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Just to catch up, the Sox signed 6th round pick Steve Nogosek for $250K, a bit below the $281,100 slot. They have also signed 10th rounder Santiago Espinal, but the numbers aren't released.

So far, they have signed 4 of their top 10.

2nd: Chatham: got 1,100,000, slot 1,232,800. "savings" 132,800
6th: Nogosek: got 250,000, slot 281,100. "savings" 31,100
7th: Scott: got 10,000, slot 210,700, "saving" 200,700
9th: McClean: got 10,000, slot 168,400, "savings" 158,400

Total "savings" so far 523K

Unsigned:
1st: Groome, slot 3,192,800

We have a whole thread for Groome, but obviously he's the big question mark. Reports that he wants $4 MM minimum, he has the leverage of going to JuCo and re-entering the draft next year.

3rd: Anderson, slot 697,300
4th: Dalbec, slot 501,300

Both college juniors. Both participating in the CWS so I wouldn't expect them to sign until after they are eliminated and probably not before the entire tournament is over. I would expect Anderson to come in under slot, but of course he may also decide he wants to start for a year now that the Gators rotation is clearing up a bit with the draft. I do wonder if Dalbec will take a chance and give up his leverage in the hopes of having a better senior season. He was an anticipated top ten pick this year, but slumped badly. What that means for what it takes to sign him is anyone's guess. Dalbec can also pitch. I expect him to be right around slot.

5th: Mike Shawaryn, slot 375,500.

Shawaryn fell due to mid season struggles. If it was possible to draft college sophomores, both he and Dalbec would have probably been 2nd or 3rd round picks last year. What this means for how much it takes to sign him I don't know, but I suspect he will come in a bit over slot, like the $400-$450 range.

8th: Alan Marrero, slot 180,300.

Maybe the Sox developing Christian Vazquez will get him to sign rather than go to school. I expect the Sox will want to stay well below slot here, so Marrero's choice is all about where he thinks he'll develop.

10th: Santiago Espinal, slot 157,200.

Espinal is a JuCo guy. He has signed, I bet for something close to the slot number. It hasn't been announced, but there is a pic circulating of him at his locker, presumably in Ft. Myers (he's injured)
 
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That is a crusade Law is on, unfortunately that is typical in college programs and Law tries to publicize it when he can.
 
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He has been awesome about twitter on those things. He will name the school and the coach if he has the name and put it out into the world. The worst one I've seen recently was a high school coach in Arizona let junior throw 157 pitches on his second outing of the week. Hopefully they didn't break Dalbec because unless he learns some contact skills, his ability to pitch might save his value.
 
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I didn't mean it in a negative way(though obviously there are negative connotations to the word), I just thought that was the correct term for what he was doing.
I'm not a huge Law fan but yes I think on this subject he is right on.
 
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He has been awesome about twitter on those things. He will name the school and the coach if he has the name and put it out into the world. The worst one I've seen recently was a high school coach in Arizona let junior throw 157 pitches on his second outing of the week. Hopefully they didn't break Dalbec because unless he learns some contact skills, his ability to pitch might save his value.
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I'd also have to look for it but he also kinda hinted that the coaching staff didn't really care about abusing him because they knew any injuries that happened because of it wouldn't be their problem. Kudos to Law on this, I hope it causes a backlash against these coaches! *He also at times gives the Twitter handle of the coach and/or school responsible for the abuse*
 
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smastroyin said:
Just to catch up, the Sox signed 6th round pick Steve Nogosek for $250K, a bit below the $281,100 slot. They have also signed 10th rounder Santiago Espinal, but the numbers aren't released.

So far, they have signed 7 of their top 10.

2nd: Chatham: got 1,100,000, slot 1,232,800. "savings" 132,800
3rd: Anderson: got 700,000, slot 697,300, "cost" 2,700
6th: Nogosek: got 250,000, slot 281,100. "savings" 31,100
7th: Scott: got 10,000, slot 210,700, "savings" 200,700
8th: Marrero: got 160,000, slot 180,300, "savings" 20,300
9th: McClean: got 10,000, slot 168,400, "savings" 158,400
10th: Espinal: reportedly signed but injured, bonus never announced, slot $157,200
12th: Matthew Gorst, got 115,000, "slot" 100,000, "cost" 15,000*

Total "savings" so far 555.6K

* - players drafted after the 10th round are all treated are not part of the slot system, but any bonus they receive over $100K counts against the pool. So it can only work against you. i.e. signing Gorst for 100K is the same as signing him for $10K.

Unsigned:
1st: Groome, slot 3,192,800

We have a whole thread for Groome, but obviously he's the big question mark. Reports that he wants $4 MM minimum, he has the leverage of going to JuCo and re-entering the draft next year.

3rd: Anderson, slot 697,300
4th: Dalbec, slot 501,300

Both college juniors. Both participating in the CWS so I wouldn't expect them to sign until after they are eliminated and probably not before the entire tournament is over. I would expect Anderson to come in under slot, but of course he may also decide he wants to start for a year now that the Gators rotation is clearing up a bit with the draft. I do wonder if Dalbec will take a chance and give up his leverage in the hopes of having a better senior season. He was an anticipated top ten pick this year, but slumped badly. What that means for what it takes to sign him is anyone's guess. Dalbec can also pitch. I expect him to be right around slot.

