The Durant Sweepstakes

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nighthob

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That still leaves two really tough playoff rounds in which you're almost certainly facing both the Spurs and Warriors. And you have to exert yourself in the regular season to get home-court advantage against even one of those teams. Also, teams like Portland are potential first round opponents if you're the 4 seed.
Quite the opposite, the East regular season was tougher last year with all the above average/good teams fighting for playoff berths. The four team West does mean two tough playoff rounds, but a much easier regular season and an easy opening round.

EDIT: I just noticed that I forgot to add that the fifth place WC team, that the four seed needed to dread, would have been fighting for the 8th seed in the East.
 
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If Durant goes to Boston, then the regular season would become far easier for one of the Eastern conf teams.
 

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Quite the opposite, the East regular season was tougher last year with all the above average/good teams fighting for playoff berths. The four team West does mean two tough playoff rounds, but a much easier regular season and an easy opening round.

EDIT: I just noticed that I forgot to add that the fifth place WC team, that the four seed needed to dread, would have been fighting for the 8th seed in the East.
I don't think this means the 5th place WC team wasn't as good as the 5th place EC team. The West had to play a lot more games against Golden State and San Antonio who averaged 70 wins between them. Meanwhile the only elite team in the east coasted through the regular season saving it's energy for the playoffs.
 

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West will be tougher next few years with Jazz and T Wolves going to be unreal. Or expected to be anyway.
 

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The East did close the gap last season, nearly splitting the season series against the West (it was +14 for the WC after +76, +118, and +74 the previous three seasons). But it came as a bit of a surprise and doesn't take a lot to shift the balance. Houston's locker room collapse, the Pels' injury-aided nightmare season. As Creed mentions above Utah is already a p.i.t.a. to play against and Minnesota has an amazing foundation.

Say Derozan leaves Toronto for a WC team and they take a big step back, Chicago continues to slide, and the Hawks or Miami miss out on their FA targets. Too hard to predict these things for it to really factor into KD's decision making, I would think.
 

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West will be tougher next few years with Jazz and T Wolves going to be unreal. Or expected to be anyway.
Phoenix could be really good too if Bender and Chriss develop quickly.

Brian Robb says not to expect AJ or JJ to be waived by the guarantee deadline. Says both can easily be traded if they need their cap holds.
That makes sense. Thanks.
 

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I don't think this means the 5th place WC team wasn't as good as the 5th place EC team. The West had to play a lot more games against Golden State and San Antonio who averaged 70 wins between them. Meanwhile the only elite team in the east coasted through the regular season saving it's energy for the playoffs.
But that was compensated for by getting to play a lot more games against bottom ten teams. That's the reality. There are a lot more ham & eggers in the West these days. Hell, the West's eighth seed was actively trying to miss the playoffs and couldn't manage it.
 

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Quite the opposite, the East regular season was tougher last year with all the above average/good teams fighting for playoff berths. The four team West does mean two tough playoff rounds, but a much easier regular season and an easy opening round.

EDIT: I just noticed that I forgot to add that the fifth place WC team, that the four seed needed to dread, would have been fighting for the 8th seed in the East.
Um, no. Have a closer read of what I wrote: in the West, you have a tougher regular season path towards obtaining home-court advantage against the top-tier teams (Spurs, Warriors, arguably Clippers). In the East, there's no need to worry about home-court advantage until the ECF when you go up against Lebron.
 

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Perspective Alert: Take out the Nets, Sixers, and Kings........Kevin Durant will be meeting with more than 25% of the leagues teams this weekend.

Miami just became a very interesting destination and you can never underestimate Pat Riley's selling ability.
 

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Perspective Alert: Take out the Nets, Sixers, and Kings........Kevin Durant will be meeting with more than 25% of the leagues teams this weekend.

Miami just became a very interesting destination and you can never underestimate Pat Riley's selling ability.
They don't really have the cash now though--they'd have to make some big moves.
 

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Perspective Alert: Take out the Nets, Sixers, and Kings........Kevin Durant will be meeting with more than 25% of the leagues teams this weekend.

Miami just became a very interesting destination and you can never underestimate Pat Riley's selling ability.
If you don't count his current team and only remove the three teams mentioned, he is actually only meeting with 18.5% of the league's teams.

I know we should kept it in perspective but with a slight change in the view, we are part of a more selective group.
 

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If you don't count his current team and only remove the three teams mentioned, he is actually only meeting with 18.5% of the league's teams.

I know we should kept it in perspective but with a slight change in the view, we are part of a more selective group.
Why woudn't you count the team who is the heavy favorite to sign him? He met with them for 5 hours hammering out details yesterday. It will take a lot of work for someone to get him out of that situation for one year with the cap increasing again next season.
 

