2016 Jacoby "One Snap" Brissett

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There's the classic BB WTF pick. Transferred from Florida.


A Florida native, Brissett sat out the 2013 season as a transfer from Gainesville and earned the starting job in '14, opening eyes with his performance against Florida State as N.C. State almost pulled the upset. He finished the 2014 season with 26 total touchdowns (23 passing, three rushing), 2,606 passing yards and only five interceptions.

Brissett set career-bests in 2015 with 237 completions and 2,662 passing yards, earning All-ACC Honorable Mention honors and a spot on the Senior Bowl roster.
 

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What a waste of a pick at this stage of the draft.

Can someone rationalize this pick?
 

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What a waste of a pick at this stage of the draft.

Can someone rationalize this pick?
ITP can:
This is a key from Mark's excellent breakdown:

"Inside Brissett there is a classic, dropback-passer fit for the Coryell system just waiting to be unlocked. With his arm talent and his touch in the vertical passing game, his ability to keep his eyes trained downfield in the pocket and ability to extend plays in the pocket, Brissett is a great fit for that style of play."

Any young QB already steeped in the Coryell system has to have a huge leg up in NE's scheme.
 

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It's the annual reminder that this team 1) views the quarterback position as having the utmost importance and 2) that they are not managing the roster to a Tom Brady window.
 

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Who's going to back up Brady when Jimmy G lays waste to the first 4 teams he faces and is traded for 2 1st rounders? :rolleyes:
Nah, BB will trade JG before the season starts. The Brady suspension means BB can justify asking for more talent in a trade.
 

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Mark it down: Jacoby Brissett will be the most successful QB in this class.
 

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ITP can:

This is a key from Mark's excellent breakdown:

"Inside Brissett there is a classic, dropback-passer fit for the Coryell system just waiting to be unlocked. With his arm talent and his touch in the vertical passing game, his ability to keep his eyes trained downfield in the pocket and ability to extend plays in the pocket, Brissett is a great fit for that style of play."
WEEI said he lacks touch on deep balls, hitting something like 23% down the field...so I'm confused. That seems to clash with the bolded.
 

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ITP can:

This is a key from Mark's excellent breakdown:

"Inside Brissett there is a classic, dropback-passer fit for the Coryell system just waiting to be unlocked. With his arm talent and his touch in the vertical passing game, his ability to keep his eyes trained downfield in the pocket and ability to extend plays in the pocket, Brissett is a great fit for that style of play."

Any young QB already steeped in the Coryell system has to have a huge leg up in NE's scheme.
One of the things that stands out in that article is that a lot of his production came against lower competition. Also, his year three projection is a top end backup in the article.

Are we finding market inefficiencies in the backup QB position now?
 

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He is.

But is Brissett playing in this year or next?
I'd guess no, but are we that sure on Garoppolo?

More simply, I think they just really liked him and took a value pick when they had an opportunity.
 

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I can't imagine a Shitty Veteran(tm) would be that expensive, especially when there would be the incentive to beat out Jimmy to start during the suspension. And what do you do with Brissett once Brady returns? What do you do if Jimmy gets hurt in a game? Do you send Brissett out there?
 

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WEEI said he lacks touch on deep balls, hitting something like 23% down the field...so I'm confused. That seems to clash with the bolded.
These two articles show his ability to put touch on deeps balls:

The first you'll need to scroll down to Play 2, and he throws a deep/intermediate ball on the run and places it perfectly over the shoulder:

http://insidethepylon.com/pylon-u/teams-ncaa/division-ia-fbs/acc/north-carolina-state-wolfpack/2015/10/29/on-two-jacoby-brissetts-play-strength-and-downfield-vision/

Next, this one shows him stepping up in the pocket and unleashing a bomb that hits the WR in stride

http://insidethepylon.com/pylon-u/teams-ncaa/division-ia-fbs/acc/north-carolina-state-wolfpack/2015/10/29/on-two-jacoby-brissetts-play-strength-and-downfield-vision/
 

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Like a lot of quarterbacks coming from college, Brissett's main challenge is going speeding up his progression reads (at least he can read them) to match the speed of NFL play. He's a big, strong dude with a nice arm and bits of pieces of a solid QB. Learning under this system should help quite a bit. Plus he's killer on the slant route so he can just feed Edelmandola too if, god forbid, he needs to step into game action this year.
 

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WEEI said he lacks touch on deep balls, hitting something like 23% down the field...so I'm confused. That seems to clash with the bolded.
In his game against Virginia Tech alone, I counted four deep balls that he put on the receiver perfectly, that were dropped.

For the record, I love this pick. QB2 is a pretty important spot on a roster these days, and New England needs a solid QB2 option behind JG for Weeks 1-4 as things stand right now. Then he slides back to QB3, refines what he needs to refine, and in a year or two he's a top-end backup in this league, on the roster just as TB12 likely rides off into the sunset. That gives you some options.
 

