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I agree. Having a HOF coach (and, separately, a SB-winning OC) compare Brissett to Brown, Martin, and other True Patriots™ is noteworthy. As we know, that kind of maturity and make-up are a real plus for the Pats when distinguishing between one player and another, all other things (talent, performance, skill level) being equal.

There are few that have come forward with similar words of praise for Cook.
 

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I agree. Having a HOF coach (and, separately, a SB-winning OC) compare Brissett to Brown, Martin, and other True Patriots™ is noteworthy. As we know, that kind of maturity and make-up are a real plus for the Pats when distinguishing between one player and another, all other things (talent, performance, skill level) being equal.

There are few that have come forward with similar words of praise for Cook.
Does Parcells have any economic interest in Jacoby's career? It means one thing if Parcells is saying this because he loves the dude from the local high school and another if he's being paid by an agent to mentor and promote a player. I was particularly struck by this line from the article:

"And to that end, Parcells planned on meeting with Brissett yesterday to prepare him for life with Belichick.
“We’re going to have a little visit,” said the Tuna. “Now that we know where we’re going, what we’re doing, we’ve got to give him the rules of engagement, so to speak.”

In any event it looks like a great pick to me--I'm a firm believer in the get a steady flow of mid round picks at QB camp particularly with Brady aging and facing a suspension.
 

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Felger (who, appropriately, gets autocorrected to 'froglet') has an article in which he stupidly claims that he was a big fan of the Brissett pick until he heard these endorsements from Parcells and Weis.

IMO, take the endorsements with as big of a grain of salt as you want... but it is still moronic for froglet to take them as reflecting badly on the player.
 

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Felger being Felger.

Cook's fall surprised me, and at some point I'd like to see some details. The team captain business seemed overdone. On the other hand there have been some spectacular flameouts at the position that stemmed primarily from makeup problems, with Jeff George maybe being exhibit A.

To Shelter's point -- I don't know why you wouldn't do this is you see a guy you really like. Look at the draft ransoms paid to move up for guys who nobody viewed as solid locks.
 

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Felger being Felger.

Cook's fall surprised me, and at some point I'd like to see some details. The team captain business seemed overdone. On the other hand there have been some spectacular flameouts at the position that stemmed primarily from makeup problems, with Jeff George maybe being exhibit A.

To Shelter's point -- I don't know why you wouldn't do this is you see a guy you really like. Look at the draft ransoms paid to move up for guys who nobody viewed as solid locks.
I guess you wouldn't take a QB because it's unlikely you'll find someone you really like in the third or fourth round and it's hard to get value for a QB if they don't play during their rookie contract so it's hard to get value for them.

On Cook Andy Benoit at the MMQB (who has a really tough time keeping off the record things off the record) says that in his (relatively short) carrer looking at the NFL draft he's only gotten unsolicited negative comments about the personalities of 2 QBs--Cook (not a team captain, sounds like the guy from Draft Day) and Manziel.
 

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My thinking is this: We're looking at TB12 being suspended for the first 4 weeks and we only had JG as a backup option. Then we drafted a developmental QB. This is a tough situation to convince a decent veteran to sign up for. At best he's a backup for 4 weeks and then looking at being cut. Who wants to sign up for that? So, I'm not sure that great veteran option is really out there right now. While I don't expect them to make a draft decision on a QB based on being a qualified backup in the first four weeks of his NFL career, I'm just questioning whether this team can succeed with Brissett under center if JG were to go down. If the plan is to bring in a veteran, we'd be looking at 4 QB's on the roster. Considering they've only carried 2 in recent seasons, 4 would certainly be a change in philosophy.

I may be I'm off on my player analysis, but it seemed to me that Cook would be better prepared to step in and take snaps early on instead of Brissett, a guy who appears to need more time to develop. You may certainly be right that none of the round 3 or later prospects would be able to step in if JG got hurt, and there were obviously red flags on Cook that kept a lot of teams away, but to me it was just an interesting choice. Maybe I know nothing about QB's (likely) and Brissett is a better option than Cook early on. I'm firmly in the In BB We Trust camp, so I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
He's not getting cut
 

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Felger being Felger.

