The Manziel Saga: Toasted

djbayko

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We're like lost brothers. I adapted Frost to a urinal post and now you merge him with a Cruise flick.

Bleedred - did you want Manziel or djbayko in the death pool? I'm thinking they both do too many drugs.
Hahaha...nope. Use is just ubiquitous here in LA. Hard to go out to a bar / club / concert without encountering it. I may have dabbled back in college, but I don't like getting the blues.
 
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That's a Nicholson flick just as much as Cruise, my friend.

At least that's what a $10 bag or Oregano tells me. I may be a moron but that isn't a crime, as far as I know.
 

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We're like lost brothers. I adapted Frost to a urinal post and now you merge him with a Cruise flick.

Bleedred - did you want Manziel or djbayko in the death pool? I'm thinking they both do too many drugs.
Manziel. djbayko doesn't qualify under the rules of being famous, unless he tries some sort of spectacular hijacking (plane, not thread) or other act of infamy.
 

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I understand this. However, the owners listed actual damages, but the pictures show nothing. It's okay if you don't find that suspicious in the least. I do.

Perhaps they were told by legal representation not to put everything out in public.

 

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I understand this. However, the owners listed actual damages, but the pictures show nothing. It's okay if you don't find that suspicious in the least. I do.
Yes I can't believe this is still going on either. What's the owner's rationale for lying? They think they're going to hoodwink the son of billionaires in court?

What exactly is suspicious? The photos in question don't lead me to believe, in any way, that the claims that didn't get photos in the article (photos which were surely sent to the publication and not chosen *by that publication's editor*) seem in lockstep with the treatment of the space that is shown.

Again, why do you expect that the publication is interested in making sure people know it's totally definitely true and not simply publishing the photos that will generate clicks (drugs!)? What would be the point for the owners to lie about this? I've read your posts on this, they just don't make any sense.
 

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Yes I can't believe this is still going on either. What's the owner's rationale for lying? They think they're going to hoodwink the son of billionaires in court?

What exactly is suspicious? The photos in question don't lead me to believe, in any way, that the claims that didn't get photos in the article (photos which were surely sent to the publication and not chosen *by that publication's editor*) seem in lockstep with the treatment of the space that is shown.

Again, why do you expect that the publication is interested in making sure people know it's totally definitely true and not simply publishing the photos that will generate clicks (drugs!)? What would be the point for the owners to lie about this? I've read your posts on this, they just don't make any sense.
So tired of this. I expressed an opinion about the pictures I saw. It's not a huge deal, but someone tried to twist it into me being a Manziel apologist, which extends far beyond the scope of what I actually said. It's okay that you don't agree...really. But I'm done.
 
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Kinda rich coming from you.

Someone sends pictures to newspaper, presumably for a small sum. Newspaper shows a couple pictures of no actual damage. Actual facts are minimal. Multiple opinions abound. Yawn. On both sides.

And the ballpit one is from Coachella. And posted on the first page.
 

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Manziel to be indicted.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-crime-manziel-indictments-idUSKCN0XN00A

Do they typically convene grand juries for what ends up being misdemeanor charges?
No. The way that probably went down is they presented evidence for a felony charge and the GJ called bullshit and agreed to a misdemeanor charge in its place. Very unlikely they presented it as a misdemeanor. Although the presence of a celebrity defendant can cause DA's to do some odd things.
 

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Gas pipe? Do they mean glass pipe?

This is starting to take on a Amy Winehouse feel for me. Everyone watching knows this doesn't end well, but nothing can be done. Perhaps the difference is that Johnny likes to party in public instead of by himself in a dark room, so he can't keep his nose clean (excuse the pun). He might end up incarcerated and get chance to turn things around.
 
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Gas pipe? Do they mean glass pipe?

This is starting to take on a Amy Winehouse feel for me. Everyone watching knows this doesn't end well, but nothing can be done. Perhaps the difference is that Johnny likes to party in public instead of by himself in a dark room, so he can't keep his nose clean (excuse the pun). He might end up incarcerated and get chance to turn things around.
Many addicts - including Winehouse - make no secret of their addiction, as they simply don't care whether they are in public or alone in a dark room. I have a hard time believing that Manziel is any different.

Indeed, the statements from his parents and the inadvertent texts from his attorney would seen to confirm that whatever we think we know about Manziel, his private behavior is even worse.

As an aside, Manziel's attorney has to be considered the worst attorney ever.
 
