2015-16 Bruins Post Mortem

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You think the B's could work out a Krug-for-Shattenkirk deal, assuming both sides can work out an extension?
 

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I am the leader of the anti Shattenkirk movement. I know the Bruins need RH defenseman, but man I think he is an overrated player and I don't like his potential price (cost and acquisition cost).

He is a good defenseman, who has benefited greatly from playing behind a great defenseman. I think if Boston pays the price to bring him here, and pays him a couple million more than Krug gets then there is going to be a ton of pressure on him, and I think the challenge is going to be beyond him.
 

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I don't think Krug for Shattenkirk works for STL. They have some serious expansion draft issues on the backend. You can protect 3 or 4 D. Pietrangelo is obvious. Then Jay Bo, Parayko, Edmundson, and their top prospect, Jordan Schmaltz, will need to either be exposed or protected. They have decisions to make back there so I don't think Krug makes much sense for them. Futures for Shattenkirk would be more what we're looking at.
 

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For St. Louis, I wouldn't be surprised to see their list be the following once they move Shattenkirk:

Tarasenko
Stastny (NTC)
Schwartz
Lehtera
Pietrangelo
Bouwmeester (NTC)
Gunnarsson
Edmundson
Allen

Exposed (40 in last 1/70 in last 2 rule): Reaves, Jaskin, Bortuzzo (if they re-sign him - if not, they could try to get Lindbohm 40 games this year)

If they retain one of Steen/Berglund, I could see them supplanting Lehtera on that list - but the Blues are one of the few teams where taking the 8 skaters route will probably make sense.

Fabbri, Parayko, and Schmaltz will complete their 2nd professional season at the conclusion of the upcoming season, so IIRC they won't need to be protected.
 

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Looks like you are right. The best I can find for the expansion draft is "players with two years of professional experience or less will be exempt from the process." Dabbed and Schmaltz will have just completed their second seasons so by that they should be exempt.

I think Parayko has to be protected though, he played 21 games in the AHL in 14/15 which I believe burned a year.
 

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Ah true, I missed Parayko's '14-'15 AHL experience. Safe to say he supplants Edmundson or Lehtera.

Also, motion to henceforth refer to him as Robby Dabbed
 

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I am the leader of the anti Shattenkirk movement. I know the Bruins need RH defenseman, but man I think he is an overrated player and I don't like his potential price (cost and acquisition cost).

He is a good defenseman, who has benefited greatly from playing behind a great defenseman. I think if Boston pays the price to bring him here, and pays him a couple million more than Krug gets then there is going to be a ton of pressure on him, and I think the challenge is going to be beyond him.
Agree that Shattenkirk benefits greatly from playing behind Pietrangelo who is a great defenseman. For me, he would be a significant upgrade for our D corps depending on the acquisition and contract cost. If we can package Spooner, Miller or McQuaid and a pick (not 1st 2 rounds), I would be happy with the upgrade.
 

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With Vatanen off the market, the Ducks must be scared off about Lindholm's price tag or they are looking to move Fowler and/or buyout Bieksa? They have Vatanen, Fowler, Bieksa, Despres, Stoner, Theodore and Manson all signed through at least next year, are losing Horcoff, Santorelli, Perron, Chris Stewart and McGinn to free agency and have to be negotiating with Anderson and Rakell for raises. If they signed Lindholm for the $6 mil plus he would like command, they will have less than $10 million to fill 6 forward spots and sign Anderson. Now don't get me wrong, they can't like the $7+ mil that Stoner and Bieksa cost but I cant see anyone taking that off their hands.

The problem is I bet the Oilers or Avalanche give them a ton more than the Bruins can offer if they do decide to move him.
 

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More on Shattenkirk. We've offered a 1st rounder.


The good news is that if the Oilers are the main competition, we have a better stock pile of picks. Chiarelli does have #4 too work with, but that's an awful lot to give up for a year of Shattenkirk. 14 and 29 are more reasonable starting points.
 

