There has been very little reporting on the Agholor situation in the last 48 hours. I think that the rush to judgement on McCoy has everyone nervous, but on the flip, there has to be videotape of this incident somewhere if it happened in the club.
2016 Eagles: Nothing But the Second Best
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Yeah, right?
I like the Cox deal. I believe that it isn't the huge deals where you re-sign your top talent that you regret, it's the mid-level deals for guys who suck after their 4th game with you and the big FA signings that kill a team. In a 4-3 if Cox can stay healthy he will be very very good.
I got no issue with the deal, it's inline with similar level players esp given a rising cap, I would like to see what he does in a 4-3 before that much guaranteed, I assume that's why so much gets guaranteed after the year, so time to adjust if needed.
Eagles have very few star type players, pay wise, and post Bradford next year are cheap at QB. Couldn't lose him, this seems about fair (looking at Suh and McCoy).
Eagles have very few star type players, pay wise, and post Bradford next year are cheap at QB. Couldn't lose him, this seems about fair (looking at Suh and McCoy).
Holy moly!!!!! I just saw you were back from the Gronk thread!! Welcome back!!
Edit: I now realize this perhaps could have been sent as a PM... But so it goes.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnd Lane Johnson gets busted for the 2nd time for PEDs and gets the 10 game suspension. Apparently this voids the remaining guaranteed money on the deal he signed in January, so at least they have that going for them. Not like finding LTs is difficult or anything. FUCK.
Leaves the Titan's WR depth chart with:
Kendall Wright
Andre Johnson
Harry Douglas
Tre McBride
Rishard Matthews
Justin Hunter
Tajae Sharp
Not really an inspiring list. Maybe they really needed the OL upgrade, but I don't think they were dealing from an excess of roster talent at the WR position. If DGB could play then I doubt the Titans move him. With the two obvious caveats that this could be off field related or the Titans are just wrong in their player evaluation.
Kendall Wright
Andre Johnson
Harry Douglas
Tre McBride
Rishard Matthews
Justin Hunter
Tajae Sharp
Not really an inspiring list. Maybe they really needed the OL upgrade, but I don't think they were dealing from an excess of roster talent at the WR position. If DGB could play then I doubt the Titans move him. With the two obvious caveats that this could be off field related or the Titans are just wrong in their player evaluation.
It's gotta be off-field. DGB led the team's WR in yards last year and is only 23.
I'd love to hear the Eagles fans' thoughts on Kelly. For a team that just lost its starting left tackle, it seems kind of odd to trade away an offensive lineman. If it were the Cowboys doing that, I know I'd be well and truly steamed. But there's a history there with the guy who runs the show, so my view might be colored by that.
Kelly is a turn-style at tackle.
He's absolutely a liability there. They may or may not able to be replaced by a player of equal or better quality (honestly it's hard to imagine someone massively worse).
He's serviceable at guard, so decent depth guy overall. Can start at Guard and emergency fill in at T.
If he is starting at tackle you better have a lot of QBs.
It's a bit odd they are willing to trade him with Lane Johnson seemingly increasingly likely to be missing 10 games, but I can't complain because I'd rather a random guy who might surprise than a known awful.
It makes the offense likely even worse this year, to be honest, but it was likely eh to bad anyway. But if DGB works out he is a guy you can't get off the street or waivers. I think at Tackle Kelly is just that, and they have guard options.
Plus if Bradford is drilled all year <shrug> he';s only there as a filler anyway.
So I like the trade. The Eagles are a waste land at WR esp if they blew a first round pick! It's Matthews and ?
Pretty ballsy to trade your supposed back up Tackle for a problematic upside play while you're finding out if your starting RT is suspended or not.
But bottom line Kelly isn't a Tackle for me, and isn't really needed at G so got to like the move really. If thye find a scrapheap RT I doubt there's much difference vs Kelly.
The real scare is when Peters gets hurt and they have no tackles. Poor Sammy
Eagles do indeed sign tulloch as sort of rumored for some time
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000688705/article/eagles-exlions-lb-stephen-tulloch-agree-to-terms
1.75m guaranteed and 3m total one year.
Since the 7th round pick walker tore his acl, people had been saying lots of good things about him, given hicks' I jury history depth was vital.
However, that's a lot for a backup vet. So there's the inevitable set of bored writers wondering if hicks or kendricks could be at risk. Esp given Schwartz seems to love his guys.
Hicks is a potential stud. I would be more than displeased if he was benched or moved outside. It's dumb. Esp for eh tulloch. Kendricks... He's been disappointing and the new regime clearly cares not for Kelly contracts. So the fact he's signed and paid well means less. Hicks too maybe. A Kelly pick.