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Not much. Just curious why a WR, LB, RB, DT or another OL was passed over for a QB that was going to be a third day pick.
They thought he was the best overall value on the board?

Also not sure he was going to be a 3rd day pick, he's been projected in the third round by a decent number of reputable draft analysts. Quite possible the Browns would have taken him at 93 over Kessler.

If you think a guy has long-term potential as a starting QB, and your current starter is old but might play 2-3 more years and your project QB backup has only 2 years left on his deal, why not? If he's an NFL starter quality QB at any point in his rookie deal it's a great pick.
 

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In his game against Virginia Tech alone, I counted four deep balls that he put on the receiver perfectly, that were dropped.

For the record, I love this pick. QB2 is a pretty important spot on a roster these days, and New England needs a solid QB2 option behind JG for Weeks 1-4 as things stand right now. Then he slides back to QB3, refines what he needs to refine, and in a year or two he's a top-end backup in this league, on the roster just as TB12 likely rides off into the sunset. That gives you some options.
From the QB thread, you ranked him 8 out of top 20. Of the 7 you ranked ahead of him, who was left on the board when Brisset was selected and who are they?

Thanks
 

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Connor Cook - Apparently the attitude issue is a factor
Vernon Adams - Undersized QB who likely won't get drafted because of that.
Cardale Jones - Big, raw QB who got benched because he struggled in an offense that didn't fit his skillset.
Cody Kessler - He came off the board right after, but because of his lack of arm strength/velocity projects best to a West Coast system predicated on the short passing game.

Adams is more of a Day 3 project guy by NFL standards, Kessler isn't the best scheme fit. Jones might have worked, but he's falling for a reason that I can't figure out right now. Cook makes sense from a scheme fit perspective but the issue with him is the mental/attitude, which I can't get a read on but New England clearly can, given the access.

EDIT: If you want more in the moment thoughts on this, I was actually on air with Waldman and company when this pick went down. You can start listening at this mark to hear our thoughts on the pick:
EDIT2: If the timing doesn't synch up right, it comes around the 4:04:00 mark.
 
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I saw him play Clemson this year and he reminded me of Big Ben. Extends plays by breaking tackles no QB should get out of. Not a speed guy avoiding the rush, but can take a hit and move really well to extend the play. He pretty much torched the Clemson D in a shootout style game.
 

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I'm firmly in the "In BB we trust camp" but this was a confusing one. I'm guessing they thought CLE would've taken him or they could've waited until later in the round to get him.

The interesting thing to me is, he seems like he has tools but is a ways away from being ready. It makes sense to take another QB with a potential TB12 suspension, but I would've thought a Connor Cook type would've been a likelier target- someone who appears to be more game ready. If JG gets hurt, we're trusting the offense to Brissett?
 

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If you want to go all tinfoil hat on this, could they have made this pick for developmental/Parcells reasons, with a deal lined up to sign a Hoyer type as Brady insurance and trade JG to a team that doesn't get a QB in the draft?
 

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That ITP link is fun and informative to watch - thanks for sharing. It'll be interesting to see how the skills he flashes on them will translate to the bigger, stronger, faster players in the NFL. Will he be able to shed lineman so easily at the next level? Love that he doesn't freeze out downfield after pressure - the lack of that trait has doomed many qb prospects.
 

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Slight chance he's the '17 number 2 if like ten different things happen

Its a pick for the potential post Brady era and/or backup once Jimmy G moves on.
This. I don't think this pick had anything to do with Brady's suspension or a trade.
It's about keeping someone in the pipeline.
 

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I didn't realize that Charlie Weis originally recruited him to college. This was according to Bob Socci this morning.

Parcels and Weis connections couldn't have hurt.
 

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2016/05/bill_parcells_charlie_weis_rave_about_new_patriots_qb_jacoby_brissett

“He’s a Curtis Martin, Willie McGinest, Troy Brown type player. That’s the kind of guy he is. That’s what New England is getting,” Parcells said when reached yesterday. “Those kinds, those Tedy Bruschi types, those players who’ve been successful — he’s very similar in his personal life to those kinds of guys.”
“I only got to coach him for one season, but I absolutely loved the kid as a player and a person,” said Weis, who left to coach Kansas, while Brissett later transferred to North Carolina State. “I couldn’t be any happier that he ended up in New England.”
 

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There is something refreshing about football lifers investing in a guy like this even though they have no ax to grind
 

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The interesting thing to me is, he seems like he has tools but is a ways away from being ready. It makes sense to take another QB with a potential TB12 suspension, but I would've thought a Connor Cook type would've been a likelier target- someone who appears to be more game ready. If JG gets hurt, we're trusting the offense to Brissett?
I don't understand this sort of logic - maybe you can expand.

