2016 PGA Tour
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They tell Nordqvist after she hit her 3rd shot but before Lang hit her 3rd. Another bungling job by the USGA in informing the players.
I'm no golf guru, but this is ridiculous. Either earlier (immediately after 17, before her tee shot or certainly before 2nd shot) or after 18 is completed or at least after Brittany's 3rd shot
At the very minimum they should've waited until after Lang hit her 3rd to tell both players. Lang got to adjust her strategy, Nordqvist didn't.
The USGA has got to fix this. On the final day, for the leaders anyway, there should be a rules official on the spot who make the definitive call right then and there. If he can't see that grain of sand move, then there should be no penalty. Imagine if in the 9th inning they go to replay on a pitch in the 7th inning and decide that a called ball was actually a third strike and thus the two runs that scored afterwards are disallowed because it was the final out of the inning. The team that thought it was ahead finds out with one outs in the 9th that it is behind. Meanwhile it has made defensive changes taking its best hitters out of the lineup. That's similar to what happened today and it's not right.
Call should be made on the spot and be final, at least as the leaders are on the back nine of the final day, and certainly during a playoff. If they can work in an instant replay, fine, but there should be no changing the score two holes later. It sucks.
Call should be made on the spot and be final, at least as the leaders are on the back nine of the final day, and certainly during a playoff. If they can work in an instant replay, fine, but there should be no changing the score two holes later. It sucks.
I agree. I watched it live and was horrified when they showed it on TV a hole later and the only person that saw it up until that point was the cameraman who was 100x zoomed into the ball.
My main problem with application of the rules based upon what is seen on TV is that it is not handed out in an even handed manner. Many of us criticized the Fox coverage of the US Open because they showed very few members of the field. As such, a separate set of rules applied to the Dustin Johnson's and Jordan Speith's vs. the Rob Oppenheims. It is as if the sport has instant replay but only for a portion of the players.
They need to seriously reanalyze the rules and the practical application of them. For the weekend hacks, the rules aren't really an issue outside of OB (which we always play as lateral), hazards, and drops from cart paths, etc. So to make the rules seem like sanctity for the entire golf playing world is ridiculous. For the tours, have a rules official in each group that matters, honor system for the rest, and settle it before the next tee or its unenforceable. If there are players with a reputation of cheating, the other players will watch them closely, as will officials if they are in the group. 2 strokes for a few grains of sand is a joke even if it was clear to people in the group.
I would have much rather heard Buck and Azinger yesterday say something along the lines of this. "Well the sand definitely moved. It was so hard to see on replay that there is no way the other players or rules official ever saw it. Had they caught it, technically its a 2 stroke penalty, But they've already teed off, so its a moot point. Clearly didn't give her an advantage."
Is anyone going to be upset if something like this gets missed? I'm sure it happens all the time.
I would have much rather heard Buck and Azinger yesterday say something along the lines of this. "Well the sand definitely moved. It was so hard to see on replay that there is no way the other players or rules official ever saw it. Had they caught it, technically its a 2 stroke penalty, But they've already teed off, so its a moot point. Clearly didn't give her an advantage."
Is anyone going to be upset if something like this gets missed? I'm sure it happens all the time.
So Rob is sitting at 140th on the fedex cup point list and 143rd on the money list.
It appears he has potential to play in 5 events before the fedex cup tournament starts - Barbasol, RBC Canadian, Travelers, John Deere, and The Whyndham.
I am trying to understand how he can keep his card for next year.
Scenario 1 - He gets to top 125 on one of those lists and qualifies for the Barclays and automatically keeps his card for 2016-2017 season.
Scenario 2 - He doesn't make the top 125 and he once again goes to the 150 person field - three tournament playoff, where the top 25 players get a card. This is comprised of players 126-200 on the cup point list, and top 75 from the web.com tour?
Are there any other options for Rob that I am missing?
It appears he has potential to play in 5 events before the fedex cup tournament starts - Barbasol, RBC Canadian, Travelers, John Deere, and The Whyndham.
I am trying to understand how he can keep his card for next year.
Scenario 1 - He gets to top 125 on one of those lists and qualifies for the Barclays and automatically keeps his card for 2016-2017 season.
Scenario 2 - He doesn't make the top 125 and he once again goes to the 150 person field - three tournament playoff, where the top 25 players get a card. This is comprised of players 126-200 on the cup point list, and top 75 from the web.com tour?
Are there any other options for Rob that I am missing?
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Calamity for the olympics at this point. Zika seems like such a non event for healthy, young men. Obviously they either don't want to bother going due to exhaustion(a fair concern in the middle of the season and heading towards both the FedEx Cup and the Ryder Cup, for guys like DJ and Spieth) or just don't trust Rio in general, as alluded to above. But guys like Day, Spieth, etc aren't really kidnapping risks because they will be surrounded by people the entire time they are there.