5th: Mike Shawaryn, slot 375,500.

Shawaryn fell due to mid season struggles. If it was possible to draft college sophomores, both he and Dalbec would have probably been 2nd or 3rd round picks last year. What this means for how much it takes to sign him I don't know, but I suspect he will come in a bit over slot, like the $400-$450 range.

10th: Santiago Espinal, slot 157,200.

Espinal is a JuCo guy. He has signed, I bet for something close to the slot number. It hasn't been announced, but there is a pic circulating of him at his locker, presumably in Ft. Myers (he's injured)
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I went ahead and updated this. Updates in BOLD
 
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Anderson signs for slot, essentially. A lot of people considered him a bit of a reach. I guess on the upside the Sox made the picks they made without regard to trying to make it a Groome only draft. On the downside I think they reached for a couple of guys (Anderson and Chatham) and where I expected some savings there.

Also seeing significant (whatever that means) speculation of Shawaryn going for $600K or so. That seems high to me, but he does have the leverage of going back to school. Part of me wonders if going over slot here is an expression of pessimism regarding Groome. I'll wait until it's oficial to say anything. I've also updated the above post.
 
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7/9 update. Changes: Espinal bonus announced, $50K, Quintana was at last night's game, probably for physical, Groome still hasn't had a physical. 6 days left.

So far, they have signed 7 of their top 10.

2nd: Chatham: got 1,100,000, slot 1,232,800. "savings" 132,800
3rd: Anderson: got 700,000, slot 697,300, "cost" 2,700
6th: Nogosek: got 250,000, slot 281,100. "savings" 31,100
7th: Scott: got 10,000, slot 210,700, "savings" 200,700
8th: Marrero: got 160,000, slot 180,300, "savings" 20,300
9th: McClean: got 10,000, slot 168,400, "savings" 158,400
10th: Espinal: got 50,000, slot $157,200. "savings $107,200
12th: Matthew Gorst, got 115,000, "slot" 100,000, "cost" 15,000*

Total "savings" so far 632.8K

Assuming the Sox are willing to pay the 75% tax to go up to 5% overage, the available money works out as so:
Bonus pool: $6.997,400
Bonus pool plus 5%: $7,347,720
Paid so far: $2,265,000
Remaining: $5,082,720

But, if they don't sign someone, they lose that slot value. The only way to increase the available remaining pool is to sign someone for under slot, which is looking less likely for Dalbec and Shawaryn.

Slot committed to everyone but Groome: 876,800
Remaining to sign Groome and any other over slot: $4,205,900

Unsigned:
1st: Groome, slot 3,192,800
4th: Dalbec, slot 501,300
5th: Mike Shawaryn, slot 375,500.
 
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Seeing reports that Shawaryn signed, no word on the bonus yet.
 
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Okay, so I had it backwards. They weren't hoping to free up money from these two to pad their offer to Groome, they were trying to free up money from Groome to offer to these guys. Color me impressed.
 
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So, have Dalbec and Quintana also signed? In the Groome thread, a poster said that Dalbec has signed, but I couldn't find confirmation via the google.

(Also - kudos to whoever threw together my avatar! Summer, was that you?)
 
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Sox can offer Quintana $215K. Word was he wanted minimum $300K.

Seems a colossal fuck up happened where they had all night after the second night of the draft to nail down money on an 11th rounder and don't sign him.
 
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JBJ_HOF said:
Sox can offer Quintana $215K. Word was he wanted minimum $300K.

Seems a colossal fuck up happened where they had all night after the second night of the draft to nail down money on an 11th rounder and don't sign him.
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"Colossal fuck up" is a rather dramatic overstatement of reality.
 
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JBJ_HOF said:
Sox can offer Quintana $215K. Word was he wanted minimum $300K.

Seems a colossal fuck up happened where they had all night after the second night of the draft to nail down money on an 11th rounder and don't sign him.
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But it is okay as they paid double the slot for the 5th round pitcher coming off a down year. Kidding slightly.
 
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So the Sox signed 4 guys from BA's top 125 prospects and people are upset? Tough crowd.
 
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Ah, yeah. What they paid for Anderson, Dalbec, Shawaryn, Nogosek and Marrero are all extremely questionable. Getting Groome makes this draft great. 25/50/100 grand here and there with the questionable guys could have made this draft out of this world.
 
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TimScribble said:
So the Sox signed 4 guys from BA's top 125 prospects and people are upset? Tough crowd.
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That would be below average in a random distribution. Barely, but still below. It is underwhelming.

edit: Not saying the draft was underwhelming, but ending up with 4 of the top 125 isn't some type of feat.
 