My take is that in they're already going to be splitting OTA/Preseason/Etc time between Brady and JG. I just don't see any situation where a rookie available in the 3rd round is going to be both good enough, and get enough practice time to be a not-terrible fallback option. I don't think there are any good rookie options for the situation where your starter gets suspended, and backup gets hurt. I think making draft decisions based on that sort of thing is incredibly shortsighted - and if the possibility of JG getting hurt is a real worry, its a significantly better idea to address it with a veteran who isn't going to need nearly as much practice time.
 

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There is something refreshing about football lifers investing in a guy like this even though they have no ax to grind
Also a good lesson for underlings everywhere, even one so prominent as an assistant coach. Even as a GOAT candidate, BB is still receiving and respecting input from his former superior. Guys like Vrabel and McDaniels figure to reap some of the same benefits in turn while someone like Mangini continues to sit in the corner.
 

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I don't understand this sort of logic - maybe you can expand.

My take is that in they're already going to be splitting OTA/Preseason/Etc time between Brady and JG. I just don't see any situation where a rookie available in the 3rd round is going to be both good enough, and get enough practice time to be a not-terrible fallback option. I don't think there are any good rookie options for the situation where your starter gets suspended, and backup gets hurt. I think making draft decisions based on that sort of thing is incredibly shortsighted - and if the possibility of JG getting hurt is a real worry, its a significantly better idea to address it with a veteran who isn't going to need nearly as much practice time.
My thinking is this: We're looking at TB12 being suspended for the first 4 weeks and we only had JG as a backup option. Then we drafted a developmental QB. This is a tough situation to convince a decent veteran to sign up for. At best he's a backup for 4 weeks and then looking at being cut. Who wants to sign up for that? So, I'm not sure that great veteran option is really out there right now. While I don't expect them to make a draft decision on a QB based on being a qualified backup in the first four weeks of his NFL career, I'm just questioning whether this team can succeed with Brissett under center if JG were to go down. If the plan is to bring in a veteran, we'd be looking at 4 QB's on the roster. Considering they've only carried 2 in recent seasons, 4 would certainly be a change in philosophy.

I may be I'm off on my player analysis, but it seemed to me that Cook would be better prepared to step in and take snaps early on instead of Brissett, a guy who appears to need more time to develop. You may certainly be right that none of the round 3 or later prospects would be able to step in if JG got hurt, and there were obviously red flags on Cook that kept a lot of teams away, but to me it was just an interesting choice. Maybe I know nothing about QB's (likely) and Brissett is a better option than Cook early on. I'm firmly in the In BB We Trust camp, so I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
 

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Love this pick and hope they don't shy away from drafting another QB next year if they find someone they love in the middle rounds. This dude isn't sniffing a snap this year and neither would a FA acquisition so why spend the additional cash for a one-year veteran QB? I think a smart organization is drafting a QB every year or two even just from a surplus value standpoint. Add in that Brady is locked in for more years than JG and drafting a (competent) QB this year is a no-brainer.

Look around the league at what backup free agent QBs get and compare it to what a 3-7th round draftee gets on a rookie deal. Chase Daniel just got 12 mil guaranteed, Cassel got 2 mil, RG3 just got 6.75 mil guaranteed, Keenum got 3.6 mil non-guaranteed. They'll have Brissett for 4 years at ~3.1 mil total. OK, you want to get real bottom of the barrel stuff like Thad Lewis? You can get that for 760K, but then you have to do the same thing again next year and you aren't developing a QB at that point.
 

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My thinking is this: We're looking at TB12 being suspended for the first 4 weeks and we only had JG as a backup option. Then we drafted a developmental QB. This is a tough situation to convince a decent veteran to sign up for. At best he's a backup for 4 weeks and then looking at being cut. Who wants to sign up for that? So, I'm not sure that great veteran option is really out there right now. While I don't expect them to make a draft decision on a QB based on being a qualified backup in the first four weeks of his NFL career, I'm just questioning whether this team can succeed with Brissett under center if JG were to go down. If the plan is to bring in a veteran, we'd be looking at 4 QB's on the roster. Considering they've only carried 2 in recent seasons, 4 would certainly be a change in philosophy.

I may be I'm off on my player analysis, but it seemed to me that Cook would be better prepared to step in and take snaps early on instead of Brissett, a guy who appears to need more time to develop. You may certainly be right that none of the round 3 or later prospects would be able to step in if JG got hurt, and there were obviously red flags on Cook that kept a lot of teams away, but to me it was just an interesting choice. Maybe I know nothing about QB's (likely) and Brissett is a better option than Cook early on. I'm firmly in the In BB We Trust camp, so I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
They kept Garoppolo as the only backup in 2014 and he was coming out of a less pro-ready college background than Brissett. I'm guessing they'll have a vet in camp (even if just Lindley again) that will only stick if Brissett looks really unready (like Mallett apparently did his rookie season).

I think you're probably right that Cook is better ready to step in early on if something happens to Garoppolo, but clearly they prefer Brissett on the whole, and it probably doesn't make sense to put a ton of weight on contingency plans if Garoppolo gets hurt early on.
 

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