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Kevin Durant meeting with Warriors is still going on, per source. Been talking with each other for two-plus hours.
 

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Why woudn't you count the team who is the heavy favorite to sign him? He met with them for 5 hours hammering out details yesterday. It will take a lot of work for someone to get him out of that situation for one year with the cap increasing again next season.
Okay. I see your point. Still checking in at much less than a quarter of the league (22%).

I know the Celtics are a long shot, but it should be pointed out they at least got to the table; something about 78% of the league couldn't do.
 

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Good point (and point taken). Not too sure what the banner would look like.

Just wanted to point out that the Celts have historically never had opportunities at the big ticket free agents.

The championship teams were built via drafts and trades. So the Celts should be at least somewhat pleased by the progress being shown.

And if they ever want to raise a banner again they will either need to sign a superstar FA or win the draft lottery in the next two years.
 

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Fair point. Maybe Durant will give Ainge a handy under the table just to make OKC jealous.
 

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Having a free agent use you as leverage is not an accomplishment.
Just to be clear, there is no leverage to be had here. OKC can/will not pay him more because he took a bunch of meetings that each "went well".

That's not how the NBA salary cap works.

Instead, these meetings suggest he is seriously considering moving on whether its this year or next. It also suggests that, at best Westbrook is uncertain about what to do next summer.

I know pundits are saying he is staying but I will take the other side. One of these suitors is going to pry him loose. Its probably not going to be the Celtics but its still good they have a shot.
 

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Just to be clear, there is no leverage to be had here. OKC can/will not pay him more because he took a bunch of meetings that each "went well".

That's not how the NBA salary cap works.

Instead, these meetings suggest he is seriously considering moving on whether its this year or next. It also suggests that, at best Westbrook is uncertain about what to do next summer.

I know pundits are saying he is staying but I will take the other side. One of these suitors is going to pry him loose. Its probably not going to be the Celtics but its still good they have a shot.
One could say it's leverage not for more money, but to force the Thunder to get better (Horford) or otherwise alter the roster to Durant's liking.
 

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Having a free agent use you as leverage is not an accomplishment.
What leverage? Every single team in the Durant sweepstakes is going to pay him every possible penny they're allowed to. This isn't Amir Johnson we're discussing, this is a future hall of famer in his prime. Five teams are offering him the same contract, and the sixth is offering him even more.
 

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One could say it's leverage not for more money, but to force the Thunder to get better (Horford) or otherwise alter the roster to Durant's liking.
I think they would do that regardless of whether Durant took meetings or not. The impediment for them is getting someone to take Kanter off their hands. Not that Doc and his dysfunctional bunch or Riley and his bag of rings are going to break bread with KD.
 

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Much less? 22% is exactly one team less than 25%.
Listen I get it.

There are 30 teams in the league. When you take out 3, only 27 remain. So yes if you look at KD talking to six teams you get the 22%, 5 new teams is the 18.5% and you are also correct that 7/27 is about 26%.

That pretty much covers all the percent being tossed out.

I only posted my initial comment because the Celts are one of few teams meeting with KD. The post I replied to made it sound like a large percent of the league had a shot.

I am also aware that when you deal with small sample sizes like 30 teams, adding or subtracting one can move the percent much more.
 

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One could say it's leverage not for more money, but to force the Thunder to get better (Horford) or otherwise alter the roster to Durant's liking.
Yeah, clearly the Thunder would tell their HoF forward in his prime "Take it or leave it, we're not adding an all star big man to help you win" if not for his meeting with the Celtics. :rolleyes:
 

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I think they would do that regardless of whether Durant took meetings or not. The impediment for them is getting someone to take Kanter off their hands. Not that Doc and his dysfunctional bunch or Riley and his bag of rings are going to break bread with KD.
Sure. But it's entirely believable that Durant's agent might say to him "look, I know you want to stay here, but take a few meetings first, just to let them know they can't take you for granted".
 

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Sure. But it's entirely believable that Durant's agent might say to him "look, I know you want to stay here, but take a few meetings first, just to let them know they can't take you for granted".
Perhaps, but the way they are going about it - making groups of people trek out to the Hamptons in the midst of the fourth of July weekend (this is a huge pain in the ass on a normal summer weekend - on the fourth its a gargantuan journey) - seems like more than just posturing.

I also strongly doubt that OKC takes Durant for granted but who knows...
 

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Something tells me that NBA executives have access to private airstrips on Long Island that spare them the schlep that the common folk have to endure.
 

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Listen I get it.

