2016 Jets: Diaper Dandies

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I think he'd be okay with a 1 year $12m deal, because it lets him test the market again next year. If that's the deal the hold up would more likely be with the Jets, who would want something more like 2 years / $18, with the additional $6 not guaranteed.
 

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I think he'd be okay with a 1 year $12m deal, because it lets him test the market again next year. If that's the deal the hold up would more likely be with the Jets, who would want something more like 2 years / $18, with the additional $6 not guaranteed.
I think it has been reported multiple times that they offered him 1/$12 and he turned it down. I think he wants a multi year deal. If it is a 1 year deal I think he is seeking $15-ish.
 

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I think it has been reported multiple times that they offered him 1/$12 and he turned it down. I think he wants a multi year deal. If it is a 1 year deal I think he is seeking $15-ish.
I don't think you can trust what has been leaked to the press especially if it was leaked by the Jets.

Further, I think it is the Jets who want the multi-year deal so that they can lower the cap hit on this year. The Jets can not currently afford a $12 million cap hit for this year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/02/jets-not-interested-in-one-year-12-million-for-fitzpatrick/

The pending three-year offer that would pay Fitzpatrick $12 million in the first year has two extra years attached to it in order to lessen the 2016 cap charge for one of the few teams that currently has cap issues. If, for example, the pending offer from the Jets includes a $9 million signing bonus and a $3 million salary in 2016, Fitzpatrick would count only $6 million against the cap this season. Under his proposed one-year contract, the cap hit becomes $12 million.
 

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The league still done anything with Sheldon Richardson's arrest from last July for driving 143mph, eluding police, having a 12 year old passenger and a concealed loaded gun in the car (along with the smell of pot in the car), right? I tried a Google search to see if discipline was handed down yet but it doesn't appear to be the case. I'm sure Roger is on it though.
 

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Maybe the NFL is waiting for The Peterson appeal ruling to come down before acting? Likewise they could also be waiting for "all the facts" to become available.

I believe none of this of course. Even though he's a Jet and even if we assume special dispensation because of a Jet bias in the league office, I'm surprised he didn't get a game at the very least.
 

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Joe Namath said at NYC luncheon Tuesday, "I think Geno's going to be the starting quarterback no matter if Fitzpatrick comes back or not."
 

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Joe Namath said at NYC luncheon Tuesday, "I think Geno's going to be the starting quarterback no matter if Fitzpatrick comes back or not."
Did he also say that he wanted to kiss Schefter?

If they sign Fitz, it will be at big dollars and it will not be for the purpose of making him the back up. Oh, and he is a lot better at football than Geno.
 

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Did he also say that he wanted to kiss Schefter?

If they sign Fitz, it will be at big dollars and it will not be for the purpose of making him the back up. Oh, and he is a lot better at football than Geno.

A guy gets drunk around a cute lady one time on tv...
 

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Jets WR Eric Decker is a pro-Fitzpatrick guy, but he suggested yesterday that Ryan Fitzpatrick's contract impasse is a distraction because of constant questions from the media. "It takes away from focusing on everyone else in the locker room and what our goals are and what we're trying to accomplish this season," he said yesterday.
 

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Wilkerson is not a happy Jet, either.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/muhammad-wilkerson-lets-loose-on-shocking-way-jets-have-treated-him/

The Jets still have not locked up Wilkerson with the long-term contract they have professed to want to sign him to for two years. Instead, three months away from the season he remains locked in a contract standoff with the team.

“It’s shocking. It’s frustrating,” Wilkerson told The Post in an exclusive interview. “Because I feel like I’ve earned it and I deserve it. It would be different if I was just a mediocre player. I feel like each and every week I’m dominating and it’s showing. The stats speak for themselves. Basically, what more do I need to do? You know what I mean?”
 

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Glad to see definitely that the Jets dysfunction did not leave town with Rex. Also figured Decker would be a bit more mentally tough than being distracted by questions about his QBs.
I don't see much dysfunction. Guys want money, team wants to give them less. It's not like toe sucking and tattoos in the playoffs.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/16/wilkerson-has-it-wrong-the-jets-want-him-for-one-more-year/

I wouldn't necessarily call it dysfunction, but the cap management this offseason has certainly been questionable. I can understand not wanting to extend Wilkerson when they have Richardson and Williams in house, but then why didn't they try harder to trade him? He's due to make $15 million this year under the franchise tag. That money could be used this year in other areas. Specifically, right now their starting QB is Geno Smith.

Plus, they risk alienating their team by spending big on outside free agents (Revis, Forte, Decker, Marshall) and not spending on home grown talent. In light of the QB situation and their cap problems, was Forte the right choice?
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/16/wilkerson-has-it-wrong-the-jets-want-him-for-one-more-year/

I wouldn't necessarily call it dysfunction, but the cap management this offseason has certainly been questionable. I can understand not wanting to extend Wilkerson when they have Richardson and Williams in house, but then why didn't they try harder to trade him? He's due to make $15 million this year under the franchise tag. That money could be used this year in other areas. Specifically, right now their starting QB is Geno Smith.