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I'm really hesitant to give up both first rounders, especially given the players that will be available at 14. Lucic got a prospect, a roster player (Jones) and a first. I'd guess the asking price would be 29+Spooner+ a Griffith/Czarnik type. That feels like a lot to give up for one year of a D-man, but I'd begrudgingly do it.
 

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Sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. 14 or 29, not both, would be OK starting points. At any rate, with the amount of teams looking for D, they are probably going to have to overpay to land him.

The only trade comp I could come up with off the top of my head is the Boychuk fiasco. Whole season left before UFA. Shattenkirk is a better player though.
 
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Sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. 14 or 29, not both, would be OK starting points. At any rate, with the amount of teams looking for D, they are probably going to have to overpay to land him.

The only trade comp I could come up with off the top of my head is the Boychuk fiasco. Whole season left before UFA. Shattenkirk is a better player though.
I agree. Add in Spooner + and hopefully Sweeney can close on a deal. They need Shattenkirk and will be competing with Chia for him.
 

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I agree. Add in Spooner + and hopefully Sweeney can close on a deal. They need Shattenkirk and will be competing with Chia for him.
We can keep pretending that Spooner has value but his game doesn't play in the West.

STL probably values Spooner like a 4th rounder. They are all about being big and strong at C.
 

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I've been bracing myself for a mind numbingly stupid trade since Monday. Someone lock Sea Bass in a closet until midnight please.
 

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I won't even entertain the idea of the Bruins getting Subban.

There's no, no, no, no way Montreal would ever trade him here. Just typing Bruins and Subban made it move for me, there's no way of it ever actually happening though.
 

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I won't even entertain the idea of the Bruins getting Subban.

There's no, no, no, no way Montreal would ever trade him here. Just typing Bruins and Subban made it move for me, there's no way of it ever actually happening though.
Krug, Pastrnak, both 1sts and our top prospect, say Senshyn.

That would hurt a lot. Interesting to think about, too much to get him at that salary.
 

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That's not too much. Krug's an RFA now and Pastrnak only has one year of his ELC. They're both going to get more expensive. The firsts aren't in the top ten.

This is all spitballing but you'd have to include more of a prospect haul and / or future picks I'd think. Honestly I don't think we have what it would take even if MTL is listening.
 

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I'd trade any combo of picks and players not named Bergeron for Subban.
Yep, this. And MTL can only have so many picks and prospects before it's diminishing returns for them. Subban is an absolute team-changing player; they could tear everything apart and rebuild around PK and be very solid very soon with the right moves.
 

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I won't even entertain the idea of the Bruins getting Subban.

There's no, no, no, no way Montreal would ever trade him here. Just typing Bruins and Subban made it move for me, there's no way of it ever actually happening though.
The reason PK is being named is because his blanket NMC kicks in Jul 1. This is literally the only chance the Habs have left to move him without his explicit consent, so, baseless speculators going to baselessly speculate.
 

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Since Sweeney is now far less likely to make a trade for one of the D mentioned, I'm wondering what the plan is here for next year. They have $20 million in cap space with this lineup:

Beleskey - Krejci - Pastrnak
Marchand - Bergeron - Hayes
Vatrano - Spooner - XXX
XXX- Acciari - XXX

Chara - Miller
Seidenberg - McQuaid
XXX- XXX

Rask
XXX

Krug will likely sign, it should be around Sami Vatanen's $4.8 mil cap hit. That leaves $15 mil to find a right wing, sign the RFA's and a backup goalie. Connolly probably makes his way into the top 9 again and has one last chance to prove hes an actual player. It seems like this team is poised to take a pretty significant step back unless some moves that surprise us all come down the pike. They have $42 committed in 2017-2018 which gives them some serious cap space to bring in some big names long term, especially given the prospect pool that is amassing in the organization. The lack of moves so far at the draft has been sobering, but out of that sobriety has me feeling pretty good about the position this team is in long term, but skeptical about the people making the decisions.
 