At this point this Bullshit needs to be over. There are no more Kelly roseman guys. Just Eagles. Signing mediocre aging players for depth fine. To replace young talent is quite another. This is a rebuild offensively. The NFC east suuuuuucks so I hope they aren't going for it a bit. The d is solid if the offense is OK they can do 500 ish. But you ain't winning anything with this offensive talent.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000688705/article/eagles-exlions-lb-stephen-tulloch-agree-to-terms
1.75m guaranteed and 3m total one year.
Since the 7th round pick walker tore his acl, people had been saying lots of good things about him, given hicks' I jury history depth was vital.
However, that's a lot for a backup vet. So there's the inevitable set of bored writers wondering if hicks or kendricks could be at risk. Esp given Schwartz seems to love his guys.
Hicks is a potential stud. I would be more than displeased if he was benched or moved outside. It's dumb. Esp for eh tulloch. Kendricks... He's been disappointing and the new regime clearly cares not for Kelly contracts. So the fact he's signed and paid well means less. Hicks too maybe. A Kelly pick.
At this point this Bullshit needs to be over. There are no more Kelly roseman guys. Just Eagles. Signing mediocre aging players for depth fine. To replace young talent is quite another. This is a rebuild offensively. The NFC east suuuuuucks so I hope they aren't going for it a bit. The d is solid if the offense is OK they can do 500 ish. But you ain't winning anything with this offensive talent.
What bullshit are you talking about? Hicks isn't benched, or moved, or cut. Pederson literally said moving him outside was not the plan. Kendricks hasn't just been disappointing, he's been bad. A bad player losing his job usually has more to do with the fact that he's bad than it does about being someone else's guy.
I think your outright hatred for Roseman clouds your judgement sometimes. The LB unit is thiiiiin, and they brought in. LB that may be able to help. That is not a bad thing.
Last point - I agree with you that the division is weak. I think they've got a good chance to win that weak division. And I think their defense can be good enough to make some real noise in the playoffs, offensive deficiencies aside. We'll see.
I think your outright hatred for Roseman clouds your judgement sometimes. The LB unit is thiiiiin, and they brought in. LB that may be able to help. That is not a bad thing.
Last point - I agree with you that the division is weak. I think they've got a good chance to win that weak division. And I think their defense can be good enough to make some real noise in the playoffs, offensive deficiencies aside. We'll see.
I'm saying that this is a lot for a bench player who doesn't player special teams. Kendricks has been disappointing in camp and Schwartz has come pretty close explicitly criticising him.
I'm pleased to have him as depth for Hicks, given his history. If they have just overpaid for that, fine. Not like they haven't done this for QB for example. But I see Schwartz guys playing with the firsts which I don't approve of (Brooks over Rowe is probably the best example). I am concerned about a Schwartz guy on a decent contract being favoured over a Kelly guy. We shall see. I don't believe it!!! AS I SAID!
As I say post Walker they needed to do something, there has long been a fit here and it was likely about negotiations, which the Eagles lost all edge on with the Walker ACL.
I literally said. IE people are speculating. I also said I hope not, veteran depth good, pushing out younger talent bad.
I don't like Roseman, but I have been pretty clear I think he has done a pretty great job this offseason. I do worry about giving up so many picks on Roseman's judgement given his last two first round picks have been an epic disaster. But it's not like it's just Roseman who like shim, and reading up since has mitigated my concerns somewhat.
So I think you are misreading what I am saying.
I hope you're right re playoffs, esp as they don't have a first if they were to suck. I like the D a lot, but I think the offense is likely BAD, clearly the worst in the division.
Agreed all round. I had high hopes for Kelly when he came out of college and even looked halfway decent for a few games in his first few seasons, but he just hasn't panned out. Like you say, he is a slightly-worse-than-league-average Guard, but a bad Tackle. There is a hypothesis out there that the high octane offense hurt him more than others due to his size, and that he would be more effective in a "normal" offense, but I wouldn't take that to the bank.
I'm not going to go bananas on DGB. He is a head case and he didn't set the world on fire in Tennessee, but on the flip, they had a tough offense. We'll see, he can't be any worse than some of the guys we have in there now. Man did Chip destroy our receiving corps, and blow a lot of picks in doing so.
I'm surprised that you are upset about Brooks over Rowe. Brooks has - it seems - played pretty well in camp and in the preseason games (NB: I only watch short periods of preseason games where Carson Wentz is not playing). But on the flip, I guess I get it. Rowe is young and dammit, he should be decent. Let's see when the games begin.
As far as playoffs....The NFC East is pretty interesting. You have the Giants and the Cowboys who have good offenses but bad defenses, the Redskins who seem to be decent but not great on both sides, and then the Eagles who have the potential to have a top 10 defense (please note....potential) but, more likely than not, a bottom 10, maybe even bottom 5, offense. I foresee much drinking on Sundays in my future.........
Also, Tulloch has said that he will play Special Teams. He may have just said that yesterday or the day before, but he has said that he would do it. May have been part of the negotiation that took so long.
