Euro 16 gamethread
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Chris Waddle, Danny Mills and Mark Chapman in bits on 5 live.
Waddle takes issue with the fact that some England players wear head phones. They don't communicate. Waddle earning his corn. His voice is basically a soprano at this point.
Waddle takes issue with the fact that some England players wear head phones. They don't communicate. Waddle earning his corn. His voice is basically a soprano at this point.
Hell yeah. That's handsome fella, and the salmon shirt-chinos-and-sport-jacket gets my bits all nibbly.
I knew you owned that exact ensemble. Hell, I might have even bet you're wearing it right now were I the betting sort.
This has been a great last few days for Scotland...and we haven't even done fuck all.
Edit: for those who don't know Gareth Southgate, google Gareth Southgate missed penalty.
Edit: for those who don't know Gareth Southgate, google Gareth Southgate missed penalty.
Manager odds are up:
Next Permanent Manager
Gareth Southgate 4/1 Gary Neville 6/1 Alan Pardew 8/1
Brendan Rodgers 10/1 Sam Allardyce 12/1 Arsene Wenger 20/1
Garry Monk 25/1 Slaven Bilic 25/1 Harry Redknapp 26/1
Steve Bruce 28/1 Rafael Benitez 28/1 Jose Mourinho 33/1
Sean Dyche 33/1 Paul Clement 40/1 Ryan Giggs 40/1
Next Permanent Manager
Gareth Southgate 4/1 Gary Neville 6/1 Alan Pardew 8/1
Brendan Rodgers 10/1 Sam Allardyce 12/1 Arsene Wenger 20/1
Garry Monk 25/1 Slaven Bilic 25/1 Harry Redknapp 26/1
Steve Bruce 28/1 Rafael Benitez 28/1 Jose Mourinho 33/1
Sean Dyche 33/1 Paul Clement 40/1 Ryan Giggs 40/1
JayMags, get familiar with him. He's been a rising star since he managed Middlesborough while earning his badges.
Also, did those odds just come for, the list of recent managerial hires? Would Rodgers or Jose begin to forfeit their club gigs for this trainwreck?
Also, did those odds just come for, the list of recent managerial hires? Would Rodgers or Jose begin to forfeit their club gigs for this trainwreck?
The only thing maybe as good as England crashing out of a tournament is an English managerial search
No way. We all know she won't see eye-to-eye with a bunch of old English men.
Part of the problem in any managerial search is that great managers are more interested in being in charge at a club so your choices are mostly either old guys or failures. The third option is to take a chance on a young guy but tough for England because they need a "name" to placate the press.
Don't think it would take much to pry Rafa away from Newcastle .. If Rodgers hadn't signed with Celtic he might have made a good choice as well.
For the record I do not own a sports jacket/ blazer and its frequently a pain in the ass for stuffy lunches etc. My rule of thumb is if I'm the customer and I can't come in wearing what I wear to work you can fuck right off.
I have now progressed to jeans and trainers/ sneakers but still wear a shirt so I have some loud shirts. You better believe I have some pink monstrousities
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I'll always fondly remember him pushing Sturridge to train and suit up for a friendly while on a strained calf.
I thought that WAS "Gareth Southgate". It's not? There's an actual guy named Gareth Southgate?This is the man they need:
C'mon, stop fucking with me. That cannot be true.
At least England made the tournament this time!
Tactical naivety, misuse and poor deployment of players, and general not giving a shit-ness from the players aren't exactly new things for England. It's what I expect to see at this point because that's all I've seen. Perhaps some of you expect more logic and reason, but I think that the majority of you are in the same boat. It's funny cuz most of the board follows the EPL and may be even has an EPL team. Many of the players on the teams we follow are on this team (unless they play for West Ham). While I do, like many of you, find the exit quite humorous, it is reflective of how the seasons go in England.
I strongly dislike Spurs, but they do have a strong core of English talent. Kane was unbelievable this year and Alli had flashes of astonishing brilliance. No, this is not to re-hash Spurs' demise, finishing below Arsenal, but more to speak that they had nothing left. Those players were great this season, but ran out of steam towards the end. Even without Kane's deployment as a dead ball kick taker, he just wasn't the same influential player this tournament. England advanced, but there were plenty of cracks. Alli was just not good. I don't think the fullbacks were terrible nor do I think Hodgson had much of an option besides Dier. It's not about Spurs' players laying an egg so much as the EPL season has taken a toll on these guys. It's hard to play at such a high level for so long. And Spurs did play at a high level.
