NYY Trade Deadline Thread

Hahaha, even I only dared to think Harper/Machado at most.

Donaldson will be 33 at the start of the 2019 season, I don't see that one happening, but I wouldn't be surprised if NY avoids spending big money on anyone for two more years and goes after both Harper and Machado.

Edit: Actually that is two seasons away, 2017 and 2018.

Also, obviously depending on the pitching staff and dropping off Donaldson, that probably wouldn't be such a high payroll team, at least by NY standards. Gregorius would be in his last arb year, Judge/Bird/Sanchez/Mateo all very cost-controlled. Obviously what Cashman is trying to do if doofi Levine and Hal let him sell is to add another core cost-controlled guy or two to this potential group, Joey Gallo or whoever.

Also 21 year old 3B Miguel Andujar is maybe part of a 2019 hopeful plan like this also, on the 2015 and 2016 All-Star teams in high A and holding his own in AA for the last month.

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=609280#/career/R/hitting/2016/ALL

E5 Yaz said:

Ellsbury will need a Segway by that point

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Yeah, not thrilled about Castro still being in there either, but both are under contract that long, unfortunately.

Papelbon's Poutine said:

To the bolded - as one of the handful of Yankee fans I don't find complete idiots, surprisingly all of them exist here - when do you guys think that day will ever come?

How many years have we heard that Cashman has complete control, the Steinbrenners (dad or kids) or Levine are stepping back and he will be able to run the team as he sees fit? And then it plays out like that?

It's gotta be frustrating for you guys.

Jesus Christ I just felt bad for a Yankees fan. [emoji55][emoji379]

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Well, I don't think any GMs really have complete control, they all have general or specific overall budgetary constraints for starters.

I think with Cashman and Hal/Hank etc, it's gone back and forth somewhat. Let's ignore the George years and just go to some of the major events in recent years:

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2007-2008 offseason: Hank overrules Cashman and signs A-Rod to an obscene extension, although NY doesn't come anywhere near a title in 2009 without the centaur. The other upside of this deal is that Hank never again makes an important decision, his smarter (but not that smart) brother Hal takes over fully.

2008-2009 offseason: Cashman gets permission to spend big on Sabathia and AJ Burnett, but doesn't have room left for Teixeira, who he thinks may put them over the top. He goes and begs to management to be allowed to sign Tex also, they give permission but I think this uses up a lot of Cashman's leeway for subsequent years, at least until the Tex deal expires (finally after 2016).

2011-2012 offseason: I think this is when Hal decided he wanted to get under $189M, which messed up NY quite a bit. It wasn't a terrible idea but it should have been jettisoned long before it was, from memory in the 2012-2013 offseason after so many of their main prospects had underachieved or gotten hurt that year.

2013-2014 offseason: Finally they do dump the 'trying to get under $189M' plan, at least a year too late, and immediately follow up by throwing money at whoever will take it first (literally in the case of Beltran and Shin-Soo Choo), ending up with one good deal (Tanaka so far), two solid deals (McCann and Beltran), and one awful awful deal (Ellsbury). I kind of attribute these to/blame these on Hal, because without the $189M plan, Cashman could have staggered his big-ticket purchases over the previous offseason or two also.

And now in the last year or two, especially in 2014 when those four deals collectively seemed a lot worse than they do now, Cashman has been able to institute his plan of bringing in younger players and trying to minimize big-money long-term commitments, at least until some of the ones they have now expire. This hasn't had great results so far, but the farm system is slowly improving and Didi is a definite keeper.

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So actually I think NY is more on track right now than they have been since building the title teams in the mid-90's, but they need to stick to it for it to potentially amount to anything. It doesn't bother me too much that Hal and Randy aren't fully on board with selling off guys yet, it's Cashman's job to convince them that's the way to go over the next couple of weeks. If they don't and it comes out that they passed up good deals, I will not be happy.

Also I'm a Knicks and Jets fan, the Yankees are easily the smartest organization of those three...

Yeah, exactly. The MLBN people went a little overboard on that one.

Rough Carrigan said:

In defense of what you say, JA, I was watching the MLB Network the other day and Dan O'Dowd was on and was asked about Owner-GM interaction as to whether to buy or sell. He said that pretty much every GM has to make his case to his team's owners and try to justify why he wants to be either a buyer or seller at the deadline. And because the GM is an employee of the owner, if the GM wants to sell but the owner wants to buy he's going to have to buy and he's going to have to defend buying in the press. It's not just Cashman.

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Yeah, and if it's someone like John Henry or Ted Lerner who only have a chunk of their wealth tied up in the team, it's probably easier to give the baseball people at least a bit more control. The Steinbrenners have nothing besides the Yankees basically, it's their entire fortune. If George hadn't died in 2010, the one year with an estate tax exemption, they would have had to sell the team to pay the estimated $500M-$600M estate tax.

(And I would have thrown a party, but that's slightly beside the point.)

Papelbon's Poutine said:

Oh, I'm aware that most owners are going to play a part. It just seems like Cashman has to deal with it on a whole other level. Maybe it's just the extended media coverage that shines a light on it more or maybe he's just more vocal about it. But it certainly seems he's at the forefront of it and it's cited every time his contract is up as a reason he might finally go elsewhere. I don't think it's crazy to suggest the Yankee owners are more hands on than most.

