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The three finalists for the Patriots Hall of Fame in 2016 are cornerback Raymond Clayborn, running back Kevin Faulk and linebacker Mike Vrabel, it was announced today. One winner will be selected via a fan vote on the team's website over the next month.
 

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Clayborn gets my vote but I don't think he has a chance against the rings
He was a terrific player, representative of awesome drafts the Pats put together in the 1970s. God, we had so much talent flowing through here. It's really too bad one of those teams could not get over the hump.
 

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He was a terrific player, representative of awesome drafts the Pats put together in the 1970s. God, we had so much talent flowing through here. It's really too bad one of those teams could not get over the hump.
If Fairbanks had stayed, they would have; the problem was his team was handed over to Ron Erhardt, which is like giving the keys to your Mercedes to a 12 year old and letting him take a shot at parking it for you.
 

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This article shines some light on the whole joke this thing is and suggests that chart may not be accurate at all. To summarize, the home team every Thursday will have the option of whether they want to wear the color rush uniforms or have the visiting team. Whichever team does not will wear white on white to avoid the colorblind issues from last season. Also, the chart appears inaccurate, because Art Rooney says their color choice is black, though that chart says yellow.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/16/nfl-apparently-has-a-plan-to-avoid-color-blind-confusion-for-color-rush-games/

“[W]e decided our color option was going to be black, and the default option is going to be white,” Rooney said. “When you’re the road team, the home team gets to decide what it’s wearing. If for some reason the Colts would decide to wear white, we would wear black. We just felt black was more of our predominant color [than gold].”

Reading between the lines, Rooney’s comments suggest that the league’s mandate regarding the Color Rush concept includes a requirement that one team will wear solid colors and the other will wear white on white. Which would definitely solve the colorblind problem for every potential combination of hues and shades.
 

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This article shines some light on the whole joke this thing is and suggests that chart may not be accurate at all. To summarize, the home team every Thursday will have the option of whether they want to wear the color rush uniforms or have the visiting team. Whichever team does not will wear white on white to avoid the colorblind issues from last season. Also, the chart appears inaccurate, because Art Rooney says their color choice is black, though that chart says yellow.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/16/nfl-apparently-has-a-plan-to-avoid-color-blind-confusion-for-color-rush-games/
It makes sense since one team has to be in a light color and one in a dark. For instance, if the Patriots pick the red uniform Houston would just wear it's all white's. I'm excited to see what the all red unis would look like for the Pats. I hope it approaches the old school Pat Patriot look and I wonder if the Pats would consider painting all their helmets white and put the Pat Patriot logo on there.
 

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Me, I'd rather see the Pats in all white.

I hate colored pants (aside from gold or tan or gray) generally, but particularly with a same-colored jersey.

I also have horrible taste. I mean, you should see the way I dress. It's appalling.

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@patscap with a tweet about the cap hits by position on the Patriots:
There are 46 cornerbacks whose cap hits are higher than the Patriots total cap allocation to the CB position
 

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Yeah, that is how I see him. Works hard on and off the field and then doesn't take himself seriously when not playing. Harmless fun and people generally respond well to someone who provides a few laughs.

He could be more like Gronk as a party guy or like the guy in jail. This is a bit refreshing, honestly.
 

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Julien Edelman is such a tool off the field. I love him on game day, but his social media stuff comes off like a youtube guy trying to make a living.
I'm pretty sure he's a tool on the field, to be fair. But he's our tool, and he's very, very precious.

Personally, I think his humor comes off a bit forced, not necessarily cocky. Brady, on the other hand, is smooth as silk. That people hate him and love Peyton makes me sad :(
 

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Apologies if this has been posted before, but NFL Films made a cool little video about Malcom Butler, James Develin, and Darius Fleming that is definitely worth watching.

 

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Apologies if this has been posted before, but NFL Films made a cool little video about Malcom Butler, James Develin, and Darius Fleming that is definitely worth watching.

I still laugh maniacally every time I hear the incredulous "Interception!" If it's not old after 100 times or so, it's never getting old
 

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Thanks for posting that video, I hadn't seen it before. Great stuff.

Edit: Now I've been sucked into these on youtube. Is there a group better at their job than NFL Films? As much as I hate the NFL's front office, NFL Films couldn't do anything much better. From the video, to the audio they get, how they put things together is unreal.
 
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The Malcolm Butler Effect & The Godfather:

“It doesn’t matter what round or what school you’re from, if you perform you will have a spot there,” added Harold Lewis, who represents both Bentley and LeBlanc. “You also know that you’re going to get top coaching in New England -- you’re getting coached by the godfather [in Patriots head coach Bill Belichick] -- and even if you get cut there’s a greater chance you might get picked up from there than some other teams.”
More awesomeness.

"When word of the player's visit to New England had become public, four teams called that day to express some level of interest," Reiss shared from his conversation with an agent. "Up to that point, interest in the player around the league had been dormant."

Four teams called about a player purely because the Patriots were interested. It shows the power of Belichick and the Patriots brand.

It also sheds some questionable light on the value of predraft contact reports. The majority of the time, this information surfaces when agents speak to members of the media. Perhaps the Patriots are actually interested in these players- and it could also very well be the result of an agent trying to drum up interest around the league.
 

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I've said this before but I'll say it again here, in light of soxfan121's post. Other fans and players and front office people may think BB is a lying, cheating scoundrel. But if BB was a free agent right now, every one of them would want him as their coach. He's that much better than anyone else. Other coaches may have a year or two or three of excellence before falling back to the pack. BB is outstanding every year, year in, year out.
 

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Edelman had another surgery on his left foot per Reiss. Expected to be ready for camp. Not sure how troubling this news is from a medical standpoint.
 