I was pretty fired up for Olympic golf. Now, it's like, whatever.
I was pretty fired up for Olympic golf. Now, it's like, whatever.
Were people ever really fired up over Olympic golf?
It has always been sort of a nuisance for me. It's disturbing the middle of the PGA tour season where we get to watch the same guys playing the same format against each other already. What was the draw? That they are now 'representing' their country? We already have that on the PGA tour - players are presented with their country's flag at each even. We can root for an american to win every week.
If they had chosen a different, team oriented format than I would have been fired up for Olympic golf. This, not so much.
It has always been sort of a nuisance for me. It's disturbing the middle of the PGA tour season where we get to watch the same guys playing the same format against each other already. What was the draw? That they are now 'representing' their country? We already have that on the PGA tour - players are presented with their country's flag at each even. We can root for an american to win every week.
If they had chosen a different, team oriented format than I would have been fired up for Olympic golf. This, not so much.
As far as I know, these are the two most likely ways for him to retain his card. Needless to say, he needs a really strong finish in one, if not two, of these last events to guarantee himself anything. If not, it's back to that playoff format again, where he finished #25 last year. Whatever happens, can't say that this season has been anything but awesome for him. If nothing else, the money he's made this year will be enough to at least keep him going for a few more years.
I'll be the first to admit that I know next to nothing about Zika, but can't it be transferred from a male to their spouse? I thought that was the big concern for some of these younger guys with pregnant wives or soon to be pregnant wives. Either way, I'm with everyone else. I could care less about Olympic golf. For me, the Olympics have always been about the sports I don't pay attention to during the rest of the year (gymnastics, track & field, swimming, etc.). I love watching these athletes compete for the one thing they've trained their entire life for. Going back to the Dream Team days, I basically have no interest in watching a bunch of guys at the top of their profession, millions upon millions in the bank, competing in an event that in reality is no more exciting than at least a half dozen we already get to see them in every year. I feel the same way about tennis, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. I'm way more interested in the British Open this week than I'll ever be about an Olympic golf event.
On the rules issue, it bothers me, as others have stated, that the leaders are held to a different standard but the guys (and women) further down the leaderboard are certainly playing for a hell of a lot too. 3 posts up is a description of a player who has a ton on the line and every spot he could move up has potential life-altering impact. Are we to believe that during the US Opens, the only 2 times a rule was violated was by the leaders on Sunday?
What about the hypothetical guy who finished 27th, a shot behind a top 25? If the same attention had been paid to those right above him, maybe he gets a top 25.
My proposal would be to review the round after the fact and change the penalties to a warning for a first "offense." At least then the player(s) would be on notice and be extra cautious when addressing a putt or starting a backswing in the bunker.
What about the hypothetical guy who finished 27th, a shot behind a top 25? If the same attention had been paid to those right above him, maybe he gets a top 25.
My proposal would be to review the round after the fact and change the penalties to a warning for a first "offense." At least then the player(s) would be on notice and be extra cautious when addressing a putt or starting a backswing in the bunker.
Graham DeLaet has the chipping shanks. They got so bad earlier in the year that he WD'd from the Memorial. Now they're back. It's really scary looking.
Insanely bunched leaderboard at the Canadian Open. Including 21 year old Canadian amateur Jared du Toit.
5 guys tied at the top and a total of 12 players within 2 shots of the lead here with 6-7 holes left.
And 13, 16 and 18 are all reachable par 5's. 17 is a birdie hole as well. Awesome finish shaping up, with a few guys like Wheatcroft, Barnes, etc. in the mix for their first ever PGA win, and a life changing moment.
This is amazing stuff. Vegas posted -12 and it looked like it would be a playoff, maybe a big one. But no one has caught him yet.
And Wheatcroft just bladed one from the bunker into the water. Ouch.
And Wheatcroft just bladed one from the bunker into the water. Ouch.
Rob O. tees off hole 10 at 8:50 a.m. In Cromwell on Thursday. I'm too busy to get to the Travelers this year, but hoping some some Soshers do. It would be fun to follow him around for a full round. Hope he tears it up this weekend.
By Golly!!!! Gee whiz!!!
In seriousness though, probably a good indication that no fucks are given towards Olympic golf by the pros. Wonder if he knows he has to go to Rio.
In other golf news, we're closing in on the Ryder Cup. The teams are starting to take shape, as qualifying ends on 8/28. Here's where they stand:
Team USA- 8 auto qualifiers, 4 captain's picks
1. Dustin Johnson
2. Jordan Spieth
3. Phil Mickelson
4. Jimmy Walker
5. Brooks Koepka
6. Zach Johnson
7. JB Holmes
8. Brandt Snedeker
9. Bubba Watson
10. Patrick Reed
11. Matt Kuchar
12. Rickie Fowler
13. Scott Piercy
14. Bill Haas
15. William McGirt
I don't think we'll see any off the board picks by DL3. Barring injury, I'd guess the current top 12 players are what we'll see at Hazeltine.