I saw the tulloch st stuff, I thing this helps. We shall see. I don't think Schwartz likes Kendricks.
RE Rowe. I think he's very talented and flashed in his late season chance. I don't think they are competitive this season really, so I want to see him develop. Not some retread average guy take his snaps.
I'm OK with if they think Brooks is better NOW and until Rowe learns the d better and or they are out of delusional dreams they go with Brooks now and Rowe later.
I'm also not really upset about it. But I think Rowe is one of the two best long term corners on the team, and needs to develop. I also hope there's no Kelly stink on him.
RE Rowe. I think he's very talented and flashed in his late season chance. I don't think they are competitive this season really, so I want to see him develop. Not some retread average guy take his snaps.
I'm OK with if they think Brooks is better NOW and until Rowe learns the d better and or they are out of delusional dreams they go with Brooks now and Rowe later.
I'm also not really upset about it. But I think Rowe is one of the two best long term corners on the team, and needs to develop. I also hope there's no Kelly stink on him.
So Rowe was not in the game until after the undrafted rookies and Kendricks was playing late in the 4th with the scrubs and refused to talk to the media.
Still think there's nothing here? I think Kendricks has a problem. Rowe is good I just don't understand him being buried.
Defense again looked excellent. But it's preseason.
Offense looked good but the Colts were missing like their whole secondary!
The awful. The drop> interception by agholor was BAD he needs to get his shit together.
Smallwood finally gets to play and gets concussion on his what second or third carry.
Encouraging. The Eagles look very good out of three TE set. Burton is good. It helps their oline blocking and they have three good receivers there. I think this is used a lot and I like it.
Huff flashed. His talent with the ball in hand often shines.
The fade to DGB... On a small corner that's stealing. I love him as a red zone option. Three TE and him is some big big bodies down there.
Still think there's nothing here? I think Kendricks has a problem. Rowe is good I just don't understand him being buried.
Defense again looked excellent. But it's preseason.
Offense looked good but the Colts were missing like their whole secondary!
The awful. The drop> interception by agholor was BAD he needs to get his shit together.
Smallwood finally gets to play and gets concussion on his what second or third carry.
Encouraging. The Eagles look very good out of three TE set. Burton is good. It helps their oline blocking and they have three good receivers there. I think this is used a lot and I like it.
Huff flashed. His talent with the ball in hand often shines.
The fade to DGB... On a small corner that's stealing. I love him as a red zone option. Three TE and him is some big big bodies down there.
I was surprised about Rowe to be honest, but the message that seems to be flowing through the various Eagles message boards, radio et al is that he will be on the roster and will have a role. He may have been nursing something or Schwartz was looking to stash him a bit. The Eagles defense looked good, let's see what happens when the games begin. I will be more worried about Rowe if he plays a ton in the final preseason game......
Fran Duffy on twitter and his online presences did some great analysis of the Eagles' sets and how Pederson looks to be putting in the foundation of some interesting stuff already. If you haven't looked at them, they are worth a few minutes review while pooping.
I liked the Randle cut. Don't waste time, don't waste reps.
As far as Kendricks goes........I am rather torn. I can't help but think that this kid could be pretty good based on some of the stuff from his rookie campaign. But on the flip, we could be looking at another Chris Gocong here, and nobody wants that.
Final point.....I think Dak Prescott is going to be a shitshow, but I am fascinated. I don't want to post anything in the Cowboy thread as it could be perceived as trolling, but to me the pros and cons play out as follows, please share your thoughts:
Pros: Started a bunch of games in college, which correlates well to NFL success
Has a dad named Nathaniel, which is pretty awesome. By which I mean insanely awesome.
Set a veritable cornucopia of school records in the SEC, which is no mean feat
If you look at the Cowboys' schedule, there are not many teams projected to have top 5-10 defenses there. There is a decent chance that the Eagles' defense will be the best defense he faces
Cons: He is a rookie QB who will be thrown immediately into the fire. There are a lot of NFL folks who feel strongly that you can't do this. I'm fascinated to see how this goes. I love the thought of challenging this assumption.
Accuracy. Mark Schofield and I don't agree on this one, but Mark does feel that Prescott struggles with ball placement:
http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2016/01/15/senior-bowl-coaching-pointers-dak-prescott-and-accuracy/ I'm not quite as sold on that, I think he locks in on receivers, which may or may not be coachable. Frankly, I hope Mark is right now that he is not an Eagle. You can't do that stuff with NFL corners and safeties.
Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett stinks as a head coach. There, I said it. He was a QB at Princeton and should be awesome at developing QB talent, but when Romo went down last season his QBs looked like deers in headlights. Even Romo gets put into shitty positions in my opinion. It may be that Prescott will have a unique development path given this very unique situation, so all of this may be moot, but the track record is not awesome in my opinion.