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Edelman had another surgery on his left foot per Reiss. Expected to be ready for camp. Not sure how troubling this news is from a medical standpoint.
That's troubling to me especially remembering how LaFell looked this year. Edelman relies on lateral quickness to succeed moreso in his position than LaFell did so the amount of cutting on that foot makes me nervous.
 

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Not sure where to put this ESPN story on Reche Caldwell. They certainly play up the Patriots angle.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15472532/how-reche-caldwell-googled-way-patriots-prison
That's a real eye-opener.

Not sure what you mean by playing up the Patriots angle, though. It's in the headline, and there are a couple of mentions, but it's not as though they tie the Patriots to his activities. It's more like he goes from the best team in the NFL to a cushy jail
 

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This was actually flattering, as if playing for the Patriots is the pinnacle of a football player's career. He went from the Patriots to prison, from heaven to hell.
 

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That was such a hilarious article -- you can feel his family, cops, feds, lawyers, judges, guards collectively facepalming at him throughout the entire piece.
 

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From Reiss' notes yesterday......this is why I'm worried he'll start the year on the PUP list. Dez Bryant had the same surgery Edelman just recently did on 1/6 and he's still not fully cleared.

4. There is a common link between Patriots receiver Julian Edelman and Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant this offseason, as both underwent second surgeries for similar foot injuries. Bryant had surgery Jan. 6 for the same reason Edelman recently did -- a bone graft to strengthen the area around the screw that was inserted as part of the first surgery. By doing so, both players hope it provides the foot more stability, which is particularly important for a receiver like Edelman, who has a knack for quickly changing direction by planting his foot in the ground and exploding. As for the timeline, Bryant is not yet fully cleared but is expected to do more at upcoming organized team activities. As noted last week, the Patriots will naturally take a patient approach with Edelman.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4792919/from-eastern-illinois-to-patriots-unlikely-story-playing-big-on-campus
 

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As much as it would suck to go into week 1 without Brady or Edelman, I really hope they take their time with his foot.

131 days since Bryant had his surgery and he's not fully cleared (but then again what does it mean to be cleared in May?). Week 1 is 118 days away.
 

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Cornerback Malcolm Butler was one of 17 players who didn't participate in Thursday's voluntary organized team activity. While the reason for his absence is not known, I wouldn't be surprised if it was related to his contract status. Butler has told teammates and friends he plans to push for an adjustment to his contract before the 2016 season, and staying off the field in voluntary workouts would be a decision that limits injury risk and also could be viewed as a statement to the organization that he's unhappy with the status quo and/or the movement/specifics of contract talks. Butler was present for the team's "Fantasy Camp" with high-paying sponsors Wednesday and wasplaying basketball at a local high school with teammates two weeks ago, so it's not as if he hasn't been around. But I think it's fair to say it's a situation to monitor in the weeks and months ahead. Butler's agent, Derek Simpson, didn't return multiple calls or emails seeking comment late last week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4793198/malcolm-butlers-contract-status-part-of-larger-issue-facing-the-patriots
 

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Question: Does the number of guys missing this last OTA seem high? It does to me in that the story on the Pats is usually that the attendance percentage is very high, I believe. That might be off. Please don't mistake this as alarmist. It's May. Some guys are hurt or recovering. I'm just trying to get a sense as to whether this year is unusual.
 

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He's got very little leverage so I hope this doesn't cause a distraction and gets worked out.

From a 5 minute search, it appears, as an undrafted restricted free agent, his tender would be around 1.8M for 2017 with no chance at losing him because that tender level comes with ROFR for the Pats.

(Tenders were 1.41M for 2014, 1.52M for 2016, 1.67M for 2016, so I'm guessing ~1.8M is the ballpark)

Which means the Pats have him for 2 years at 2.4M, so what do we think it would take to lock him up through 2018?
 

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I believe it's 4 million for a first round tender, which still leaves him with limited leverage. My hope is that Malcolm is willing to take below market, given that leverage, and work out a longterm. If Malcolm is expecting a big-money market deal, it's going to be a problem, at least for a while, though I suspect Butler won't be sitting out too long.
 

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Pretty sure they can tender him at the lowest level per this article. Posted the relevant part below. Those are the 2016 tender numbers.

Restricted free agents (RFAs)

These are players who have three "accrued seasons," no more, no less. They're becoming less common these days since many rookie contracts run for four years. Most players you see come up as restricted free agents are late-round picks, undrafted free agents and off-the-street players that have caught on with teams and are worth re-signing.

A team has two options with restricted free agents: 1) come to terms with a normal, long-term deal with the player, or 2) place a "tender" or "qualifying offer" on the player. (You'll hear both. They mean the same thing.) A tender is basically a pre-determined one-year contract that the team can offer a restricted free agent. For the 2016 offseason, there are three options (dollar amounts fromOverTheCap):

First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million

Those names are not just for show. As the name implies, other teams can sign away restricted free agents -- at a price. Another team can come in and offer a restricted free agent more money to sign elsewhere, but must also give away a draft pick -- namely the one mentioned in the type of tender. "Original round" refers to the round the restricted agent was initially drafted in. If he was not drafted, there is no draft compensation.

Right of refusal -- This means that a restricted free agent's team can match any offer made by another team trying to sign him away and retain the player at that price.
I guess the leverage Butler has is even though the Pats can offer him a low tender. Another team can offer him more than the tender offer and they have the right to match that offer.

So they could tender at 1.8 for 2017, someone could offer him $10m for 2017 and the Pats only recourse is to match at that price. I'm assuming the Pats could offer any of the three tenders listed, with the top two resulting in a draft pick if he goes elsewhere.
 
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