Team Europe- 9 auto, 3 captain's picks. They use 2 point lists to determine the team. Here are the current qualifiers.
1. Rory McIlroy
2. Danny Willett
3. Henrik Stenson
4. Chris Wood
5. Sergio Garcia
6. Justin Rose
7. Rafa Cabrera-Bello
8. Andy Sullivan
9. Matthew Fitzpatrick
Soren Kjeldsen is first man out so he is probably a safe pick. Lee Westwood is right behind Kjeldsen and probably gets picked anyway with his history in the Ryder Cup. Final pick is probably a toss up between Martin Kaymer and Shane Lowry. Maybe edge to Kaymer?
Team USA- 8 auto qualifiers, 4 captain's picks
1. Dustin Johnson
2. Jordan Spieth
3. Phil Mickelson
4. Jimmy Walker
5. Brooks Koepka
6. Zach Johnson
7. JB Holmes
8. Brandt Snedeker
9. Bubba Watson
10. Patrick Reed
11. Matt Kuchar
12. Rickie Fowler
13. Scott Piercy
14. Bill Haas
15. William McGirt
I don't think we'll see any off the board picks by DL3. Barring injury, I'd guess the current top 12 players are what we'll see at Hazeltine.
Team Europe- 9 auto, 3 captain's picks. They use 2 point lists to determine the team. Here are the current qualifiers.
1. Rory McIlroy
2. Danny Willett
3. Henrik Stenson
4. Chris Wood
5. Sergio Garcia
6. Justin Rose
7. Rafa Cabrera-Bello
8. Andy Sullivan
9. Matthew Fitzpatrick
Soren Kjeldsen is first man out so he is probably a safe pick. Lee Westwood is right behind Kjeldsen and probably gets picked anyway with his history in the Ryder Cup. Final pick is probably a toss up between Martin Kaymer and Shane Lowry. Maybe edge to Kaymer?
Beef? Dubuisson? Donaldson? Agree that it is hard to see Clarke passing on Kaymer for any of them. Westwood is pretty close to a lock - he has pretty well earned it, he has loads of experience, and he goes way back with Clarke in the Chubby Chandler crew. The only way I could see someone else entering the discussion would be if a surprising European wins Gold in Rio - someone like Harrington or Lingmerth or Luiten.
Also agree that the US squad has to be considered close to set unless Sneds somehow gets passed for the 8 spot (say if Bubba repeats at Hartford) and then someone else in the top 25 (dare I mention Furyk?) gets hot in the first couple playoff events.
I am hoping to make it out on Sunday-- hopefully I will be able to follow Rob O around late in the day.
Meh. They're killing it in apparel, not surprising.
It's not Tiger tanking, it's signing Rory to $250M and having him tank while already having Tiger.
Wonder what happens to Rory's contract and obligations now? They obviously have to let him play other clubs, but do they still have to pay him the same just to wear the apparel? Obviously something has to change, I'm more just interested in the details.
They have to still be on the hook for the money. Nike is a lifestyle brand, so they'll probably try to use him generically, especially if he starts winning again. Which is generally how they use most of their athletes anyway.
I'm sure they're still on a very large hook, I'm just wondering if there were individual components hat handled equipment and apparel. I'd have to imagine Nike had at least an inkling three years ago that they might end up doing this at some point in the near future and probably protected themselves in some capacity. I'd imagine after the celebrated struggles adjusting to new gear he's not pleased but if he still gets all his Nike money, he just got a nice bump to go sign with Callaway Ping or Titleist who don't have apparel branches. Curious to see where he lands.
See, that's the nerdy little details I'm wondering about. Of course my brain works weird and I can be watching a round and suddenly something clicks and I say "hey, Els switched to Admas, he used to be Callaway". I don't know why.
I'd imagine he will have to keep Nike on the hat and end up at Titleist or Callaway which don't require it. Speith wears his UA and Mick and others don't have Callaway on the hat. Ping seems to want it - Bubba, Westwood, etc. The other big players have their own apparel line (Puma/Cobra, Adidas/TM) or I can't see him going there/them spending the coin (Srixon, Adams). I would not be shocked to see him go to PXG at all. That guy is a bored billionaire that is looking to spend money.
Edit: I would love to see Tiger go back to Mizuno.
I'd be stunned if the contracts between Nike and their golf endorsers didn't have provisions written into them to deal with the possibility that Nike exits the golf equipment business.
My guess is that they remain Nike endorsers for a (slightly?) reduced amount but for the shoes and apparel only. And yes, Nike is going to want them to wear the Nike logo wherever they can put it. (Just like Under Armoir does for Speith.)
My guess is that they remain Nike endorsers for a (slightly?) reduced amount but for the shoes and apparel only. And yes, Nike is going to want them to wear the Nike logo wherever they can put it. (Just like Under Armoir does for Speith.)