Plus, they risk alienating their team by spending big on outside free agents (Revis, Forte, Decker, Marshall) and not spending on home grown talent. In light of the QB situation and their cap problems, was Forte the right choice?
Wilkerson is their best defensive player. Together with Richardson and Williams, Wilkerson is the foundation of the Jets defensive scheme. Richardson has a legal issue hanging over his head. They lost Harrison to free agency. They didn't draft anyone this year who (on paper) looks like a major contributor. Their DL is thin after the top 3 of Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams. Trading Wilkerson would create a gaping hole in their defense - and the guys they could plug in are not any better than "Geno Smith". Creating a massive hole by trading their best player so they can get one more season of Ryan Fitzpatrick is... not optimal management, IMO.

You make a good point about Forte - that was a bad use of money. Some NFL teams and some fans still haven't figured out how fungible RBs are. I understand the blind spot - it is like baseball teams thinking they need a proven closer. God knows, we Red Sox fans have no recent situations from which we can see how a team that believes in a "proven closer" can get hoodwinked into overpaying for said "proven closer".

The right move would have been to give Fitzpatrick the money that went to Forte, and then spend the remainder on a bargain back like Alfred Morris.

Trading Wilkerson - who is a great player - for pennies on the dollar was never the "smart" play for the Jets. Tannenbaum would have done it though, so I understand why it keeps coming up.
 

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I don't get the Forte thing. The Geno thing is wait and see for me. Stories out of last preseason was that he was performing at s higher level than Fitz. I was not a fan of the Geno pick but I'm agnostic about him. I also don't know if extending Wilkerson is the right move. Seems like he will command too much money.

If Revis can play at close to his top form, he is more important than Mo but that's a big if.
 

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I don't disagree but then perhaps they should have worked harder to extend Wilkerson while lowering his cap hit for this year. If they got an extension done before Cox got his deal from Philly they may have even landed a bargain in comparison.


The Broncos are in a similar situation to the Jets with Von Miller and the franchise tag, potentially overpaying for their running back, and their QB situation, but they are coming off a dominant Super Bowl victory which soothes a lot of problems. Additionally, the Broncos appear, to me anyways, as having preserved a better relationship with the player they have under the franchise tag.

I am not necessarily saying the Jets did anything wrong because it is obviously a tricky process, but I also wouldn't say that they handled this situation optimally.
 

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I don't get the Forte thing. The Geno thing is wait and see for me. Stories out of last preseason was that he was performing at s higher level than Fitz. I was not a fan of the Geno pick but I'm agnostic about him. I also don't know if extending Wilkerson is the right move. Seems like he will command too much money.

If Revis can play at close to his top form, he is more important than Mo but that's a big if.
Revis turns 31 this July. Wilkerson turns 27 this October. The days of Revis being an elite player are over. And he is somewhat injury prone. It is absolutely foolish on the Jets part to pay Revis and not Wilkerson.
 

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Revis turns 31 this July. Wilkerson turns 27 this October. The days of Revis being an elite player are over. And he is somewhat injury prone. It is absolutely foolish on the Jets part to pay Revis and not Wilkerson.

Isn't that water under the bridge? I thought Revis' salary was guaranteed this year. Or at least too big of a cap hit to do anything
 

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If Wilkerson leaves as a free agent, you will be correct @tims4wins

IF the Jets have another successful season in 2016 and then tag or re-sign Wilkerson, you're wrong.
 

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Richardson gets 1 game. Getting Tweet from Schefter.


NFL announced Jets DL Sheldon Richardson suspended for season opener for personal-conduct policy violation
 

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I liked Loyko's tweet in reply:
Loaded Gun, Drugs, high speed chase, kids in car. One game suspension. Gotta protect the integrity of the league.
A little more on what got Sheldon a game:

 
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I'm confused with the NFL math.
Did he get a 1-game credit for the loaded gun, high speed chase, engdangering a child to reduce a drug suspension of 4 games to just the one game?
 

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I liked Loyko's tweet in reply:


A little more on what got Sheldon a game:

I'm sure if he was a Patriot he would be out for the season. All of this favoritism from the league towards the Jets and they still struggle to compete for the playoffs...
 

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I'm sure if he was a Patriot he would be out for the season. All of this favoritism from the league towards the Jets and they still struggle to compete for the playoffs...
Brandon Spikes got 4 for leaving the scene. Really do believe that New York teams typically get off lighter from league offices - but this is just absurd. Unfortunately it will fall well below the radar because NBA & NHL FA, Luck deal, and July 4th weekend.
 

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Can we stop comparing person x's suspension to some hypothetical suspension if person x was a Pat? I know it's been brought up before but holy hell is it annoying to read the same retread drivel over and over.
 

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Can we stop comparing person x's suspension to some hypothetical suspension if person x was a Pat? I know it's been brought up before but holy hell is it annoying to read the same retread drivel over and over.
My point wasn't Pats and more most/all league offices take it easy on NY teams. As a Pats fan I was most familiar with the Spikes case - so that is what I chose as my example. That being said I would have interpreted my post the same way.
 

