2016 Ryder Cup - Hazeltine National GC

Number45forever · Aug 30, 2016

Absolutely can't wait for this. I have a feeling Furyk is getting picked unless he totally no-shows in all the playoff events. But I'm with you, wish he'd take the next four from the list. Holmes was great in 08 when the US last won. Rickie and Kuchar have to be there, right? And fuck Bubba, but he seems to rise up for the Ryder Cup.

That said, I love this Europe team. They are stacked and with some impressive rookies. It's going to be a battle.

4 6 3 DP · Aug 30, 2016

Regardless of his form I am delighted that Poulter is not on that Europe team. He would rise from the dead and start holing everything.

Sox and Rocks · Aug 30, 2016

The Ryder Cup is one of my favorite sporting events of the year. I'm already looking forward to it.

RG33 · Aug 30, 2016

The Four Peters said:
In other news, I'll be attending all 3 practice rounds and all 3 tournament rounds this year. Anyone else going?

We rented a house about 1.5 miles from the course. We're golfing on Wed-Friday, and going on Saturday and Sunday. PM me if you want to grab a beer.

bostonbeerbelly · Aug 30, 2016

I had been planning to attend for the past year and a half. Entered the raffle and won tickets for Saturday and Sunday. However trip of a lifetime to Old Head in Ireland came up so that is where my money is being spent. I think my friend may still have his 4 tickets for Saturday's round if anyone is in need of tickets.

WayBackVazquez · Aug 30, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Also - I'm really curious what it'll be like during the event. I can't tell if it it'll be better, worse, or just different than a normal tournament.

I was at Oakland Hills in 2004 on Saturday and Sunday. Obviously that was an ass-kicking by the time I got there, so it was not one of the more exciting events. But it is definitely different. Obviously because there are so few players on the course, there's not nearly as much golf, and you're faced with lots of decisions about whether to stand around, or try to go check out one match or another. That year, they handed out (maybe you had to rent them for a few bucks) walkman-type devices that had play-by-play of each match on a different channel, so you could figure out what was going on and decide which match to follow.

Have fun, it's definitely an experience worth having.

RG33 · Aug 30, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Yeah, my buddy and I are heading out on Monday (he's driving), got an AirBnB in Minneapolis about 20 mins away, and have tickets to every day. We'd like to try and golf but can't decide 1) When the right time is and 2) If it'll even be possible to get tee times during then. But we'll bring our clubs and see what happens.

Also - I'm really curious what it'll be like during the event. I can't tell if it it'll be better, worse, or just different than a normal tournament.

I went to Scotland 2 years ago. It was totally different than a regular golf tournament. The energy was awesome. Constant buzz in the crowd (bring an earpiece for your phone so you can listen to the app). Wasn't a crazy huge crowd, but wasn't small either. Having people from all over the world was a ton of fun -- we dressed in US garb and hung out and made friends with way more Europeans than Americans (all be it in Scotland). Aside from the Patriots/Seahawks SB, it was probably the best sporting event that I've attended. It's a blast.

cshea · Aug 30, 2016

Pieters over Russell Knox is a bit of a surprise on the European side.

On the US side, I feel like Bubba, Kuchar and Fowler are safe and will be the first 3 picked after the BMW. To me, that 4th pick is up for grabs. JB would be the guy in based off the standings, but he's in the midst of a pretty poor stretch. 6 MC's in his last 13 starts, including 4 of his last 6. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with him, even though he was good in 2008. The remainder of the playoffs is almost a 3-week qualifying phase for the final spot. JB, Furyk and maybe some one like a Justin Thomas, Gary Woodland, Scott Piercy or Ryan Moore from a bit further down the standings gets hot and garners some consideration.

Anyways, I love the Ryder Cup. Brookline in '99 is really what got me hooked into following pro golf. It is easily my favorite golf event on the calendar, even with the US sucking so much recently. Can't wait.

steveluck7 · Sep 1, 2016

Article about DL III and his use of statistics to help pick the remaining Ryder Cup players.
Prepare yourself

Two statistics are most often cited in these situations – final-round scoring average and birdie average.
Final-round scoring average is often applied to these picks because playing the Ryder Cup is akin to the pressure a player faces on Sunday with a title on the line, but that pressure is applied from the opening hole onward.
Among the leading candidates for a pick, Jim Furyk leads the field on this front at 18th on the PGA Tour in final-round scoring

Full article

cshea · Sep 1, 2016

Channeling 1980 with Eruzione?

johnmd20 · Sep 1, 2016

God damn, he's getting people prepared for the Furyk pick.

HoyaSoxa · Sep 1, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Furyk really wore 58 on his jersey? Egads.

He is a huge Steelers fan, surprised they got him to wear a Pats jersey at all. I have to think Kraft gave him the 58, not that he requested it.

cshea · Sep 1, 2016

As much as I dislike Furyk, I wouldn't blame him for wearing #58 everywhere. if I shot at 58 I'd probably get 58 tattooed on my forehead.