Cook's fall surprised me, and at some point I'd like to see some details. The team captain business seemed overdone. On the other hand there have been some spectacular flameouts at the position that stemmed primarily from makeup problems, with Jeff George maybe being exhibit A.

To Shelter's point -- I don't know why you wouldn't do this is you see a guy you really like. Look at the draft ransoms paid to move up for guys who nobody viewed as solid locks.
There were stories that he bombed his tape sessions with teams at the combine. Add that to attitude concerns, accuracy concerns and worry about how he handled pressure and I'm not surprised he dropped.
 

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We know he's not getting complacent due to a lack of competition, but I just love thinking Brady gets even the slightest bit of motivation to play 'til he's 50 when management keeps drafting these 22 year olds. If it helps him have the fire to work his ass off in preparation, it could have added benefit beyond roster and cap management.
 

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Who's not getting cut? I was talking about any potential veteran FA they bring in for the first four weeks if Brady is out, not Brissett. You think they'd carry 4 QB's all year?
Thought you meant Brissett! Anyway, I think your standards are a little too high for a 3rd QB. It's likely that both Cook and Brissett would be awful if they had to play. On the roster crunch, Brady doesn't count while he's suspended and I could see Brissett being Foxboro Flued if JG isn't traded at the deadline. In that scenario they'd only carry three QBs for 5 games.
 
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Brissett's stats aren't eye-popping (if they were, he wouldn't have been available), but his C% is better than Cook's, and by all accounts he has better footwork and physical gifts. Even if short-term need was part of the calculus, Brissett was the better pick of the two; as a long-term prospect, there's no contest.
 

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My thinking is this: We're looking at TB12 being suspended for the first 4 weeks and we only had JG as a backup option. Then we drafted a developmental QB. This is a tough situation to convince a decent veteran to sign up for. At best he's a backup for 4 weeks and then looking at being cut. Who wants to sign up for that? So, I'm not sure that great veteran option is really out there right now.
When an veteran is on an NFL roster for week one, his salary becomes guaranteed for the full season.
 

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Nevermind, that's answered.

As for Brissett, I loved the pick. Brady's going to outlast Jimmy G (as a Patriot, anyway). So it was time for the next clipboard holder to get picked up.
 

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I wasn't a big fan of the pick but I can see Brissett's upside. His escapability is at an elite level now and that's something you can't teach. He has the size to be able to pull that off at the NFL level too. He gets a little jumpy in the pocket but I think that's something he can overcome. I honestly don't care if Parcells, Weis or Vince Lombardi gives him the thumbs up. Whats on the field matters a little bit more. It's a positive that he has a good head on his shoulders though, and I'm sure that factored into the pick.

I don't think this pick has anything to do with JG. The Pats have usually drafted BPA and not really for need so I think they just liked this kid at that point in the draft. JG could still be the heir apparent and Jacoby could be future trade fodder or vice versa. As long as Tommy continues to do what hes doing it could go either way. The Pats have always been great at just getting depth.

IMO Jimmy G is the next up. Having a decent backup in Jacoby already in line isn't the dumbest thing to do.
 

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When an veteran is on an NFL roster for week one, his salary becomes guaranteed for the full season.
That didn't really play into my thinking. Because if you're a decent backup QB, do you want to go into that situation where you're looking at being out of work after 4 weeks? Or do you go to a team like the Jets and not only have a chance at being on the roster all year, but actually play? The salary, as you noted, is guaranteed for the full season anyway, so why not go to the team where you have a chance to play and maybe turn that into a legitimate back-up QB contract offer in the offseason, which we've seen this offseason to be quite lucrative. If you go to NE, you get cut after 4 weeks and then have to learn a new playbook if you can find a new team. If you go to the Jets, you can be the #2 while Hackenberg learns the system and eventually get to play when everyone once again realizes Gino sucks.

I mean, I'm sure they can find someone willing to take that offer. I'm just not sure it's going to be the quality vet we would want in there.
 

