NHL Draft Game Thread
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Eh, whatever. We mocked the Senyshyn pick last year and he may be their top prospect at the moment. Certainly strange to go this far off the board though.
6'2" 200
18 years old
20 goals, 20 assists for US National U18 team this year
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=272221
Quite a few kids with much more potential passed over. Huh.
Fair or not, until his picks make an impact in Boston he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on anything. Rest of the record so far is just too poor to have any faith.
Kirk Luedeke @kluedeke29 58s58 seconds ago
Trent Frederic- heavy on the puck. Engages physically. Not a high-end skill set; 2-way C
Trent Frederic- heavy on the puck. Engages physically. Not a high-end skill set; 2-way C
"Not a high-end skill set" Well that is certainly something.
Is he a Cards fan? Because that alone is worthy of my ire.
I'm really hoping we're all laughing in three years when this kid is a quality bottom 6 forward on an ELC.
Sounds like a merlot line guy picked in the 1st round. Mismanagement of assets yet again. Sweeney has already signed him to 4/$16.
Fuck this shit. Sweeney knows he had one more pick before the gap right? I mean if you don't want anyone in that range, trade back, pick up a fourth or something. If he wanted a 2 way center, why not pick one like Laberge, who someone has actually heard of and might have some offensive upside. I'm so annoyed by this pick.
Joe Haggerty @HackswithHaggs 1m1 minute ago
Don Sweeney said teams were asking for both 1st rounders and David Pastrnak in trade talks for a D. Said that was a non-starter
Don Sweeney said teams were asking for both 1st rounders and David Pastrnak in trade talks for a D. Said that was a non-starter
Of course they were. The Bruins are desperate for a defenseman and the whole league knows they're morons.
Exactly. It was an opening negotiating position and we clearly were never able to get past that. Chicago and Detroit's Management seem to be able to get deals done.
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The one about Trent Frederic is he will get top coaching at Wisconsin with the Granatos there. I really like this pick and thing his game will improve considerably in a few years in college.
And if they were really sold on him, they could've traded down, still drafted him at 45, and maybe gotten back some of those 2-3rd picks they pissed away in next year's draft. Horrible asset management again by this group.
This scouting group has reached every year and earned a bit of understanding on our part with the Heinen and Senyshyn pick but it is definitely upsetting in the moment. If they wanted a 2 way center, Laberge is universally accepted as a much better player with a similar game. Kirk's writeup offers a little hope from Quinn saying that he recruited him and thought he was a late bloomer who will be a better pro than an amateur, but I still don't feel great about it.
www.scoutingpost.com
That argument has been beaten to death, but the point is they went off the board and were pretty clearly right that Senyshyn was being criminally underrated. He was 7th in the OHL in goals despite being the only legit scoring threat on his team and was second only to Debrincat in goals for players in their second OHL season. Sure, Connor had a great year at Michigan in draft year plus 1, but its pretty clear that Senyshyn wasn't second round material like people thought. Jesse Gabrielle looks like a legit player in the fourth round last year, the three second rounders last year are exceptionally exciting and Heinen wasn't even listed on some scouting lists when he was picked and might be their top prospect now in his draft +2 year.
Point being, their scouting team under Gretzky deserves a little bit of rope. I'm still pissed off about the pick but they have a pretty good track record.
I read a few scouting reports that said his issue wasn't his hands, and that he stick handled very well, but that his speed was an issue. On phone so don't have links handy.
I'm not debating the players or criticizing the Zboril pick even though he's currently the worst of the group.
My point is drafting players from a traditional draft board would have yielded better results from last years first round, not worse. So, last years surprising picks aren't a clear win for the team. Will that be the case in 3 years? We'll see.
It's also interesting to me that they're being so conservative, it's possible or even likely that Sweeney/Neely won't be here when most of these picks contribute. Credit to them for that, it'd be easy to make a bad trade for Fowler or Shattenkirk and slip into the 7 or 8 seed.
My point is drafting players from a traditional draft board would have yielded better results from last years first round, not worse. So, last years surprising picks aren't a clear win for the team. Will that be the case in 3 years? We'll see.
It's also interesting to me that they're being so conservative, it's possible or even likely that Sweeney/Neely won't be here when most of these picks contribute. Credit to them for that, it'd be easy to make a bad trade for Fowler or Shattenkirk and slip into the 7 or 8 seed.
From last year's first round in draft year plus one, sure, but the larger sample says otherwise.
They take Lindgren with 49. Meh but hes one of the guys who was projected to be taken around this time.
edit - also to your point, Zboril was the scratch pick at 13 last year and he's been the worst out of the 6 guys they drafted.
They take Lindgren with 49. Meh but hes one of the guys who was projected to be taken around this time.
edit - also to your point, Zboril was the scratch pick at 13 last year and he's been the worst out of the 6 guys they drafted.
That being the case it appears lack of speed is the new market inefficiency according the Sweely.
Digging the Lindgren pick.
Great work by Chicago to get both Krys and DeBrincat with their 2nds.
Great work by Chicago to get both Krys and DeBrincat with their 2nds.
So with that isles pick the Boychuk trade is closed. Boychuck for Carlo and Lindgren. It kind of doesn't feel as bad as it used to.
And on the flipside the Connolly trade is also complete. Connolly for Katchouk and Matthew Spencer. Three players that I don't like.