Conigliaro's Potential · Sep 1, 2016

I hesitate to ask...but why do you dislike Furyk? I understand why you might not want him to be picked for the Ryder Cup team, but disliking him personally? The success he's had with such an unorthodox swing is enough to automatically start him on my good side.

(Mind you, the same could be said for Bubba Watson, and there are plenty of reasons not to like him.)

FL4WL3SS · Sep 1, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Furyk really wore 58 on his jersey? Egads.

Are you kidding? I would rename both my kids fifty eight if I shot a 58 on tour.

FL4WL3SS · Sep 1, 2016

That Euro team is more likeable than the US team, but it's closer than it's been in years. McIlroy is not nearly as likeable as he used to be and the new blood on the US team is refreshing.

cshea · Sep 1, 2016

ConigliarosPotential said:
I hesitate to ask...but why do you dislike Furyk? I understand why you might not want him to be picked for the Ryder Cup team, but disliking him personally? The success he's had with such an unorthodox swing is enough to automatically start him on my good side.

(Mind you, the same could be said for Bubba Watson, and there are plenty of reasons not to like him.)

Mostly the Ryder Cup, but I also find him boring and painful to watch at times. He can be extremely slow and brutal to watch.

cshea · Sep 12, 2016

First 3 picks coming up at 11am. I'll guess JB, Kuchar and Bubba.

luckysox · Sep 12, 2016

This will be interesting with regard to Fowler. He missed out on the Tour Championship by 1 spot. He could not break 70 at Crooked Stick when the leaders were throwing up low and mid 60's all week. By all accounts, the guy is not one of the hottest non-qualified players right now...and yet, he is in many ways, the face of American Golf these days. He's likable. He cares about the Ryder Cup a lot. And he's one of the insiders of the new Ryder Cup era. I think JB, Bubba and Kuch are likely to be chosen today - which leaves Rickie out in the cold, as he is not playing the next event. But will they leave him out in the cold?

cshea · Sep 12, 2016

Fowler, JB and Kuchar.

johnmd20 · Sep 12, 2016

They didn't leave him out in the cold and it's down to Bubba and Furyk now.

Greg29fan · Sep 12, 2016

luckysox said:
This will be interesting with regard to Fowler. He missed out on the Tour Championship by 1 spot. He could not break 70 at Crooked Stick when the leaders were throwing up low and mid 60's all week. By all accounts, the guy is not one of the hottest non-qualified players right now...and yet, he is in many ways, the face of American Golf these days. He's likable. He cares about the Ryder Cup a lot. And he's one of the insiders of the new Ryder Cup era. I think JB, Bubba and Kuch are likely to be chosen today - which leaves Rickie out in the cold, as he is not playing the next event. But will they leave him out in the cold?

Fowler being an "insider of the new Ryder Cup era" tells you a lot about why we keep getting our asses handed to us - eight matches and as many wins as all of us.

luckysox · Sep 12, 2016

Well, despite his crap play, I'm excited. I flat out love Rickie and I hope he plays well. I also love, love, love the JB pick. I am so glad he started to hit it well again and score because he was good back in '08 and only knows winning. That's both unusual for the US team, and good. Kuch sort of bores me to death, but he's neither here nor there. Actually, he's being sort of funny right now in the press conference. So, point Kuch. Hope his good putting stroke comes with him.

Bubba must piss a lot of people off; he's 7 in the world, he made the Tour Championship, he crushes it, he's all patriotic and stuff, he's got experience in Ryder Cups/President's Cups, he went to the Olympics - huh. If they really are having the team have a lot of input, I think we'll know how much he is unliked if he does not make the team in 2 weeks.

I think a case can be made for Justin Thomas - he is good friends with Rickie and he's playing well, and my understanding is the guy is very well liked.

johnmd20 · Sep 12, 2016

Fowler played pretty well in the Ryder Cup two years ago and halved a couple of matches because he played so well. Then he ran out of gas and got crushed on the last day because they relied on him too much.

There was also that pretty impressive halve 6 years ago when he was down 4 holes with 4 to play and won the next four to push. That said, he hasn't ever gotten a full point and that isn't great. But I don't think he's been a colossal failure in the Ryder Cup.

And I'm like luckysox. I love to root and watch Rickie and I'm very excited he was picked.

Bubba was recently voted the least liked player in golf ,(April 2015) edging out amazing guys like Patrick Reed(on a image rehabilitation resurgence, however), Rory Sabbitini, truly a quintessential asshole, and Robert Allenby, who is, simply put, a shady dude.

Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat · Sep 12, 2016

Team chemistry is clearly an important aspect this year. I would love for Justin Thomas to be the final pick, but he'd probably have to pull off something like a top 3 in 2 weeks to have a real shot.

kenneycb · Sep 12, 2016

johnmd20 said:
Bubba was recently voted the least liked player in golf ,(April 2015) edging out amazing guys like Patrick Reed(on a image rehabilitation resurgence, however), Rory Sabbitini, truly a quintessential asshole, and Robert Allenby, who is, simply put, a shady dude.

