Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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I listened for a little while today. Felger in apoplectic rage over the (lack of) Bruins deadline moves was very entertaining
 

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Did Matt Light just call in on his own to fight with them? I missed the first part.

Light is just coming off as LaRoche's mouth piece. Is he friends with him?
 

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Did Matt Light just call in on his own to fight with them? I missed the first part.

Light is just coming off as LaRoche's mouth piece. Is he friends with him?
Light was on EEI yesterday afternoon with whatever crappy Sunday afternoon show it was. They are very close hunting buddies and he mentioned something about how some media types were jumping on Adam without all the facts. I had assumed it was from a different station, so he was probably waiting to pounce.
 

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They are very close hunting buddies and he mentioned something about how some media types were jumping on Adam without all the facts.
Did he hip anyone to the facts of this issue? Because it seems to me the facts are pretty cut-and-dry: LaRoche asked to bring his kid around, Sox said okay, LaRoche took advantage and the kid was there 24/7, the Sox told him to chill out and scale back, LaRoche ignored them, Sox said kid can't come any more, LaRoche retired, Chris Sale thinks someone died.

Not sure what more a hunting buddy could add.
 

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I keep waiting to hear that the kid is special needs or the mom has cancer or something. Otherwise, shouldn't he be in school or with friends? What 14 year old spends 6+ hours at his dad's office every day?
 

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I keep waiting to hear that the kid is special needs or the mom has cancer or something. Otherwise, shouldn't he be in school or with friends? What 14 year old spends 6+ hours at his dad's office every day?
Mass pushed Light on this and kept asking if there was an unknown reason or condition why he had to be around all the time. Light just kept yelling.
 

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Did he hip anyone to the facts of this issue? Because it seems to me the facts are pretty cut-and-dry: LaRoche asked to bring his kid around, Sox said okay, LaRoche took advantage and the kid was there 24/7, the Sox told him to chill out and scale back, LaRoche ignored them, Sox said kid can't come any more, LaRoche retired, Chris Sale thinks someone died.

Not sure what more a hunting buddy could add.
It basically just sounded like someone sticking up for their friend. He just talked about what a great, upstanding guy he was . . blah blah blah. And how irritating it was for the media to rush to judgement. That sort of stuff. He also thought LaRoche's written statement was a work of art . . so there's that too.
 

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Light saying that Drake is one of the most remarkable people in the world was downright laughable as well. He's a 14 year old kid following dad around and doesn't even go to school. I'm sure he's solving world problems when dads out taking BP.
 

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Did Matt Light just call in on his own to fight with them? I missed the first part.

Light is just coming off as LaRoche's mouth piece. Is he friends with him?
Sadly this seems to be Light's schtick now. Hears something he disagrees with passionately and calls F&M to fight and F&M ask him basic questions and he either ignores them or presses on and sounds foolish. I could be mistaken but he did the same at the start of Deflategate and the Union and Light couldn't answer basic questions because they went against his narrative.
 

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I keep waiting to hear that the kid is special needs or the mom has cancer or something. Otherwise, shouldn't he be in school or with friends? What 14 year old spends 6+ hours at his dad's office every day?
yeah i know right no way would i want to be in any clubhouse 6+ hours a day esp at 14 years old but if i was paul son i wouild be like yankees red sox or cubs or west coast
 

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I'm listening to the final hour of yesterday's show on their podcast. They have posted uncensored audio, so everything that was dumped is in the file. Pretty interesting to hear some of the comments that they get that can't make the air.
 

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Felger unloading immediately on decision to keep Claude: "This is a bad day. BAD day for the team!"
 
I'm watching Felger on DirecTV. His reaction isn't what I was expecting. He's more depressed and distraught than angry. He's only raised his voice a couple times. You can agree or disagree with his opinion, but he's showing that he's a genuine Bruins fan who is upset by "his team's" decision. It's funny to see him like this - it's actual emotion, not just contrarian shtick.

If this was the Red Sox he'd be yelling and chuckling and trolling.
 

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Truly awful. I gave up 10 minutes in when they started blasting Claude over Krug's only having 4 goals. The implication was Krug was being neutered.

In all situations, only 5 defenseman in the entire league attempted more shots on goal than Torey Krug. I'm sure it was Julien's fault Krug shooting percentage was 1.64%.
 
Truly awful. I gave up 10 minutes in when they started blasting Claude over Krug's only having 4 goals. The implication was Krug was being neutered.

In all situations, only 5 defenseman in the entire league attempted more shots on goal than Torey Krug. I'm sure it was Julien's fault Krug shooting percentage was 1.64%.
Really? Who do you think you are bringing your stupid little facts to the Felger and Mazz show??!!
 

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Truly awful. I gave up 10 minutes in when they started blasting Claude over Krug's only having 4 goals. The implication was Krug was being neutered.

In all situations, only 5 defenseman in the entire league attempted more shots on goal than Torey Krug. I'm sure it was Julien's fault Krug shooting percentage was 1.64%.
Not only that, but he had more shots and more ice time than ever. Dude just didn't capitalize or got worn down or had shitty luck.
 

