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Has a single other person cited "Nats sources" that they would offer Giolito? Or anyone claiming the offer was actually made? We have Morosi saying they would and Heyman saying the NYY wouldn't accept. Wouldn't someone else have it?
 

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Joel Sherman wrote about it a bit, he always has good Yankee sources:

"Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweeted Friday that outside executives “believe” the Nats would trade Giolito straight up for Miller. The Yankees have not heard that offer, nor would they make the deal if offered.

Giolito is No. 1 in some prospect rankings. However, two scouts not from the Yankees have raised concerns about the righty’s tenacity, saying his performance this year has not matched his reputation. The Yankees do like him, but have enough concerns that they would want other pieces to mitigate some fears they have or they would simply want a different combination of Washington prospects."

http://nypost.com/2016/07/29/yankees-wouldnt-trade-andrew-miller-for-nats-gem-lucas-giolito/
 

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So, again, no reason to think it's legit.

It's funny how quickly we forget what Twitter has done to this time of year, while we are in the midst of it.

If it walks like a duck...
 

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Following Scott Lauber's story, word around Chisox Friday was that they had scouts at every Red Sox farm games last night
 

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Following Scott Lauber's story, word around Chisox Friday was that they had scouts at every Red Sox farm games last night
If Sale is truly in play, you have to make a run at him. Just don't trade Moncada. Maybe Edro, Benintendi, ++.
 

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The Chapman trade set the market for elite pitching in general. I just don't see a way that Moncada won't be involved if Sale is available. Not sure if Quintana could be had without Moncada, but I'd imagine he's even more valuable with a few more cost controlled years. Would rather it be Moncada then any of the big B's.
 

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Jim Bowden so consider the source. But he thinks the White Sox are going to deal Sale and that the Red Sox are talking to them.

With 50 hours to go until the trade deadline here is what we're monitoring: Red Sox- White Sox on Chris Sale talks; Nationals -Pirates on Melancon talks; Dodgers-Giants chase of Bruce/Reddick/relievers;Cubs pursuit of Rays starter; Mariners pursuit of Cozart; Indians/Mets pursuit of Lucroy; Rangers big move; Astros surprise move; Tigers standing pat; with the headliner of this trade deadline still looking like it's going to be a Chicago White Sox Fire Sale.....as in Chris.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0551070688291590879-4
 

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Following Scott Lauber's story, word around Chisox Friday was that they had scouts at every Red Sox farm games last night
This makes me feel slightly better than if they only had scouts at the Portland game. But only slightly.

Sale would come here and post a 5.35 ERA
This is pretty much my fear as well. There are all kinds of warning signs that he may not be the pitcher he has been: not just the scary monthly OPS and ERA splits, but the career-low K/9 and career-high HR/9, FB velocity the lowest it's been since early 2013--with one side effect that his FB/changeup differential is smaller than it's ever been, which may be one of the reasons why he's cut his changeup usage in half this year. This is concerning both because the period of his greatest dominance (2014-15) has corresponded precisely to the period of his increased changeup use, and also because he's replacing those changeups largely with sliders, which presumably puts his arm more at risk. The impact of all this is maybe most obvious in the whiffs per swing graph: he's down in this department for all his pitches, but especially for his changeup, which for the past two years has been as good a swing-and-miss pitch as his slider.

I'm not saying I don't want him. But I don't want the Sox to give up what he will cost. He seems like an excellent candidate to be John Lackey 2.0, except we didn't have to give up any top-10 prospects for Lackey.
 

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I'm not saying I don't want him. But I don't want the Sox to give up what he will cost.
This is where I am as well. They've been so inconsistent that it doesn't seem like a wise investment, short term (for this season) or long term (for the prospects it will take; a much larger package than just one guy). There are no super teams out there, so maybe they think they can maneuver their way to a title. But I really tend to doubt that possibility -- with the schedule working against them and Papi really one misstep from going down in a heap.
 

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We had an awful week of luck and play and are still just about three-way tied in the east. I wouldn't GFIN any more at this point
 

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Some Lucroy news

“@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets made three-player offer to #Brewers for Lucroy, headed by d’Arnaud. Second piece believed to be Nimmo or comparable player.”