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My thinking is this: We're looking at TB12 being suspended for the first 4 weeks and we only had JG as a backup option. Then we drafted a developmental QB. This is a tough situation to convince a decent veteran to sign up for. At best he's a backup for 4 weeks and then looking at being cut. Who wants to sign up for that? So, I'm not sure that great veteran option is really out there right now.
for a veteran who comes in, I think that's the worst case scenario. Not that any of us want this to happen, but best case for a vet is JG going down, the vet playing for four weeks, and then backing up TB. Brissett is probably #3 no matter what
 

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Driving around and saw that Volin (!) has an interesting piece in Globe, linked to by PFT.

Parcells has been been helping the QB since he was 16 or 17 and had a significant role pre draft. Jacoby completed a visit to San Diego and Parcells said, "that's it -- no more visits."

Then New England calls. Parcells -- "get on that plane."

Parcells now advising on where to live, what to have nearby, and other little things that can add up to big things.
 

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Effusive praise by BB standards:

“He handled himself great last week, this week, all week every day,” Belichick said of Brissett after the Patriots blew out the Texans on Thursday night. “He’s done nothing but come in here and work has hard as he possibly can. When we had three quarterbacks to take his opportunities and learn from the other guys, when it was him and Jimmy he learned from Jimmy, and this week it was pretty much all him. He’s a hard-working kid. . . . He just wants to do what the coach wants to do. I’m glad to have him.”
I get it on two levels. Have to keep his confidence high; very grateful for performance that enables them to win.

Still there is something about this guy that seems special by hard-ass BB/Tuna standards. Tuna echoed it this morning on Mike & Mike.
 

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Effusive praise by BB standards:

I get it on two levels. Have to keep his confidence high; very grateful for performance that enables them to win.

Still there is something about this guy that seems special by hard-ass BB/Tuna standards. Tuna echoed it this morning on Mike & Mike.
It seems like with both Garoppolo and Brissett the scouting report was, "enough physical skills; A+++ character / leadership guys." Garoppolo has a quicker release and is more accurate; Brissett has a better arm and runs better, but for both guys the personality evaluation is nothing but positives.
 

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I can't imagine a Shitty Veteran(tm) would be that expensive, especially when there would be the incentive to beat out Jimmy to start during the suspension. And what do you do with Brissett once Brady returns? What do you do if Jimmy gets hurt in a game? Do you send Brissett out there?
Yeah, you do.
 

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Even with the potential of revisionist history, wasnt Brady also considered a PLUS character/leader guy when he came out? His draft profile (that I was able to find) wasnt effusive but did mention he "was a leader". Seems like there was something (article or show) that talked about what a great mature leader he was for a kid. the 30 for 30 about him maybe and the "Splitting of playing time" he did with Henson? And early on wasnt he one of the "parking spot winners" for being 1st in and last out etc etc? Obviously he also has amazing physical traits as well but at the time no one really expected them or they where so "non traditional" (pocket presence) that they where overlooked.
Except for Mallet, BB has seemingly always thought as highly of that aspect of a QB as he has the Arm or Yards he threw for. That seems like an obvious no brainer, but why dont more teams seemingly do the same thing??

Was there dink QB in BBs past that made him think "When I have an opportunity I am having a "true leader" even if his arm isnt as strong or he isnt as fast or isnt 6'4 230 (I know Brady became this but early on he was the skinny guy).

Kosar?
Testaverde was obviously always loved by BB.
Simms and Hostetler?

Maybe there was no patient zero "dink" QB but its seems clear that BB really promotes the Idea that QB should truly be your hardest worker and leader of your team.
 

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Let's not diminish Jacoby's physical skills. On the Ross Tucker Football Podcast Greg Cosell said before the game that Brissett was as close to as talented as any quarterback coming out in the draft, and in the space of a minute said these about his evaluations of JB at NC State: "talent jumps off the film", "easy thrower", "quick throw with power". Being A+++ in character doesn't mean Belichick took a noodle-armed QB.
 

