The catch-all Seguin trade thread (all Seguin trade posts will be moved here)

Toe Nash

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Eh, didn't seem to bother the Kings from demoting Richards and terminating his deal over some bullshit.

Or the Leafs who sent down Komisarek after he was no longer any good (probably a good comparison here). Or the Rangers who sent down Redden. Or the Ducks who demoted Heatley. These guys were all good (or at least decent), they got bad, they were given plenty of chances and then demoted. It happens.

The Bruins have also traded and slandered two young stars so they can't exactly take the high road as a franchise if that even mattered. It's business.
 
lexrageorge

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Toe Nash said:
Eh, didn't seem to bother the Kings from demoting Richards and terminating his deal over some bullshit.

Or the Leafs who sent down Komisarek after he was no longer any good (probably a good comparison here). Or the Rangers who sent down Redden. Or the Ducks who demoted Heatley. These guys were all good (or at least decent), they got bad, they were given plenty of chances and then demoted. It happens.

The Bruins have also traded and slandered two young stars so they can't exactly take the high road as a franchise if that even mattered. It's business.
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They didn't slander anyone.

Kessel and Hamilton didn't want to stay. Seguin made his own bed and his reputation was already well known around the league.
 
j44thor

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They didn't slander anyone.

Kessel and Hamilton didn't want to stay. Seguin made his own bed and his reputation was already well known around the league.
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He has been nothing but headaches for Dallas hasn't he. Can we stop making excuses for this FO and all the shitty moves they make.
You know who also has a bad reputation, Patrick Fucking Kane. I noticed that Chicago hasn't traded him for pennies on the dollar though.
 
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THEY DIDNT TRADE HIM FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.

Ok that's it. No more Seguin trade talk in any thread that isn't a Seguin trade thread. People can't talk rationally about it (on either side). Yes I know I'm guilty of bringing it up too.

If people want to continue to rehash it, start a new thread.
 
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THEY DIDNT TRADE HIM FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.

Ok that's it. No more Seguin trade talk in any thread that isn't a Seguin trade thread. People can't talk rationally about it (on either side). Yes I know I'm guilty of bringing it up too.

If people want to continue to rehash it, start a new thread.
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To be fair, now that Loui is gone, what do the Bruins have to show for that trade? Jimmy Hayes? And people forget that Peverley was also included in that trade.

It was an OK trade and certainly not a win for the Bruins. I think it's fair for folks to be frustrated with it and I also think the conversations have been very rational for the most part over the years.
 
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My directive was to everyone...including myself.
 
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To be fair, now that Loui is gone, what do the Bruins have to show for that trade? Jimmy Hayes? And people forget that Peverley was also included in that trade.

It was an OK trade and certainly not a win for the Bruins. I think it's fair for folks to be frustrated with it and I also think the conversations have been very rational for the most part over the years.
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You don't follow instructions well. Start a new thread if you want to talk about the trade.
 
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Why the fuck do people still want to talk about this? It's old news and isn't that complicated. And I don't think anyone comes off looking great from the whole situation.

Seguin was a supremely talented but naive teenager who wasn't prepared to handle the free time and money that came with being a pro, to say nothing of the professionalism that was required. The Bruins were a hit or miss side for him to join, with uber serious team leaders and a coach that demanded his players be professional and responsible. Either Seguin was going to buckle down and join the crew or he was going to stand out like a sore thumb. When his inability to settle in began to affect his performance on the ice and his standing in the locker room. Because of this the Bruins front office decided to move him (rightly or wrongly). You were never going to get true value for a player of his age and talent, especially when people knew you wanted him gone. They got ~75 cents on the dollar, and watched a change of scenery and less responsibility on the ice free up Seguin to do what he does best- free wheel his way into boatloads of points.


If they really wanted to slander him, there was quite a bit they could have said.
 
Toe Nash

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Here's my take:

I like Kessel a lot as a player, but if they had determined they weren't going to re-sign him, then they got a really solid return for him. By a stroke of luck, the return turned out to be better than expected because the Leafs (who were otherwise an average team) couldn't find a decent goalie. With even more luck, they got the #2 pick in a draft with two great talents. And then the next year Dougie fell to them. So you're set up with potentially a new guy to build around which usually doesn't happen to teams that make the playoffs since they never draft that high.

Seguin signed a deal that bought out a bunch of his UFA years at what was likely to be a bargain rate. There were growing pains with him but his promise was obvious, and his second season should have been enough to convince the team to work around whatever faults he may have and put him in the best position to succeed. There are only 120 player-seasons with at least 0.83 PPG and 50 games played, and there are very few players who were flukes on the list (and that season was more impressive adjusted for era): play-index link

I don't know much about hockey-ref's point shares but I assume they adjust for era and Seguin's second season is 17th-best on that above list, better than Malkin and Crosby's age 20 seasons. People who say "he wouldn't have turned into this player on the Bruins" make no sense since he ALREADY had an exceptional year under his belt.

Anyway I realize now that most of the arguments are summed up here. I'll just add that the deal looks even worse now since Seguin is still signed for 3 years more at a bargain rate and the Bruins are facing the prospect of losing Loui for nothing and only making the playoffs once with him:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/tyler-seguin-revisited-v5.7382/
 
Ale Xander

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Fixated on "getting bigger down the middle". No one in their right mind would basically trade 32 yo Backes for Eriksson, but that's basically what they did.
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Just think of it as Seguin for Backes
10 more years of experience.

Serenity now
 
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