Have to match something like that if we want him
 

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Some Lucroy news

“@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets made three-player offer to #Brewers for Lucroy, headed by d’Arnaud. Second piece believed to be Nimmo or comparable player.”


Have to match something like that if we want him
I really wish the Red Sox wouldn't focus so much on Sale. They need a LF and another bullpen arm, and everyone knows that Sale will be a total overpay. I had a bad feeling that DD is going to empty out the farm system for Sale.

I would say that D'Arnaud and Nimmo are comparable to Swihart OR Vazquez (depending on the Brewers preference) AND Basabe? It is hard to find a comparable player to Nimmo since he is having success in the upper levels--the Red Sox's best prospects are below him (in terms of minor league level).
 

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I really wish the Red Sox wouldn't focus so much on Sale. They need a LF and another bullpen arm, and everyone knows that Sale will be a total overpay. I had a bad feeling that DD is going to empty out the farm system for Sale.

I would say that D'Arnaud and Nimmo are comparable to Swihart OR Vazquez (depending on the Brewers preference) AND Basabe? It is hard to find a comparable player to Nimmo since he is having success in the upper levels--the Red Sox's best prospects are below him (in terms of minor league level).
How do we know that they're focusing so much on Sale?
 

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago


Sources: #WhiteSox scouted #RedSox’s AAA, AA and High A affiliates last night. Sox “highly doubt” deal will occur due to asking price.

“@Ken_Rosenthal: Blanketing of #RedSox’s system by #WhiteSox was first mentioned by @pgammo. Some believe CWS simply laying groundwork for off-season trade.”
 

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“@hoynsie: Sounds like Indians were more interested in lefty Will Smith, but Milwaukee wants to package him with Lucroy. Stay tuned.
 

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How do we know that they're focusing so much on Sale?
One of the above tweets made it sound like Sale is a high priority target for the Red Sox. Of course, that doesn't make it true.

Would Smith, Lucroy for Swihart, Owens be possible?
The Mets offer for Lucroy is better than your offer for Smith and Lucroy. According to reports, the Mets are offering D'Arnaud and Nimmo. D'Arnaud and Nimmo > Swihart and Owens.
 

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I'm curious what a veteran catcher like Lucroy might be worth to this pitching staff and Lucroy/Leon would be a pretty formidable tandem behind the plate.
I guess I'm curious -- if this interest is legit -- why they don't believe Leon/Hanigan/Vasquez/Swihart is strong enough to get them through this season
 

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I guess I'm curious -- if this interest is legit -- why they don't believe Leon/Hanigan/Vasquez/Swihart is strong enough to get them through this season
Vasquez has a weak bat (a small sample size, but he isn't doing much in AAA either). Leon has never been able to hit prior to this season; the Red Sox probably expect him to regress to career norms. Swihart is hurt and some people believe the Red Sox don't think highly of his defense, which is why they want him to learn LF. I won't even mention Hanigan for reasons that are pretty self-explanatory.

I would like to see the Red Sox upgrade C and/or LF in order to add more offense.

Dave Cameron put forth this argument:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-red-sox-should-trade-for-another-hitter/
 
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I guess I'm curious -- if this interest is legit -- why they don't believe Leon/Hanigan/Vasquez/Swihart is strong enough to get them through this season
I also think that the catching is good enough to get them through, I'm just curious if a guy like Lucroy helps stabilize the pitching staff. Maybe that's the lesser of evils when considering the price of pitching.
 

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Vasquez has a weak bat (a small sample size, but he isn't doing much in AAA either). Leon has never been able to hit prior to this season; the Red Sox probably expect him to regress to career norms. Swihart is hurt and some people believe the Red Sox don't think highly of his defense, which is why they want him to learn LF. I won't even mention Hanigan for reasons that are pretty self-explanatory.

I would like to see the Red Sox upgrade C and/or LF in order to add more offense.

Dave Cameron put forth this argument:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-red-sox-should-trade-for-another-hitter/
I'm not so sure that they need more offense, but more timely offense in close games sure would be nice.
 

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This will make your head spin a bit ... Vazquez not in Pawtucket's lineup tonight, Benintendi not in lineup for Portland. Kinda odd for a Saturday night.
 

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Theres also the chance that they could take back Ryan Braun in a deal, making it easier to sacrifice their future LF. Im not a fan of the guy, but that would be a monster offensive team both now and next year.