There are 30 teams in the league. When you take out 3, only 27 remain. So yes if you look at KD talking to six teams you get the 22%, 5 new teams is the 18.5% and you are also correct that 7/27 is about 26%.

That pretty much covers all the percent being tossed out.

I only posted my initial comment because the Celts are one of few teams meeting with KD. The post I replied to made it sound like a large percent of the league had a shot.

I am also aware that when you deal with small sample sizes like 30 teams, adding or subtracting one can move the percent much more.
If you take out all of the teams Durant isn't meeting with, than the Celtics are in the same boat as 100% of the league. So there's that, too.
 

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Something tells me that NBA executives have access to private airstrips on Long Island that spare them the schlep that the common folk have to endure.
Oh I have no doubt that they are all heading out by air (helicopter most likely). Thing is, so too are tons of other far, far wealthier folks. I mean, they may have to actually wait for the bigger fish to land first. The Hamptons are a place where super rich people feel inadequate. And they are a pain in the ass to get to regardless of who you are.
 

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Sure. But it's entirely believable that Durant's agent might say to him "look, I know you want to stay here, but take a few meetings first, just to let them know they can't take you for granted".
Yeah, clearly he's going through the process of meeting with these teams because he has a deep need for affirmation of his specialness. Look, he's meeting with these teams for the simple reason that he's considering ditching his present team. This isn't about psychological neediness or "leverage" over a bunch of teams all offering him the exact same deal.
 

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Listen I get it.

There are 30 teams in the league. When you take out 3, only 27 remain. So yes if you look at KD talking to six teams you get the 22%, 5 new teams is the 18.5% and you are also correct that 7/27 is about 26%.

That pretty much covers all the percent being tossed out.

I only posted my initial comment because the Celts are one of few teams meeting with KD. The post I replied to made it sound like a large percent of the league had a shot.

I am also aware that when you deal with small sample sizes like 30 teams, adding or subtracting one can move the percent much more.
 

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Oh I have no doubt that they are all heading out by air (helicopter most likely). Thing is, so too are tons of other far, far wealthier folks. I mean, they may have to actually wait for the bigger fish to land first. The Hamptons are a place where super rich people feel inadequate. And they are a pain in the ass to get to regardless of who you are.
Can we do this DiceK style and have a game thread monitoring the flight path?
 

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The broader context here is that there are a lot of posters that just can't let go of the woe is me, Boston will never get a free agent victimology and have gone to extraordinary depths in this thread to hold on to it.

The reality was that free agency didn't really arrive in the NBA until the 90s (there was a limited version of free agency before that, equivalent to the current RFA system for fourth year players) and by then the Celtics were owned by someone nearly as beloved as Donald Sterling. Those days are long in the past, as shown by the fact that Durant picked Boston as one of five teams to talk to about a future. Rather than celebrating that the Celtics are now being considered in the same light as the Warriors, Spurs, and Heat, they'd rather weep.
 

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The broader context here is that there are a lot of posters that just can't let go of the woe is me, Boston will never get a free agent victimology and have gone to extraordinary depths in this thread to hold on to it.

The reality was that free agency didn't really arrive in the NBA until the 90s (there was a limited version of free agency before that, equivalent to the current RFA system for fourth year players) and by then the Celtics were owned by someone nearly as beloved as Donald Sterling. Those days are long in the past, as shown by the fact that Durant picked Boston as one of five teams to talk to about a future. Rather than celebrating that the Celtics are now being considered in the same light as the Warriors, Spurs, and Heat, they'd rather weep.
Until they actually, you know, get a FA, I think there's something to be said about a predominantly white city with shitty weather and high taxes looking for nba players.
 

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Until they actually, you know, get a FA, I think there's something to be said about a predominantly white city with shitty weather and high taxes looking for nba players.
It's mostly dumb for a number of reasons, but the top 2 are:
1. The taxes actually aren't that high compared to other states (especially w/ jock taxes cutting out half the benefit of low tax states anyway)
2. The Celtics have rarely had both a good team and cap space, no city is more than a tiebreaker, guys go to places for wins and money.
 

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It's mostly dumb for a number of reasons, but the top 2 are:
1. The taxes actually aren't that high compared to other states (especially w/ jock taxes cutting out half the benefit of low tax states anyway)
2. The Celtics have rarely had both a good team and cap space, no city is more than a tiebreaker, guys go to places for wins and money.
MA taxes are low as compared to pretty much any state except the ones with no income tax. MA hasn't been a high tax state for something like twenty years.
 

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I'll wager that Boston's right down there with the LA Clippers given the owners of the respective teams at the dawn of the unrestricted free agency era.
 
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