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Felger was trolling. It was an act with respect to Julien. All last week he was saying that Julien didn't deserve all the blame, so this melodramatic response yesterday when it was announced Julien was retained ("it was the wrong decision") was done to rile up callers. No one challenged him on some of the other hysterical comments he made about the players. Mazz' evaluation was actually fairly even-handed, if not general.

On the other hand, Felger's irritation with some of Sweeney's comments was justifiable, imho. Sweeney didn't do himself any favors with some of the garbage he was trying to sell.
 
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I thought the interview was great and Cam came off as horrible.

If the leader of your organization can't even muster complete sentences on who's in charge you're in real trouble.

All he had to say was "As President of Hockey Operations, all decisions ultimately fall to me and I'm responsible for the organization. I empower members of the organization, such as Don Sweeney, to make decisions but whether I empower them to make the decision or if it falls to me, I'm ultimately responsible for this organization."

He actually answered the question of if it's different now than when PC was here and he said "well i don't want to say, go listen to my first press conference and see what was said" and felger followed up with "What part, I don't want to listen to the whole thing" and Cam responded "It wasn't something I said"

He ended the interview that he was angry about missing the playoffs and that the media's questions were about stirring up shit and fucking pissing him off. He dropped the f' word on air, which was censored.

He came off as angry, thin skinned and unwilling to answer very basic questions.

People rip on Bill Belichick all the time for his answers, but he'll at the end of the day that it was his decision and it was the best decision for the team. Cam came off terribly.
 

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I listened to the interview via podcast and think some of Felger's conclusions are correct: Neely is very sensitive to questions related to power, authority, and decision-making and has a difficult time embracing the fact that the buck stops with him, and that team performance has deteriorated ever since he was named President of Hockey Ops. Neely was promoted into his job before or during the Cup season, and we're seeing the downward trend from Cup winner to Cup finalist to out-of-the-playoffs since. He wants to blame Chiarelli for everything in the worst way, but it looks cheap and unaccountable when in fact he has been in a position of ultimate authority over all hockey operations since '11.

From the link above:
“Do I need to stand up and pound my chest, be like a lot of others that say ‘It’s all me!’ Do I need to wear a C on my suit jacket?” Neely said. “I’m all about ‘let’s have discussions, let’s be collaborative.’ But ultimately, ownership looks at me. … Everybody in the Bruins organization knows who’s in charge, and that’s what matters to me. If other people are unsure, then I can stand on a mountain and yell it, I guess. As long as the people that work for the team know who it is, that’s all that matters for me.”
Neely would love to tag the underachievement of the young players onto Chiarelli, but it's his own hand-picked GM (Sweeney) that has been in charge of player development for the past few years. He wants to blame Chiarelli for being in cap jail, but Neely had veto rights over all deals. He's been revealed as one of the major anti-Seguin voices and exposed as the guy who ultimately endorsed that trade. He applauded Sweeney for getting cap relief with the Smith/Hayes trade, but then it was pointed out that the salary difference between the two players wasn't actually that great, the deal made the team worse on the ice, and it's been compounded by giving Hayes a dubious extension. Trying to draft and develop around the core? No answer for the "then why give away a 2nd, two 3rds (Rinaldo, Liles), a 4 and a 5" and get two rentals and a useless player in return? Hamilton trade? "I don't want to talk about that anymore."

I thought Felger and Mazz were more than patient with him, and provided him with many opportunities to explain the strategy or describe a path forward, but Neely literally didn't have a cogent answer for ANYTHING and wound up getting frustrated. Constant sputtering and nonsense.

Claude sounds like the only one with half a brain around there.

"You sound pissed. Are you pissed?"
“I’m angry. First of all, I hate missing playoff hockey. Obviously, I bear some responsibility for that,” Neely said. “I understand that you all have a job to do but the questions sometimes are aggravating because its more about stirring the pot than finding out [expletive] information.”
Bear some responsibility? You just said everyone in the organization knows who's in charge!

I know they ultimately ran out of time, but it came across to me like Felger took pity and pulled the plug when he said, "All right Cam... talk to you next season."
 

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Mazz somehow reached a new level of stupidity today.

"If they believe in Jimmy, I'd keep him the length of his contract and then franchise him"

So we're now not starting Jimmy G. and now franchising him for a 5th year without playing him. Great stuff Mazz!
 

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Mazz somehow reached a new level of stupidity today.

"If they believe in Jimmy, I'd keep him the length of his contract and then franchise him"

So we're now not starting Jimmy G. and now franchising him for a 5th year without playing him. Great stuff Mazz!
They firmly believe that the salary cap exists only in the imaginations of everybody else. It's not hard, for example, to find out that Kirk Cousins' non-exclusive tender is taking up $19+ million of Washington's cap unless there is a long term deal.

Both are perfectly suited for our times. There are no facts. There are opinions, which create facts.
 

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That was a painful listen today and I turned them off which is something I rarely do on my drive. I'll try to summarize todays Pats draft talk.......