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Manziel's father says Johnny is "a druggie" and he "hopes he goes to jail" because that might be the only place he straightens himself out.
A fair amount of responsibility for Johnny's life as it is right now falls squarely on his parents. They are a wealthy family who spoiled and enabled him at every step of the way. Well documented. So for dad to make these comments now, well, start by looking in the mirror. Too late probably for them to "save" their son. Johnny will either sink or swim on his own now.
 

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As an aside, Manziel's attorney has to be considered the worst attorney ever.
When it's info related to a client or case, or even potentially related, always, fucking ALWAYS, pause before hitting the send or post button to make sure you're sending what you think you're putting out there and that it's going to the right people. I dunno who's repping Manziel, and how they got the gig, but ooooof!!! That's a big boo-boo
 

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Given he got fired by two different agents, including Rosenhaus, in the span of three months, if imagine he wasn't looking at top of the line representation jumping at the chance to work with him.
 

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Many addicts - including Winehouse - make no secret of their addiction, as they simply don't care whether they are in public or alone in a dark room. I have a hard time believing that Manziel is any different.

Indeed, the statements from his parents and the inadvertent texts from his attorney would seen to confirm that whatever we think we know about Manziel, his private behavior is even worse.

As an aside, Manziel's attorney has to be considered the worst attorney ever.
I can confirm this is true. Hinton was opposing counsel in a case of mine in the spring. He was the most incompetent and unprofessional attorney I have ever gone up against. I'm not surprised in the least that he mistakenly texted the AP.
 

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I can confirm this is true. Hinton was opposing counsel in a case of mine in the spring. He was the most incompetent and unprofessional attorney I have ever gone up against. I'm not surprised in the least that he mistakenly texted the AP.
Johnny Fuckup may be too radioactive for a reputable lawyer to handle now.

For one thing I wouldn't count on getting paid by this douche.
 

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It is a sad state to see this kid's metal illness played out publicly. So much stigma attached to addiction, etc, that he is made fun of and ridiculed while he self destructs in front of us on social media.
 

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What, exactly, is his mental illness? Affluenza?
Thanks for asking this. Addiction is NOT mental illness - they are two very different things.

Maybe, Manziel's addiction playing out so publicly will keep some kid somewhere from becoming an addict. Maybe the sad state of Johnny Manziel self destucting on social media and being ridiculed for throwing away his career and his life to alcohol and drugs does some good, for someone, somewhere.

However, I don't feel bad for Johnny Manziel - he has chosen to be an addict. He can choose, at any time, to get into recovery. At that point, I will root for him to get clean despite all of his terrible behavior up to this point. Addiction is terrible. I hope he someday sees the error of his ways and makes steps toward making amends and changing his behavior/life. He will have a ton of support if he ever does, regardless of what his (shithead) father says to reporters.

Until Manziel chooses to try and address his addiction, he deserves no sympathy from anyone and he should be "made fun of" for his terrible, awful behavior and choices.
 

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Thanks for asking this. Addiction is NOT mental illness - they are two very different things.

Maybe, Manziel's addiction playing out so publicly will keep some kid somewhere from becoming an addict. Maybe the sad state of Johnny Manziel self destucting on social media and being ridiculed for throwing away his career and his life to alcohol and drugs does some good, for someone, somewhere.

However, I don't feel bad for Johnny Manziel - he has chosen to be an addict. He can choose, at any time, to get into recovery. At that point, I will root for him to get clean despite all of his terrible behavior up to this point. Addiction is terrible. I hope he someday sees the error of his ways and makes steps toward making amends and changing his behavior/life. He will have a ton of support if he ever does, regardless of what his (shithead) father says to reporters.

Until Manziel chooses to try and address his addiction, he deserves no sympathy from anyone and he should be "made fun of" for his terrible, awful behavior and choices.
Perfectly said. Thanks.
 

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Is drug addiction a mental illness?
Yes, because addiction changes the brain in fundamental ways, disturbing a person's normal hierarchy of needs and desires and substituting new priorities connected with procuring and using the drug. The resulting compulsive behaviors that override the ability to control impulses despite the consequences are similar to hallmarks of other mental illnesses.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/comorbidity-addiction-other-mental-illnesses/drug-addiction-mental-illness
 

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Is drug addiction a mental illness?
Yes, because addiction changes the brain in fundamental ways, disturbing a person's normal hierarchy of needs and desires and substituting new priorities connected with procuring and using the drug. The resulting compulsive behaviors that override the ability to control impulses despite the consequences are similar to hallmarks of other mental illnesses.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/comorbidity-addiction-other-mental-illnesses/drug-addiction-mental-illness
You learn something new everyday. I did not know the government classified addiction as mental illness - I wonder how that happened? Seems like there's a backstory there. Like, in order to get funding for treatment programs or in order to get addiction taken seriously, it was classified a mental illness? I'll definitely look into it more. Thanks for the correction.

