking forward to seeing some rookie dazzle but I am going into the season believing it's largely sunk. Unless the East is as putrid as last season I guess.
I am pretty upset. The clock was already running out on Tony. Now we can actually start talking about if Dez will ever see a ring with this team. Sad to have had so much talent on the team for the past 5-7 seasons and nothing really at all to show for it. The early 90's are a distant memory and it's starting to feel like that Dez non catch will live long and in infamy.
Maybe I'm alone in this but the reason that call stuck in my craw so much and for so long was because I knew that team was their last, best shot at a title and that call completely killed any chance of Romo ever getting his chance.
I tried to talk myself into thinking that they could repeat some of that magic in 2015 but without Murray and the defense having committed an unsustainable amount of turnovers, my heart couldn't get my brain to accept it. There was some hope at first because Romo picked up right where he left off, then Philly happened and not only did the wheels fall off but the carriage completely exploded.
Now, with Romo's window closing fast and Humpty Dumpty not completely reassembled yet, I fear I may have been right.
Yep. Already mentioned as an example, but we saw last year what happens when you bring in a vet QB mid-season who doesn't know the system. Matt Cassel is probably a better QB than Weeden but they looked the same since Cassel was learning a new offense on the fly.
So I agree. Short of Orton deciding he wants to play again, it's Daks team until (if) Romo is back healthy.
It seems to be a matter of perspective. They'd "save" next year, but have to fill that role. A lot depends on how Prescott performs. If he shows he can lead the team, then Romo retiring helps because they will not need to pay for a starting QB.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/28/at-some-point-cowboys-may-have-a-decision-to-make-on-tony-romo/
And there's this:
http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/27/salary-cap-wise-heres-what-happens-if-tony-romo-retires-in-2016/
Well shit, I completely missed that post. I swear I scrolled through.
Dammit.
Apologies.
Ha. No worries. Just giving you shit.
The funniest thing is that you linked exactly the same site I used for my post. So had I not forgotten to include the link, you could have been accused of plagiarism instead.
Sanchize takes his "talents" to Dallas.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 12s13 seconds ago
Former Broncos and Eagles QB Mark Sanchez is going to sign with the Dallas Cowboys, league source tells ESPN.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 12s13 seconds ago
Former Broncos and Eagles QB Mark Sanchez is going to sign with the Dallas Cowboys, league source tells ESPN.
Because they need a backup QB? Seriously, there's a reason that Minny overpaid for Bradford...
Agreed. When I saw that the Cowboys picked up Sanchez for nothing I said "good move." If they waste first team reps on him then it is a silly move, but in fairness, he is a better than average backup.