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Can we stop comparing person x's suspension to some hypothetical suspension if person x was a Pat? I know it's been brought up before but holy hell is it annoying to read the same retread drivel over and over.
Amen. We've rehashed that argument so often here that there's nothing to be said that hasn't already been said repeatedly.
 

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My point wasn't Pats and more most/all league offices take it easy on NY teams. As a Pats fan I was most familiar with the Spikes case - so that is what I chose as my example. That being said I would have interpreted my post the same way.
Spikes injured three people in a crash on the interstate, then fled the scene. That's a lot worse than reckless driving and resisting arrest, which were the only charges brought against Wilkerson. Spikes also had a prior suspension for PED use; I'm not sure if that's supposed to matter, but I'm sure it does as a practical matter.
 

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Spikes injured three people in a crash on the interstate, then fled the scene. That's a lot worse than reckless driving and resisting arrest, which were the only charges brought against Wilkerson. Spikes also had a prior suspension for PED use; I'm not sure if that's supposed to matter, but I'm sure it does as a practical matter.
Not to maintain a Pats/Jets comparison, but wasn't Wilkerson serving a 4 game suspension at the time of his arrest?
 

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Spikes injured three people in a crash on the interstate, then fled the scene. That's a lot worse than reckless driving and resisting arrest, which were the only charges brought against Wilkerson. Spikes also had a prior suspension for PED use; I'm not sure if that's supposed to matter, but I'm sure it does as a practical matter.
The facts of the Wilkerson case were must worse than what he was charged with. It would not have been unprecedented for the NFL to take into account all factors of the incident - going beyond just the charge in making their disciplinary determination.

I will also argue the each incident was terribly dangerous and in no way was "a lot worse" than the other. In both instances innocence was at risk.

"FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Around 4:45 p.m. Thursday, Jets defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson, already suspended for the first four games of the season for violating the N.F.L.’s substance abuse policy, said he had recently told the team that it did not have to worry about his name “being in the news again.”

Less than two hours later, the St. Charles County prosecuting attorney’s office in Richardson’s native Missouri announced that he had been charged with resisting arrest and several traffic violations after a car he was driving two weeks ago was clocked at 143 miles per hour. The car also contained a 12-year-old and a fully loaded handgun and smelled of marijuana, a police report said."
 

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Revis turns 31 this July. Wilkerson turns 27 this October. The days of Revis being an elite player are over. And he is somewhat injury prone. It is absolutely foolish on the Jets part to pay Revis and not Wilkerson.
While I agree that depending on a 31 year old corner is, on paper, risky, saying that Revis is no longer elite is not, at this point, a fair statement. I don't deny that the guy could fall of the table at any moment, but he has not shown himself to be a second tier corner as yet. He really is a very special football player.
 

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According to Over the Cap, they only have 8.7M in cap space right now.

Any candidates for restructures?
 

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Wide receiver Brandon Marshall and cornerback Darrelle Revis — two of the best at their respective positions — had an intense 1-on-1 battle on the field that culminated with the two going to blows, according to eyewitness accounts. Marshall and Revis jawed on the sideline after the former beat the latter for a reception during team drills, according to NJ.com. Marshall reportedly then threw a punch at Revis, striking him on the shoulder.
http://nesn.com/2016/08/brandon-marshall-throws-punch-at-darrelle-revis-in-fight-at-jets-practice/
 

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Future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson made a one-day visit to the Jets last week as part of his training-camp tour for the NFL Network, and his biggest takeaway was this: The Jets are ripe to overtake theNew England Patriots in the AFC East.

"If there's ever a year to knock off the Patriots, it has to be this year for the Jets or for somebody else to win this division," Tomlinson told me. "It has to be the Jets. When you think about it, they have enough experience on both sides of the ball. If Ryan [Fitzpatrick] can play at the level he played last year -- and maybe just a little bit more -- they should do it. They should do it. He's had his best years under [offensive coordinator] Chan Gailey. That's why I'm so optimistic."

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/61866/ladainian-tomlinson-time-is-now-for-jets-to-overtake-patriots
 

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Future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson made a one-day visit to the Jets last week as part of his training-camp tour for the NFL Network, and his biggest takeaway was this: The Jets are ripe to overtake theNew England Patriots in the AFC East.

"If there's ever a year to knock off the Patriots, it has to be this year for the Jets or for somebody else to win this division," Tomlinson told me. "It has to be the Jets. When you think about it, they have enough experience on both sides of the ball. If Ryan [Fitzpatrick] can play at the level he played last year -- and maybe just a little bit more -- they should do it. They should do it. He's had his best years under [offensive coordinator] Chan Gailey. That's why I'm so optimistic."

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/61866/ladainian-tomlinson-time-is-now-for-jets-to-overtake-patriots

I think the Jets should play well but the schedule is tough through the first six games and they dont get the Pats w/o Tommy. If they can start 3-3 or better, I'll start hoping.
 

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In a potential SB preview between the team called NY that plays in Jersey and the team called Washington that plays in Maryland, we have the Jets up 2 - zip on a hands to face penalty in the end zone. 6:18 is left in the half.
 
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