May or may not have struggled with NFL level talent. Prescott's game against Alabama last season was godawful. The whole offense played poorly but man of man did he play like crap. He looked comparably poor against A&M and was uneven against LSU. The one team that had a pretty darned good defense that he shredded was NC State, who he made look absolutely silly. By the end of the game he was bouncing the ball off of defenders' helmets en route to completions just to make it interesting for himself. Let's see.
Like I say, I don't want to have the Prescott discussion seep into the Cowboys thread only because I don't want it to seem like we are trolling. The Cowboys fans in that thread are good folks and while I hate the Cowboys with a deep, enduring passion, I like those guys. But with that said, Dak Prescott is as interesting a thing happening in our division right now (what with the Giants' kicker beating the crap out of his wife repeatedly being pushed out of the headlines as quickly as it has been.......), so I'm interested in hearing opinions.
I think there is compelling evidence dak struggled on short and intermediate throws in addition to locking on.
A lot of good scout would have had to get him really wrong, I mean he's not hard to scout, plenty of tape. The only evidence against is two preseason games Vs late string d.
I'm def in prove it mode. Also the whole fact that bloggers are saying the team is just as good without Romo is hilarious. I mean just stop.
Oh and on Kendricks they said he needed extra reps and he's still the starter today.
A lot of good scout would have had to get him really wrong, I mean he's not hard to scout, plenty of tape. The only evidence against is two preseason games Vs late string d.
I'm def in prove it mode. Also the whole fact that bloggers are saying the team is just as good without Romo is hilarious. I mean just stop.
Oh and on Kendricks they said he needed extra reps and he's still the starter today.
Yeah, the overreaction to Romo is ridiculous. I've always hated the Cowboys, but I still respected Romo for being a really solid QB.
Back to the Eagles, they cut Rueben Randle and Chris Givens among others. How badly must they have played to not make the Eagles' WR corps?
Back to the Eagles, they cut Rueben Randle and Chris Givens among others. How badly must they have played to not make the Eagles' WR corps?
Givens just didn't do much all camp and Randle loafed by most acocunts. He was supposed to be soemthing of a mentor, so when it was clear he didn't give a shit and KEPT making dumb plays (every giants fan is likely nodding right now) it looked clear for a while.
It's Mathews, Agholor, Huff, DGB and the 5th could easily be a waiver pick up. It's not a great unit though young and plenty of potential. But the drops potential sheesh
I think this is another reason they go TE heavy, Burton is a stud for a third TE.
It's Mathews, Agholor, Huff, DGB and the 5th could easily be a waiver pick up. It's not a great unit though young and plenty of potential. But the drops potential sheesh
I think this is another reason they go TE heavy, Burton is a stud for a third TE.
Andy would always cut guys who had a shot at making other squads as early as possible so that they could optimize their chances. This was perceived very positively by players per comments made over the radio by former players. My thinking is that both guys really performed sub-optimally (which was what all the reports said) and Pederson went with the Reid approach. Otherwise it seems odd to drop both guys so early.
I think in general teams around the league tend to cut more experienced players now. I think part is courtesy to vets, but there are also different circumstances with the 75-man and 53-man cut-down. Going from 75 to 53 you can put players on IR, and you're also going to fill out your practice squad right after. A lot of the young bubble guys left are PS candidates, so you don't want to cut them now, but the vets can't be added to the PS so it makes sense to jettison them at the cut-down to 75.
Randle's a lock to cause a handful of interceptions every year from running incorrect and/or imprecise routes and generally just being on a different page (or different playbook) from his quarterback. Not worth the promise of his physical gifts, despite the few good games he puts up every year.
This is 100% right. He's physically talented but just doesn't have the brain to be an NFL WR. It's hard to be sure how many picks were his fault the last two years, but it was a LOT. As a Giants fan, I was happy to see him cut and quietly hoped that the Eagles would actually waste regular season snaps on him. Oh well.
2017 first and 2018 fourth lololol. Maybe Eagles gave back a second or something???
Holy shit, really?
If I'm the Eagles, this is a great move as Bradford isn't getting them to the promised land. A 1st and another pick? Wow.
If I'm the Eagles, this is a great move as Bradford isn't getting them to the promised land. A 1st and another pick? Wow.
so the Vikes get Bradford and a future QB controversy for a #1 and #4?
they should have tanked in '16.
they should have tanked in '16.
Minnesota has the talent to contend this year. Great defense, great running game, and improved receiving weapons. With Teddy B, they would have been my sleeper NFC title pick this year. With Bradford, they should still make the playoffs.
Oh that's right. It is pretty much still a fleecing, but Bridgewater sounds like at the very least he will miss some of 2017 too. So if Bradford stays healthy (ha!) he'll likely be the QB for two years.
