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MiracleOfO2704

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I agree with giving Froome the same time as Mollema in the end, but there should have been a time penalty regardless for running up the hill w/o a bike. That's a black and white call, and even if the accident was caused by something totally out of his control, you have to take the broken bike w/you.
It's not like it's without precedence though. 2003 Tour de France, Stage 9. Beloki goes down hard, Armstrong cuts across a grassy area and eliminates a turn in the route by doing so. Exactly zero penalty seconds added to his time.

Hell, it's fairly similar for Froome in other ways: a somewhat tight race, where a penalty could decide the yellow jersey, and a competitor for the GC lead (Vinokourov for 2003, Yates for 2016) was finishing well ahead with the potential for a lead change.
 

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This has been the most entertaining TDF I think I've ever watched. I don't like to root for heavy favorites and I kinda wish they hadn't nullified the Ventoux times just to keep things interesting, but it's hard to deny that Froome is absolutely killing it at every opportunity. I just hope he keeps aggressive now that he's got his TT lead and doesn't spend the next week hiding behind his team.

Awesome also to see Cav returned to form, Cummings taking a stage, and great performances from Mollema and Yates. It's all been a joy to watch.
 

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It's not like it's without precedence though. 2003 Tour de France, Stage 9. Beloki goes down hard, Armstrong cuts across a grassy area and eliminates a turn in the route by doing so. Exactly zero penalty seconds added to his time.

Hell, it's fairly similar for Froome in other ways: a somewhat tight race, where a penalty could decide the yellow jersey, and a competitor for the GC lead (Vinokourov for 2003, Yates for 2016) was finishing well ahead with the potential for a lead change.
I thought that the grassy knoll issue was that in order to avoid crashing into the Beloki, Lance hit the grass and it wasn't that big of a deal...I am not sure I remember there being a lot of chatter about it at the time. I'll have to look it up.

I'm watching Today's stage and I am now convinced more than before that Paul and Phil are not allowed to ever mention Lance Armstrong's name. When talking about how there was finally a "Patron" in the race in the form of Froome...they mention that they haven't seen one since Hinot's days. Oh come on! Lance may have been stripped of his wins, but you can't rewrite history--he still rode in those races and was absolutely a leader in the peloton for many years.
 

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I thought that the grassy knoll issue was that in order to avoid crashing into the Beloki, Lance hit the grass and it wasn't that big of a deal...I am not sure I remember there being a lot of chatter about it at the time. I'll have to look it up.
From a fans´view today, looking at the video, you can just say it´s not a big problem that he rode across the grass, hopped off his bike and jumped back in. The problem comes when he goes back to and across the street and his rivals. But that´s not what the race judges were looking for, after leaving the road, ofc.
 

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You guys are totally right. I must have been thinking of a different "overland" trip. That was egregious. He should have been penalized.
 

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To be fair, I'm not that upset over either. In the Armstrong case, expecting him to stop on a dime or re-enter at the point in the road he exited was unrealistic. In Froome's case, the 3 km rule basically nullifies any actions thereafter, since he got Mollena's time anyway. In both cases, any penalty likely takes the yellow jersey off a Patron for events somewhat beyond their control (moreso Armstrong than Froome).

EDIT: the better way to put it is, since they're both fairly similar circumstances that are clear penalties by the letter of the law, to see the same application under the spirit of the law allows for consistency. Neither pulled a Rosie Ruiz, and in fact gained no advantage over their positions prior to the crashes. When in doubt, unless there was a clear decision to gain advantage, just let it go.
 

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Froome the winner for a very impressive 3rd time despite some wild adventures on previous stages inlcuding crashing into a camera, running the route for a while, and trying to make due on a crappy replacement bike! Bizarre Paris finish for sprinter Marcel Kittel with a bike malfunction replaced by his inept mechanics with a flat tire, whihc he threw into the traffic, then more problems on the replacement bike they gave him.
 

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Sagan's ability to do almost anything (except climb with the specialists) makes me eager to see him in action in the Olympics. He has chosen to enter the mountain-bike event, rather than the road-racing event. I hope NBC decides to show it.
 

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Can you explain Bauke's team status? Based on wikipedia, It looks like he raced in a few Grand Tours a few years ago, and then not much the past year or two. And now he's on Trek-Segafredo, although he's not listed on their Wikipedia roster. Has he been changing teams? Did Trek just pick him up for the TdF? What are his future team plans, and how do teams choose guys and pick guys like him to run for the GC title?
Bauke was home between riding criteriums and winning san sebastian, great win and showing great form before Rio.

I asked about the process of getting picked by Trek, he said the cycling world is very small and teams know a lot about the riders before they approach them for a contract. Trek wanted someone for the GC and Bauke was available and is a good fit with the team. Riders without a contract become free agents and can negociate a contract in august. Its a matter of timing if a rider is a free agent at the right time.

With Pontano and perhaps Contador added for next year looks like Trek are serious to challenge Sky for the top spot.

Bauke also had an offer from Sky but wanted to be the lead rider not a very well paid pawn for Froome.