Pitching Targets
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Why does anyone think the Red Sox are going to trade one of their key assets for a catcher? At worst, their catching group is serviceable. It's not a serious position of need, certainly not one DD will trade Benintendi for.
Because in overpaying for Lucroy with Benintendi, the Sox could also acquire the LHRP they "need" or possibly even the long-term LF they would really really need after trading their heir apparent away.
Tom @Haudricourt 13m13 minutes ago
Ryan Braun removed from #Brewers lineup and, no, he is not being traded. A recurrence of right side tightness that has bothered him.
I'm assuming you mean Braun? Do we really need another Hanley Ramirez type contract? Braun is a terrible LF at this point and he'll be 33 and DH'ing in two years. He's the sort of guy that would clear waivers anyhow. Pass.
I'm pretty sure I would rather see the Red Sox lose without R.Braun than win a World Series with R.Braun. That's how much I like R.Braun.
I would feel better about the catcher situation if the Red Sox added a bat in LF (Reddick or C.Gonzalez would be nice).
I would feel better about the catcher situation if the Red Sox added a bat in LF (Reddick or C.Gonzalez would be nice).
Ryan Hannable of WEEI says Benintendi's absence from the lineup is likely due to him playing 11 days in a row and it's a routine day off.
Heard on another site that Vazquez was pulled from PawSox game. Benintendi also out, White Sox scouts at all of our minor league games yesterday and they reportedly want a young catcher. Smoke?
He wasn't pulled. He was never in the paw sox lineup
“@alexspeier: The same goes for Vazquez, who is sitting after he caught back-to-back Th-F. He hasn’t played 3 straight days since being optioned.”
I'd rather the Sox go in the opposite direction and see if they can get anything useful for Hanigan.
Thinking this all means the Sox aren't doing anything further noteworthy. Maybe a "whatever"-caliber outfielder and/or reliever...
Moncada is the starting point for Sale. Back up the truck after that. This isn't a guy who has two months left on his contract. Top three pitcher in baseball signed to a ludicrously cheap contract.
Perfectly reasonable for the White Sox to say no also. There's no need to trade Sale on our end. Have fun with your 4.00+ ERAs in the playoffs. I don't see you guys beating Toronto or Texas.
I'm pretty sure that it was implied in my message that the White Sox might not accept that offer. If not you move on with what you have, maybe pick up a bullpen piece and see what happens.
Perhaps an accurate point but "in the playoffs" are the operative words.
Mods, this could be a good "he gone!" opportunity if BABIP needs feeding
If you want to see playoff baseball, you can always head over to Wrigley. May even see our 4.00 ERA's at Wrigley in late October too.
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 4m4 minutes ago
For now, other clubs believe Chris Sale will stay with #WhiteSox. But a lot can happen between now and 4 pm ET Monday. @MLB
For now, other clubs believe Chris Sale will stay with #WhiteSox. But a lot can happen between now and 4 pm ET Monday. @MLB
Yes, and Rob Bradford predicted Pomeranz would be flipped last week on WEEI.
I can't imagine anyone giving the Red Sox something useful for a washed up player like Hanigan (negative WAR).
If you're the White Sox, do you ask for Rodriguez or Pomeranz? I guess people will have different opinions on that, but I would ask for Rodriguez--younger, more team control, more electric stuff.
I do wonder if DD rushed into making the Pomeranz deal (he may have done the same when he traded for Kimbrel). If he waited a little longer, he could have offered Espinoza to the White Sox, along with other trade chips, for Sale.
And probably would have ended up with nothing. How many times are you going to post the same thing?
How many times has he posted that we need a LF? Let's count and maybe we can figure out frequency and days left before deadline. Is it a rate stat or a counting stat?
Texas might not even make the playoffs. They are a complete mirage.
Toronto looks awesome right now but JA Crapp is overperforming and their bullpen is weak - they are not as good as last year.
the AL is up for grabs this year - which is why the Indians are GFIN'ing themselves with Lucroy
I wouldn't waste any prized assets on another starter for this team including Sale. There's going to be a major change to the strike zone next year, and who knows how that will affect certain pitchers. I know that the teams could look at pitch tracking data and make educated guesses about players going forward, but there will be some who may mentally struggle with losing the bottom part of the current strike zone, and who they may be you really can't know until these guys have to adjust to it.
DD knows the starting point for Sale is NES and/or Moncada. By all accounts, he's reluctant to trade them, so the secondary pieces (Espinoza, Margot, Devers, Rodriguez) are irrelevant. He doesn't want to trade them the top 2 guys.
Not making the Kimbrel/Pomeranz deals would not have impacted our ability to get Sale.
Does he? Do you know he knows that? Do I know you know he knows that? [Well, that's what I'm pointing out here.]
I'll acknowledge that at one point a few weeks back, when the Red Sox probably offered Espinoza or an Espinoza-led package for Sale, the White Sox probably turned it down and said you need to include one (or both) of Moncada/Benintendi. And DD probably decided he'd rather roll the dice with the Pomeranz proposal he had in hand rather than wait to see if things changed closer to the deadline.
But I'm not at all sure that an Espinoza-led package might not be adequately appealing to the White Sox today. [Espinoza-Devers-EdRo-Swihart -- I don't know that might get it done.]
At this second, with three uninspiring Pomeranz starts under the Red Sox belt, it looks unfortunate that DD jumped, but I don't want to be unfair with the 20/20 hindsight as it made sense to me at the time. If, God forbid, Pomeranz never gets past John Burkett-level performances, then we'll all have a right to bitch, particularly at the scouts who felt Pomeranz's success would translate.
You mean the same scouts that thought Rusney's, and Panda's skills would translate? The same scouts that missed the fact that Rusney couldn't hit a minor or major league curveball before they gave him a ton of money.
So if Pomeranz really is European for "regression" then I think we can lay some of the blame for this trade on Brian Bannister.
Bannister is convinced that cutters can beat BABIP but that doesn't appear to be the case thanks to this FG article.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/drew-pomeranz-and-beating-babip/
Bannister is convinced that cutters can beat BABIP but that doesn't appear to be the case thanks to this FG article.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/drew-pomeranz-and-beating-babip/
Hey- Hanley had a terrific July and has been athletic enough to play 1st.
And he's cheerful.
Those would, I'm pretty sure, be different scouts, considering that they wouldn't even have the same boss.