England suffered really because of circumstances. Wilshere is their best passing midfielder, but the years off have clearly made him rusty and he clearly didn't have the best of tournaments. Rooney, while may be one of England's best overall players still, is not the player he once was and is hard to fit into any system. Sturridge just came back from injury and Vardy, despite having a career year, probably doesn't fit that great into England...wait nevermind, let's not pretend like Roy had a great plan.
I don't think that the players should be condemned for a systematic issue (though I do think they could have given more of a damn/shown more urgency). England's inability to make things work has long been an issue even as the turnstile of managers has gone round and round. Fatigue following a long and competitive EPL season is natural. There were a lot of potentially influential players coming off injury. Losing to Iceland stinks, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. All of this said, I'm laughing like all of you.
I don't know what England should do going forward. The issues that I see with England are systematic. I feel that there's way too much emphasis on the physical and athletic part of the game and not enough on the technical. That includes the thinking side of things. There are too many guys that are there because they can tackle or because they can run. I think that England has a national identity crisis of what it wants to be. If they just want good tacklers who can run and run and run, then sure that's an identity, but you're not going to compete with the best in the world. Either lower your expectations or raise your standards for what the players should bring technically. Heck, If this is the kind of team you want, then this is the result you're going to get.
We joked about BREXIT earlier, but the fact that it happened puts the fractured nature of English society on full display. I'm not saying that athleticism and strength tackling aren't important, they definitely are, but I don't think that skill, passing, and the like should come at its expense. It's not mutually exclusive either. The challenge is to develop both. England needs to accept that.
I see the what the national identity should be as a USMNT problem too, btw.
Sorry for a serious post about this. Let's go back to laughing?
Tactical naivety, misuse and poor deployment of players, and general not giving a shit-ness from the players aren't exactly new things for England. It's what I expect to see at this point because that's all I've seen. Perhaps some of you expect more logic and reason, but I think that the majority of you are in the same boat. It's funny cuz most of the board follows the EPL and may be even has an EPL team. Many of the players on the teams we follow are on this team (unless they play for West Ham). While I do, like many of you, find the exit quite humorous, it is reflective of how the seasons go in England.
I strongly dislike Spurs, but they do have a strong core of English talent. Kane was unbelievable this year and Alli had flashes of astonishing brilliance. No, this is not to re-hash Spurs' demise, finishing below Arsenal, but more to speak that they had nothing left. Those players were great this season, but ran out of steam towards the end. Even without Kane's deployment as a dead ball kick taker, he just wasn't the same influential player this tournament. England advanced, but there were plenty of cracks. Alli was just not good. I don't think the fullbacks were terrible nor do I think Hodgson had much of an option besides Dier. It's not about Spurs' players laying an egg so much as the EPL season has taken a toll on these guys. It's hard to play at such a high level for so long. And Spurs did play at a high level.
England suffered really because of circumstances. Wilshere is their best passing midfielder, but the years off have clearly made him rusty and he clearly didn't have the best of tournaments. Rooney, while may be one of England's best overall players still, is not the player he once was and is hard to fit into any system. Sturridge just came back from injury and Vardy, despite having a career year, probably doesn't fit that great into England...wait nevermind, let's not pretend like Roy had a great plan.
I don't think that the players should be condemned for a systematic issue (though I do think they could have given more of a damn/shown more urgency). England's inability to make things work has long been an issue even as the turnstile of managers has gone round and round. Fatigue following a long and competitive EPL season is natural. There were a lot of potentially influential players coming off injury. Losing to Iceland stinks, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. All of this said, I'm laughing like all of you.
I don't know what England should do going forward. The issues that I see with England are systematic. I feel that there's way too much emphasis on the physical and athletic part of the game and not enough on the technical. That includes the thinking side of things. There are too many guys that are there because they can tackle or because they can run. I think that England has a national identity crisis of what it wants to be. If they just want good tacklers who can run and run and run, then sure that's an identity, but you're not going to compete with the best in the world. Either lower your expectations or raise your standards for what the players should bring technically. Heck, If this is the kind of team you want, then this is the result you're going to get.