And Bubba voted for himself. Because he's a giant douche.

Sliceboy · Sep 12, 2016

ABB...anybody but Bubba for the last pick. There is no pouting in golf. Watson was 0 -3 in the last Ryder Cup at Gleneagles (though getting stuck with Webb Simpson didn't help). Furyk, with his 'fairways and greens' game is a safe but boring pick. With the US losing 6 of the last 7 Ryder Cups how about skipping the Furyk re-tread pick and going with Daniel Berger to get some youth and enthusiasm on the squad, along with a few extra yards off the tee.

Number45forever · Sep 12, 2016

Hazeltine is a monster course. We need distance. We don't need Furyk and his atrocious Ryder Cup record.

cshea · Sep 12, 2016

Bubba and Holmes were 2-1-1 as a pair in the President's Cup last year. Obviously the PC is a different animal than the Ryder Cup, but that may help point the needle in Bubba's direction.

Possible pairings:

Spieth/Reed- Best pairing in 2014
DJ/Kuchar- 2-0 together at Medinah
Mickelson/Fowler- Friends. Seems like you get the best from Phil when he is paired with a young guy.
Koepka/Snedeker- Bomber and a good putter
Walker/ZJ- Seem to have complementary games.
Holmes and the 4th pick.

HoyaSoxa · Sep 12, 2016

I could be misremembering, and I cannot find another source, but I believe I heard Ted Bishop tell Geoff Shackelford and Joe House that Spieth asked Watson not to send him out with Reed in the foursomes in 2014, despite their four-ball success.

FL4WL3SS · Sep 12, 2016

Is that Jeff Shackelford's podcast? Because if it is, I find him grating and annoying.

Papelbon's Poutine · Sep 13, 2016

Fucking A. I have to choose for rooting for Bubba or Furyk being the last pick? I'm going to be rooting for Justin Thomas hard.

cshea · Sep 13, 2016

Anyone listen to the No Laying Up podcast? Is that one any good?

luckiestman · Sep 13, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Yeah it's Shackelford and Joe House. They are both annoying at times but they do talk a lot about golf and have good topics and interviews. They're also not really competing with many (any?) other golf podcasts too which helps their cause.

House is not annoying, House is an Everyman God. Shackelford is not good (I'm being kind)

johnmd20 · Sep 13, 2016

Papelbon's Poutine said:
Fucking A. I have to choose for rooting for Bubba or Furyk being the last pick? I'm going to be rooting for Justin Thomas hard.

At least Bubba is a good golfer. I would pick Bubba if given the choice.

johnmd20 · Sep 13, 2016

The Four Peters said:
Yeah it's Shackelford and Joe House. They are both annoying at times but they do talk a lot about golf and have good topics and interviews. They're also not really competing with many (any?) other golf podcasts too which helps their cause.

It's a great golf podcast. I am with you. TeamT4P.

HoyaSoxa · Sep 13, 2016

luckiestman said:
House is not annoying, House is an Everyman God. Shackelford is not good (I'm being kind)

I get the sense that I would not enjoy hanging out with Shack. I also get the sense I would very much enjoy hanging out with House. That said, Shack has some good insider scoop and seems to get strong guests, so that makes this probably the best golf podcast out there. My biggest complaint is that it seems to have double the live-read ads of the other Ringer pods, but that's not too tough to skip through.

johnmd20 · Sep 13, 2016

Yeah, Podcast ads are really really easy to blow through. And there isn't a lot of choice when it comes to golf podcats and Shack and House do a very good job.

ernieshore · Sep 13, 2016

cshea said:
Anyone listen to the No Laying Up podcast? Is that one any good?

I think it is pretty good, but it is too infrequent and intermittent.

I think ShackHouse is just OK, but I give them credit for doing fairly regular previews and recaps of the big events. And as mentioned above, they do get some big guests. Some other golf podcasts I've checked out:

Golf Weekly out of Ireland is great and my favorite, but it also tends to disappear. It is Irish/Euro-centric, understandably, but not completely and they talk about the US Tour a lot.
GOLF.com is OK. It has the Sports Illustrated connection and I like reading those guys,
Friends of Tiger is similar to No Laying Up in that you get some of the sames guests, and a little different perspective on the Tour (not so reverent), but I'm still just getting into this one.
Race to Dubai - if you want pretty generic recaps of the Euro Tour events.

Papelbon's Poutine · Sep 13, 2016

johnmd20 said:
At least Bubba is a good golfer. I would pick Bubba if given the choice.

I would choose him as well, I just hate him on a personal level as opposed to hating Furyk on a golf level.

As someone else stated, Hazeltine is a tough course for Furyk because it's so long. So hopefully that at least factors in.

johnmd20 · Sep 13, 2016

Papelbon's Poutine said:
I would choose him as well, I just hate him on a personal level as opposed to hating Furyk on a golf level.

As someone else stated, Hazeltine is a tough course for Furyk because it's so long. So hopefully that at least factors in.

Agreed all around. But Love loves(!) Furyk. And that's a problem.

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