Felger: I barely watch Ohio State football much less NORTH CAROLINA STATE football. I don't know anything about Jacoby Brissett. I don't know anything about this years crop of QB's except that people say it isn't good. Look, we drafted another WR who I know nothing about! This is a terrible pick because we haven't drafted good WR in a long time.

Mazz: Who's Brissett? I've never heard of him! His stats look like he stinks! Why do we need another quarterback?


Good job good effort boys.
 

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Put on The Baseball Show on the way home today, someone should have called The Hot Take Police:

"If Bogearts doesn't start hitting for power, real power like home runs, the Sox need to let him go after this contract in 2020!"

I'm assuming Mazz is on some sort of medication that is causing him mental problems?
 
Someone tweeted Stephanie Stradley and said, "Felger and Mazz said they asked to have you on to discuss Deflategate but you declined" (for some reason this tweet was deleted). She replied:



She then received a bunch of replies about how Felger and Mazz would just try to shout her down. For example:




Her response was great. I'd love to see them get her on the phone.

 

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Put on The Baseball Show on the way home today, someone should have called The Hot Take Police:

"If Bogearts doesn't start hitting for power, real power like home runs, the Sox need to let him go after this contract in 2020!"

I'm assuming Mazz is on some sort of medication that is causing him mental problems?
Well good hitting SS do come along all the time. The Sox need to hold out for a good hitting SS with power. Because with all of their resources, there is no way they can afford Bogaerts hitting well and playing above average defensively at SS and Mookie Betts. We must choose now!
 

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Well good hitting SS do come along all the time. The Sox need to hold out for a good hitting SS with power. Because with all of their resources, there is no way they can afford Bogaerts hitting well and playing above average defensively at SS and Mookie Betts. We must choose now!
I guess Mazz is longing for the good old days when the Red Sox switched shortstops as many times as Murphy Brown switched secretaries. Recalled this the other day when the "4 Days in October" was on and remembered that I would have preferred 3 or 4 more years of Cabrera vs what we got instead.
 

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First thing I hear when I turn F&M on....."They are pretty good but they ain't this good".
I'm not trying to be a prick, but what did you expect? Has Felger alluded to JBJ being on steroids yet? Did Mazz say that Hanley is a dog? Did Marshall Hook piss on David Ortiz? How about their daring take that David Price isn't worth what the Sox paid him?

Sunshine and lollipops don't pay the bills. Listen at your own risk.
 

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I'm not trying to be a prick, but what did you expect? Has Felger alluded to JBJ being on steroids yet? Did Mazz say that Hanley is a dog? Did Marshall Hook piss on David Ortiz? How about their daring take that David Price isn't worth what the Sox paid him?

Sunshine and lollipops don't pay the bills. Listen at your own risk.
I'm fully aware of what they do. I don't disagree with their point as they truly aren't as good as they've shown this week. The only decent team they've played in a couple weeks is Chicago. In fact, they won't play a team that is more than 1 or 2 games above .500 until the end of the month.
 

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I'm not trying to be a prick, but what did you expect? Has Felger alluded to JBJ being on steroids yet? Did Mazz say that Hanley is a dog? Did Marshall Hook piss on David Ortiz? How about their daring take that David Price isn't worth what the Sox paid him?

Sunshine and lollipops don't pay the bills. Listen at your own risk.
Yes. Yes he has. They both have.
 

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Felger was actually pretty good today, at least when I listened/watched. He said he was enjoying the team, comparing to the 2013 team and how they were a likable team. Mazz was the "let's not get too excited" guy. Said they don't have the pitching to think about them being a WS contender. JBJ can't/won't keep it up. Same with Shaw, Wright, and everyone else that's playing well.
 

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Tony Mazz: The Spur's Leonard is not a franchise player. Neither is Harden. Anthony Davis ....""ummmmmm,, I guess so."

He is a true basketball genius.
 

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I think right before that they were talking about letting Loui Eriksson walk away, and why it is bad that Sweeney is talking to his agent. He kept saying "why is it so anthema to just let him walk away. It seems to be such anthema to them." I realized he was trying to say "anathema", but had no idea what the word actually was, or how to use it.
 

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Listening to them talk about WAR the last two days almost made me stab my eyes out. People complain about how SOSHers misuse it, my god. Felger thinks JBJ has a lower WAR than Xander because Xander has 6 stolen bases.
 

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That was brutal. This was after they both agreed the best "advanced" stat in all of sports was OPS. Then they shit on WAR and "don't even get us started on Corsi or Fenwick whatever they are!!"

I have to change the channel every time Felger starts in on the Eriksson. Makes my ears bleed.
 

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You know what advanced stat I hate? The one that makes Eriksson look like a good hockey player.

Yes, me too Felger. I also hate goals.
And assists.
 

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They are great at the role they are trying to play but I can't take it when Felger is the hockey "expert" and Mazz the baseball "expert" and neither of them know a single thing about either. They do cater to the lowest common denominator though so I'll just turn it off when the stupidity gets too thick.