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I know he stepped back a bit last year, but I wonder if Zboril gets a tryout out of camp for 9 games.

If he can contribute, that would be a big help. Also - Griffith should be up on the big club to stay this year.
 

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I was totally shocked when they traded Lucic as I figured they'd sign him to an enormous deal, ensuring they'd lose Marchand. So, maybe I was right and just a year late.
 

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I was totally shocked when they traded Lucic as I figured they'd sign him to an enormous deal, ensuring they'd lose Marchand. So, maybe I was right and just a year late.
They must sign Marchand. I think the Lucic mention is just PR at this point for some of the fan base.
 

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So lucic 5/30 is most likely signing this off season no?
Is there a team that won't inquire about stamkos?
 

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So lucic 5/30 is most likely signing this off season no?
Is there a team that won't inquire about stamkos?

From earlier this week re: negotiations with the Kings

16. Milan Lucic‘s negotiations with the Los Angeles Kings got really ugly. At the end of their season it seemed close, then turned into a 50-car pileup. Among the problems: the Kings, as is their philosophy, were not willing to offer much in the way of no-trade protection


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-trading-p-k-subban-realistic-possibility/
 

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I've never understood the hand wringing over no-trade clauses.

I can't remember many, if any, reports over the Bruins getting stuck with a player who exercised their no-trade clause. With all the media hacks working in this town, you'd think there would be a lot written about it even if it were just a whiff of a rumor of it.

I'd much rather they give everyone a no-trade clause and keep the salaries down, even if the discount is fairly small.
 

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Wouldn't they refrain from shopping a player who has one if they have made it clear they want to be here?

It's sort of a chicken - egg thing (we'll never know if say Chris Kelly wasn't shopped because of the NTC or because they like him), but it has the potential to be limiting. The media chases their own tail all the time with regard to rumors so maybe there have been talks that were never leaked? Or Sweeney / Chia never even bothered calling Edmonton or some other team that might be a good trade partner because he knew that X player hated it there and he didn't want to risk pissing him off?

It's also not like they are getting these guys for great team-friendly deals and the NTC is a sweetener (except Bergeron, and you're nuts if you're trading him anyway). The guys with the worst deals on the team IMHO also have NMC / NTC in Seidenberg and Krejci. If the player likes it enough to want a NTC, get them to give back some of the cap hit.
 

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Wouldn't they refrain from shopping a player who has one if they have made it clear they want to be here?

It's sort of a chicken - egg thing (we'll never know if say Chris Kelly wasn't shopped because of the NTC or because they like him), but it has the potential to be limiting. The media chases their own tail all the time with regard to rumors so maybe there have been talks that were never leaked? Or Sweeney / Chia never even bothered calling Edmonton or some other team that might be a good trade partner because he knew that X player hated it there and he didn't want to risk pissing him off?

It's also not like they are getting these guys for great team-friendly deals and the NTC is a sweetener (except Bergeron, and you're nuts if you're trading him anyway). The guys with the worst deals on the team IMHO also have NMC / NTC in Seidenberg and Krejci. If the player likes it enough to want a NTC, get them to give back some of the cap hit.
Maybe, but I believe they'd leak it to a friendly source that they wanted to move a player and he refused. Haven't seen many of those stories.

I think it would be a really rare circumstance anyway if a team wanted to trade a guy, and he demanded to stay where he wasn't wanted. They might steer where they want to go, but I doubt it'd just be no way, you're stuck with me!

I think the guys with the worst deals on the team don't have no-trade clauses, McQuaid, Miller and Hayes. I don't think Krejcis deal is bad, and Seidenbergs only became bad because he got hurt. Don't think the NTC is the impediment from moving Seidenberg, the salary for his current skill level is.

I believe the NTC/give back some of the cap hit did, and does, happen. I don't think they negotiate deals, come to an agreement, then as the guy is walking out the door says hey how about a no-trade clause too? I don't know what the discount amount is, but there surely is one.
 
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