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Even with the potential of revisionist history, wasnt Brady also considered a PLUS character/leader guy when he came out? His draft profile (that I was able to find) wasnt effusive but did mention he "was a leader". Seems like there was something (article or show) that talked about what a great mature leader he was for a kid. the 30 for 30 about him maybe and the "Splitting of playing time" he did with Henson? And early on wasnt he one of the "parking spot winners" for being 1st in and last out etc etc? Obviously he also has amazing physical traits as well but at the time no one really expected them or they where so "non traditional" (pocket presence) that they where overlooked.
Except for Mallet, BB has seemingly always thought as highly of that aspect of a QB as he has the Arm or Yards he threw for. That seems like an obvious no brainer, but why dont more teams seemingly do the same thing??

Was there dink QB in BBs past that made him think "When I have an opportunity I am having a "true leader" even if his arm isnt as strong or he isnt as fast or isnt 6'4 230 (I know Brady became this but early on he was the skinny guy).

Kosar?
Testaverde was obviously always loved by BB.
Simms and Hostetler?

Maybe there was no patient zero "dink" QB but its seems clear that BB really promotes the Idea that QB should truly be your hardest worker and leader of your team.
Well, it helps to have a franchise QB (Bledsoe when TB was taken, for example) at the helm each time you draft a high character guy. You're drafting these guys to back up Pro Bowl QBs and take their time learning the system from you. Many teams do not have this luxury and are forced to draft the quarterback who has to be the man right away. Often times, you're going to go with tools over character all day.

This isn't to say TB and JG and JB had no skills coming out of college... but I think we'd agree there were other QBs we all had rated higher than any of them at the time.
 

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Agree on both the above.

Brissett and JG both had good to very good skills.
But evidently not enough to persuade other GMs to draft them higher
(wasnt JG considered a "reach" in the 2nd?)

And great point I did not consider. Having TB does allow you alot of leeway when picking and choosing your Backups.

I also wonder if having a HOFer as a mentor is worth more then any of us have thus far mentioned.
 

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Haha, very nice. Bill made it work, which is pretty amazing. It kind of helped that the Texans never got a lead.

Watched the TD run again, and I thought maybe it was a busted play, but no, it was a designed run. There was nobody home so it was an easy first down but Brissett's speed was the difference in getting the TD.
 

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I heard on the TV this morning that the Patriots had run the option once in the last 5 years; they ran it 7 times last night.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who heard that Brissett's TD runs was the longest Patriot QB run since Steve Grogan.

Kudos to MM and JMcD for playing to JB's strengths and keeping him comfortable and the Texans off balance.
 

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Let's not diminish Jacoby's physical skills.
You are absolutely right that we ought not discount Brissett's athleticism. But (and I credit SoSH in part for me coming to recognize this), it is less than common for an African-American athlete to be recognized for character/leadership first, and athletic ability second.
 

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I heard on the TV this morning that the Patriots had run the option once in the last 5 years; they ran it 7 times last night.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who heard that Brissett's TD runs was the longest Patriot QB run since Steve Grogan.

Kudos to MM and JMcD for playing to JB's strengths and keeping him comfortable and the Texans off balance.
Grogan in 1978! 38 years ago. Incredible.
 

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You are absolutely right that we ought not discount Brissett's athleticism. But (and I credit SoSH in part for me coming to recognize this), it is less than common for an African-American athlete to be recognized for character/leadership first, and athletic ability second.
It was funny last night for no sooner did I just finish explaining to my soon-to-be-ex-wife (long story) that Brissett was not really a Cam-type QB in that he couldn't run nearly as effectively then he took off on his end zone run.
 

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I heard on the TV this morning that the Patriots had run the option once in the last 5 years; they ran it 7 times last night.
Does this mean they ran the option once with Brady during the last five years? (I doubt it). I guess it must have been either Mallett, or when Garoppolo played against the Chiefs or the regular season finale against the Bills in 2014.
 

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CBS showed the training staff working on a bleeding thumb at some point during the second half, but no idea when it happened in game