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Probably you're right, I think there are a few factors there: their MLB-leading payrolls, the new Stadium in 2009 that they couldn't really pay for, and the Steinbrenners having pretty much all of their assets tied up in the team, as I said. It wouldn't be a problem if Hal was just like 10 percent smarter, or if Randy Levine got hit by a bus.

Yeah, things seem to be heating up, I'm guessing Chapman goes tonight. The above is one thing I came here to post, the other is from CLE:

Mike Ortiz Jr. ‏@xOrtiz4x 2h2 hours ago
Sources: Yankees are asking Indians for a deal around Bradley Zimmer/Clint Frazier plus Justus Sheffield/Triston McKenzie.

Mike Ortiz Jr. ‏@xOrtiz4x 2h2 hours ago
Cont. Deal will involve Aroldis Chapman on the Yankees side. I'm told deal could be done tonight.

NY could bundle McCann in that CLE deal also (he has a no-trade), but CLE desperately needs a catcher and NY needs to give Sanchez a chance (and Higashioka/Torrens behind him).

E5 Yaz said:

If Hal and Randy say so

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Yeah, obviously.

Not to contradict Jayson Stark, but I think, piecing together all of the alleged leaks, that Hal has basically given the OK to move Chapman depending on the price, just maybe not anyone else yet.

E5 Yaz said:

Your knees are grinding holes in the ground praying that McCann is dealt

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Heh, if it was up to me, I would really clean house. Tex onto the DL for season-ending surgery, A-Rod DFAd, Chapman/Gardner/McCann/Nova all dealt, and Miller too if they can get a package they are really happy with for him (if not, there's always the offseason and next year).

Rian Watt ‏@rianwatt 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing but cannot confirm that deal is done, Chapman for Torres +. Holdup is Chapman extension talks. 4/$60 on table.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 15m15 minutes ago
Gleyber Torres, who's been scratched, was in offer to Yankees. Torres plus for chapman is on table. #cubs #yanks

Rian Watt‏@rianwatt
To be clear: deal may not be consummated if the Cubs don't get the extension they want. Package is set. Extension is not.

Not sure Chapman is going to go for that, he may want to go to free agency.

Hee Sox Choi said:

I'm guessing Theo expects Chapman's agent to come back with 5/75. Chapman seems healthy and I could see him getting 6/95+ on the open market, the guy is so dominant.

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He is an incredible athlete, he supposedly could beat Billy Hamilton in a 100 yard dash when they were Reds teammates and he is a weightlifting monster.

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 35s35 seconds ago
Once Chapman traded, rival exes expect NYY to continue processing offers on Andrew Miller. Unclear if they will trade him,but they'll listen

The guy who broke the Sale story yesterday:

Tommy Stokke ‏@StokkeTommy 19m19 minutes ago
Sources: #Cubs have deal involving Torres in place, hopeful done by Monday. @JonHeyman says he's in #Yankees offer:

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/nl/chicago-cubs/cubs-deal-place-gleyber-torres/

Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:

I'm surprised Washington isn't after Chapman big time. Maybe they don't like domestic violence in DC.

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Word is they want him, but they may have been outbid by the Cubs.

Hee Sox Choi said:

I'm going to be pissed if the Yankees turn 4 shitty prospects into one uber-prospect!

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He's pretty far away from the bigs still (Torres), and he's not exactly destroying high A this year (although he is only 19). Also he is bulking up and is looking more like a 3B than a SS...

That being said, NY is getting more in this deal than just Torres, according to reports.

Hee Sox Choi said:

I think the chance of Chapman taking a 4/60 deal is pretty slim, but that's probably Theo opening things up with his low offer and they'll work on an extension over the next 24 hours. What do you think, Jon Abbey?

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I think if I'm Chapman, I am going to free agency at this point almost no matter what I'm offered. On the other hand, Chicago does have an incredible young core and it does seem like a nice place to be, and it removes any risk for Chapman if he gets hurt in the next two months.

Just to be clear, it seems to be Torres-plus for Chapman, not 1 for 1:

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 7m7 minutes ago
If Cubs finish deal for Chapman, likely will give up a secondary piece along with Torres.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 5m5 minutes ago
Yanks and cubs are working on torres-plus for chapman deal, and hoping to finalize

Not that we need more confirmation at this point, but:

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago
Sources: #Yankees have indeed discussed Class A shortstop Gleyber Torres as centerpiece of deal with #Cubs for Chapman. @jonheyman on this.

ThePrideofShiner said:

Any chance they ask for Adam Warren to be included?

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Joel Sherman (on vacation this week, back tomorrow, tweeting from a plane) suggested this, and it would make a lot of sense as he has been a bust for CHC.

Also, FWIW, none of the main beat writers are talking about an extension for Chapman being a crucial condition for the deal, only the one BP writer linked above.

RedOctober3829 said:

If they're giving up Torres+, I'd expect them to want an extension.

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It seems like there may be more players involved from NY's side also, Eovaldi or Beltran or Pineda.