I have a sibling who is an addict. She has worked very hard to stay clean for more than a decade and is a dedicated evangelist for 12-step programs. My opinion is heavily influenced by listening to her, and other addicts, talk about how their choices are responsible for their addiction. Her sect/group is big on the personal responsibility angle - that they made the choice to use and that they are responsible for choosing to use.

That said, I stand by everything else in my post. Maybe Manziel's public struggles with addiction helps someone else get or stay clean. Until Manziel chooses to accept the help he is being offered, daily, I have no sympathy for him - mental illness or no mental illness.
 

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That said, I stand by everything else in my post. Maybe Manziel's public struggles with addiction helps someone else get or stay clean. Until Manziel chooses to accept the help he is being offered, daily, I have no sympathy for him - mental illness or no mental illness.
As someone who has not been very sympthatic towards Manziel (I thought he was an asshole long before his addictions surfaceed. He may in fact be both), I think there is an unfortunate flipside to the bolded. "If I admit to a problem I will be thought of as less than a human being, etc., etc." Like reggiecleveland said, the stigma often keeps people from getting hte help they need. I dont know if more people get inspired or scared away.

I'm not a doctor or an addict, but I think "addiction" is called "addiction" precisely because it is beyond (what we think of) the control of the addict.
 

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You learn something new everyday. I did not know the government classified addiction as mental illness - I wonder how that happened? Seems like there's a backstory there. Like, in order to get funding for treatment programs or in order to get addiction taken seriously, it was classified a mental illness? I'll definitely look into it more. Thanks for the correction.

I have a sibling who is an addict. She has worked very hard to stay clean for more than a decade and is a dedicated evangelist for 12-step programs. My opinion is heavily influenced by listening to her, and other addicts, talk about how their choices are responsible for their addiction. Her sect/group is big on the personal responsibility angle - that they made the choice to use and that they are responsible for choosing to use.

That said, I stand by everything else in my post. Maybe Manziel's public struggles with addiction helps someone else get or stay clean. Until Manziel chooses to accept the help he is being offered, daily, I have no sympathy for him - mental illness or no mental illness.
Addiction being a mental disease doesn't negate the usefulness of promoting personal responsibility in recovery, which could have many benefits including not placing partial blame on others, not perpetually feeling sorry for oneself, and probably many others.

The few people I've been close to who have suffered from addiction certainly seemed helpless to me. They knew they were hurting themselves and others but couldn't stop. Call it a mental illness. Call it whatever you want. I'm not sure about the biological mechanics of it all, but I personally don't believe it's correct to say their situation is a choice. I think it's a lot more complex than that.
 

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The choice for an addict is to have "one" or "none". Once you choose "one", you have lost the right to choose anything because one turns into one thousand. But for people who are clean, there is a choice. It's the first drink that gets you drunk.
 

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So he has planned to be sober on July 1. He didn't say anything about the rest of the days this year.
Ha! I noticed that too.

But seriously, he said he'd by sober by July 1. Just give him the rest of this week to get really fucked up one last time. That will be the last of it...promise.

If he's not checked into a facility, it's not happening.
 

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Ha! I noticed that too.

But seriously, he said he'd by sober by July 1. Just give him the rest of this week to get really fucked up one last time. That will be the last of it...promise.

If he's not checked into a facility, it's not happening.
It's possible that if he is tapering off to avoid withdrawal symptoms. Not likely, but possible.
 

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I'm no expert but doesn't it seem like a bad idea to give yourself one last big night? Like, isn't there a good chance he goes overboard and ODs tonight since he's getting sober tomorrow?

If not, why not at least give yourself the entire fourth weekend?
 

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I'm no expert but doesn't it seem like a bad idea to give yourself one last big night? Like, isn't there a good chance he goes overboard and ODs tonight since he's getting sober tomorrow?

If not, why not at least give yourself the entire fourth weekend?
He probably set a quit date or had his doctor set one. Whether he sticks to it is another matter.

-edit - Just saw he plans do it after a vacation to Cabo San Lucas. Yeah, he might not make it back.
 
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