We joked about BREXIT earlier, but the fact that it happened puts the fractured nature of English society on full display. I'm not saying that athleticism and strength tackling aren't important, they definitely are, but I don't think that skill, passing, and the like should come at its expense. It's not mutually exclusive either. The challenge is to develop both. England needs to accept that.
I see the what the national identity should be as a USMNT problem too, btw.
Sorry for a serious post about this. Let's go back to laughing?
Let's be serious, this England team had no chance to win the Euro's because they forgot the key rule of English soccer:
#NoHammersNoCup
I joke a lot, but it's bizaare to me that a team that finished 7th in part because of a spine of everpresent Englishmen in terrific form, most having the best seasons of their career, didn't have a single player in the squad. Beyond that, so many of the players called for fit exactly into the types of players the squad was missing:
Mark Noble- Tough, efficient passer, high work rate, helps organization, had one of the best seasons of any CM in the PL (oh and he's an excellent penalty taker), but passed over because he's not young or flashy. He didn't even get a run in the friendlies, passed over for Fabian Delph?
Andy Carroll- I could see leaving out Carrol if you want more versatile players, but if you're taking 5 strikers why the hell are you not taking one who is a legitimate strong target man. The idea of taking 5 forwards who all do roughly the same thing is baffling.
Michail Antonio- England desperately needed real wingers, Antonio is fast, strong, can defend (played some FB when needed) and he was absolutely on fire post-January, just racking up goals and assists. Another player very strong in the air on both ends, a weakness for England, and has the kind of positional versatility that is really useful in a tournament with card and injury possibilities.
#NoHammersNoCup
I joke a lot, but it's bizaare to me that a team that finished 7th in part because of a spine of everpresent Englishmen in terrific form, most having the best seasons of their career, didn't have a single player in the squad. Beyond that, so many of the players called for fit exactly into the types of players the squad was missing:
Mark Noble- Tough, efficient passer, high work rate, helps organization, had one of the best seasons of any CM in the PL (oh and he's an excellent penalty taker), but passed over because he's not young or flashy. He didn't even get a run in the friendlies, passed over for Fabian Delph?
Andy Carroll- I could see leaving out Carrol if you want more versatile players, but if you're taking 5 strikers why the hell are you not taking one who is a legitimate strong target man. The idea of taking 5 forwards who all do roughly the same thing is baffling.
Michail Antonio- England desperately needed real wingers, Antonio is fast, strong, can defend (played some FB when needed) and he was absolutely on fire post-January, just racking up goals and assists. Another player very strong in the air on both ends, a weakness for England, and has the kind of positional versatility that is really useful in a tournament with card and injury possibilities.
Let's be honest, it's England.. "Who'll jump up and put this shit cross on net?" is always the question, so Andy Carroll is a top 3 answer.
Based on what I watched, if you're gonna have Wayne "Let's Kick It Deep Here" Rooney on the roster, you kinda sorta hafta have Carroll or someone like him on the roster.
Though even the big fella wouldn't have been able to get on the end of most of Rooney's Greatest Hits in this tournament.
Maybe Shaquille O'Neal could have. Maybe.
Though even the big fella wouldn't have been able to get on the end of most of Rooney's Greatest Hits in this tournament.
Maybe Shaquille O'Neal could have. Maybe.
Prime Shaq, maybe. The Celtics-era Shaq who walked like he had ground glass in his sneakers, no.
Rooney looked like he realized the severity of the occasion in the second half and shit a brick.
Has anyone from England enchanted their reputation in this tournament? Walker maybe? Rashford was bright in the 20 minutes he played all tournament.
Has anyone from England enchanted their reputation in this tournament? Walker maybe? Rashford was bright in the 20 minutes he played all tournament.
Hey, I called for Carroll to be in the squad as "something different." I just feel like England doesn't set goals or have a manager who has the intellectual capabilities to say "hey we need to do this." Even if that involves huffing it into the box to a horse-man like Andy Carroll.
I thought Rashford looked really good, actually. Surprised he didn't get more run. Then again, the manager did everything wrong.
I feel like Switzerland/Poland has been the best match so far.
England have shown once again their struggles in major tournaments. The only game I think they played well in was the Wales game. Realistically this game should not have been close. Fair play to Iceland though. They played incredible. This is England's biggest defeat in their history. Iceland fans and players will remember this forever. They did amazing, a cinderella story. It has been hands down the best euros I have witnessed. This is full of upsets and more to come I'm sure.