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JBJ_HOF said:
Ah, yeah. What they paid for Anderson, Dalbec, Shawaryn, Nogosek and Marrero are all extremely questionable. Getting Groome makes this draft great. 25/50/100 grand here and there with the questionable guys could have made this draft out of this world.
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Only real complaint I have is Chatham. He went way higher than expected and you'd think they could have saved more there. But we also know very little about the details of any of this.
 
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That would be below average in a random distribution. Barely, but still below. It is underwhelming.

edit: Not saying the draft was underwhelming, but ending up with 4 of the top 125 isn't some type of feat.
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How many of the top 125 sign in a typical year, though? I'm not sure it's as simple as 125/4 > number of MLB teams.
 
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No worries. I was curious but didn't expect it to be that high. Probably higher than you thought but certainly not 98%. I think the change in slotting has made a big difference to draft strategy and signing. I'd be interested to see a longer term study that goes back before the CBA change but it's late. I'll google tomorrow. There certainly is less leverage and games to be played by the kids now that the teams have strict budgets.
 
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Looks like the 224k they could have thrown at him was far enough away that they threw the $ at some of the last minute over slot guys (Shawaryn especialy). Guess we'll see. I'm not a prospect hound like some here but this seems like a pretty good haul.

http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/07/reports-red-sox-agree-with-first-round.html

Below is a list of official and reported (denoted by italics) 2016 draft signings so far, listed by round:

1 - Jason Groome, LHP - $3,650,000 (slot: $3,192,800)
2 - CJ Chatham, SS - $1,100,000 (slot: $1,232,800)
3 - Shaun Anderson, RHP - $700,000 (slot: $697,300)
4 - Bobby Dalbec, 3B - $650,000 (slot: $501,300)
5 - Mike Shawaryn, RHP - $637,500 (slot: $375,500)
6 - Steve Nogosek, RHP - $250,000 (slot: $281,100)
7 - Ryan Scott, OF - $10,000 (slot: $210,700)
8 - Alan Marrero C - $160,000 (slot: $180,300)
9 - Matt McLean, OF - $10,000 (slot: $168,400)
10 - Santiago Espinal, SS - $50,000 (slot: $157,200)
12 - Matthew Gorst RHP - $115,000 ($15,000 towards cap)
14 - Robby Sexton, LHP
16 - Alberto Schmidt, C
17 - Nick Sciortino, C
19 - Kyle Hart, LHP
20 - Nick Lovullo, SS
22 - Granger Studdard, OF
23 - Juan Carlos Abreu, OF
24 - Hunter Smith, RHP
26 - Jared Oliver, RHP
33 - Chad Hardy, OF

Total cap (cap + 5%): $6,997,400 ($7,347,270)
Cap spent so far (amount +/- cap +5% for picks signed): $7,232,500 ($114,770)[quote/]
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98.1% of draft picks in the first ten rounds signed last year. Only 42 of the top 20 rounds went unsigned. This was almost exactly the same numbers as the year before.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/17/8996381/unsigned-mlb-draft-picks-first-20-rounds-2015

So, a lot. Maybe the number is closer to 124/4.
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I think there's a big difference between the top 125 picks and the top 125 prospects. Yes, close to all of the first 125 picks sign. But there are always a large handful of "top 125" prospects that get drafted in the later rounds due to signability (exact case of Quintana this year). Sometimes you can buy those guys out of their commitment and get a steal in the later rounds, most times you cannot.
 
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Disappointed on Quintana, would have preferred him even to Dalbec but you sign who you can sign. I'm surprised actually that Dalbec required going so far over slot but I'm glad they were able to get him and Groome.

For their draft position, it's great to get an A prospect like Groome, the rest of the draft be damned. I guess there are a couple of interesting guys. Dalbec we'll see if he can do anything about his contact rate or if he becomes a bullpen arm. It is funny that I am somehow tuned to be more interested in Shawaryn than Anderson, they are probably roughly equivalent but I'm more interested in the guy who fell than the guy who essentially went exactly where he should have.
 
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I think there's a big difference between the top 125 picks and the top 125 prospects. Yes, close to all of the first 125 picks sign. But there are always a large handful of "top 125" prospects that get drafted in the later rounds due to signability (exact case of Quintana this year). Sometimes you can buy those guys out of their commitment and get a steal in the later rounds, most times you cannot.
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What is a large handful? 10-15? Then the number is still 110/4.
 
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If we're being pedantic, you have to account for supplemental picks and/or picks that are lost.

The first two rounds this year were 77 picks instead of 60.
 
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So the Sox signed 4 guys from BA's top 125 prospects and people are upset? Tough crowd.
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Um, shouldn't that be everyone's baseline expectation?

30 teams, 4 rounds = 120 slots.

I'm not upset about the draft, mind you.

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So just for giggles, here are the average pre-draft rankings (MLB/BA/PG) of the top 5 picks:
Groome- 1.7
Chatham- 75.3
Anderson-122.3
Dalbec- 106
Nogosek- 172

Obviously passing on 2nd round talent was a strategy to make sure that they could actually get their guy Groome once he fell to them. Solid strategy it would seem.

Quintana was 95.3
Jeff Belge was 110.3
 
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