Out Out, Brief Panda: Pablo To Have Shoulder Surgery

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On mobile, but it's all over Twitter. Kind of predicted based on what we had heard earlier. No word on type of surgery or time that will be missed.
 

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"Red Sox announce that third baseman Pablo Sandoval will undergo surgery on his left shoulder. The procedure will be performed in the coming days by Dr. James Andrews. Sandoval is expected to miss the rest of the season." - Marly Rivera ESPN Writer
 

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I didn't think Pablo had become so rotund that "through the shoulder" was the least obstructive way to conduct a gastric bypass surgery.
 

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Confirmed the Red Sox have no insurance on Pablo. I am beyond disappointed, I thought they were smarter than that

 

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What exactly happened to his shoulder? I feel like there's been a dearth of information on the ailment, how it occurred, etc.
Sounds like a pre-existing condition from a 2011 injury that he reinjured diving for a ball, or maybe he filled his plate at a buffet beyond his capacity to carry it with hurting himself. Perhaps there is hope he can perform better with the shoulder problem corrected. Not a lot of hope, but some
 

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Confirmed the Red Sox have no insurance on Pablo. I am beyond disappointed, I thought they were smarter than that

Insurance probably costs 10 cents for every dollar of coverage, there are retention amounts and policy limits, and you aren't covered for the CBT implications of the contract, which remains on the club's books. It's a shitty deal. Much better to pocket the money you would otherwise spend on insurance premiums and treat any contract that would otherwise be insured as "off-budget."

Edit: And if Panda's current injury is an aggravation or re-injury of a problem he had in 2011, they wouldn't be collecting insurance proceeds anyway.
 

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Looks like it will be major surgery (more than a scope?)

“@PeteAbe: Told by a source Sandoval faces “significant” surgery and a lengthy rehab. Odds against him playing this season. More known post-surgery”

 

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Maybe Ortiz and Hanley will talk him into going full Monty on the rehab...spend a year losing weight and getting into the best shape of his life...

Or they'll kill him.
 

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This is the best I have ever felt about a Sox player having season ending surgery. I don't expect that to change.
 

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Insurance probably costs 10 cents for every dollar of coverage, there are retention amounts and policy limits, and you aren't covered for the CBT implications of the contract, which remains on the club's books. It's a shitty deal. Much better to pocket the money you would otherwise spend on insurance premiums and treat any contract that would otherwise be insured as "off-budget."

Edit: And if Panda's current injury is an aggravation or re-injury of a problem he had in 2011, they wouldn't be collecting insurance proceeds anyway.
Based on Scherzers claim that he took out a 40 million tax free insurance policy for 750K I think the number is closer to 3 cents on the dollar. Whether the insurance company would have covered the shoulder, I don't know. I do remember Josh Beckett said the insurance company covered his shoulder when he signed his extension with the Red Sox so they probably look at a players health following the initial injury and will still cover it if they are satisfied its not an issue any longer. Obviously, his MRI's did not raise any red flags for the Red Sox, so I imagine the insurance company would have been OK as well
 

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or maybe he filled his plate at a buffet beyond his capacity to carry it with hurting himself.
This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?
 

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Well, at least now he can get fixed, rehab is way back to 2011 playing weight and send Travis back to the bench in 2017 so Pablo can win another batting title.

Or, he may never be seen again.
 

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Feels like John Lackey c2012. How many people predicted that Lackey would be a key component of a World Series winning team the following year?
 

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Feels like John Lackey c2012. How many people predicted that Lackey would be a key component of a World Series winning team the following year?
Let me disagree on this one. Lackey had a bunch of good years before he fell off the table due to an elbow injury in his pitching arm. There were no signs that he wasn't working hard, and it turned out he was just playing through an injury as was rumored at the time of his sugery. Panda's value depends on athleticism, which depends on working hard, which there are signs he is not doing.
I won't be surprised if Panda never comes back at a high level, or does play at a high level for 3-6 mos before another injury.
 

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This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?
Colon seems like a very bad example of an athlete eating themselves out of a job.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Panda came back to have a few more decent seasons before he's done, whether it's in Boston or somewhere else.
 
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Yes I understand insurance is expensive but doesn't it seem with his history they would have strongly considered it and swallowed the premium?
Ben...what were you thinking?
 

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Looks like it will be major surgery (more than a scope?)

“@PeteAbe: Told by a source Sandoval faces “significant” surgery and a lengthy rehab. Odds against him playing this season. More known post-surgery”

Really hard to say until post-op. Even if he did have "just" an arthroscopic subacromial decompression (i.e. nothing repaired), he'd likely be out for 2-3 months, so given everything else that transpired this season why bother activating him? Just use this as a good excuse to hit the reset button and hope for the best in the future. Any kind of repair and his season is definitely over.​
 

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This or an RSI from the dessert table at Golden Corral. Just curious, I know Colon was renowned for being a tubby SOB but has anyone else literally eaten themselves out of a job in the MLB in such a spectacular fashion?
For weight/injury combos, could we look a Mo Vaughn and Carlos Baerga?
 

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I'm not sure this could have worked out better, honestly. Shaw is the better player moving forward, Pablo gets his excuse and gets away from the spotlight, and Farrell doesn't have to deal with the distraction of Panda being around the clubhouse.

The whole massive contract part sucks, but I digress...
 

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So question: I'm under the impression that players on the 60 day DL don't count against the lux tax cap. I know that's how it worked in previous CBA's, I think that's how it still works. So in theory, since he's out for the season, his salary goes on the 60 day and we suddenly gain some luxury tax wiggle room. Have I got that right?
 

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I'm getting that from the fact that it worked that way in previous CBA's. For example, when Matt Clement went on the 60 day in 2006, his salary still counted in the sense that we were paying it, but it didn't count against the cap for the purpose of luxury tax calculations for the percentage of the season he spent on the 60 day DL (which was most of the season). We still paid him his umpteen million, but we didn't pay luxury tax penalties becaose if it. Reasonably confident Curt Schilling was the same deal in 08, we were still out of pocket, but the luxury tax implications were eased.

15 day and minor league salaries still count against the cap but 60 day DL salary doesn't. Or didn't. I think it's because guys on the 60 day DL aren't on the 40-man, but that may have nothing to do with it.I've tried to look up if it still works that way and saw an article or two in Fangraphs that suggested it does, but could use a bit of confirmation.

It's not a huge deal either way, except that maybe we could now take on a bit of salary without incurring tax penalties, which gives us a little wiggle room when making trades.
 
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I'm getting that from the fact that it worked that way in previous CBA's. For example, when Matt Clement went on the 60 day in 2006, his salary still counted in the sense that we were paying it, but it didn't count against the cap for the purpose of luxury tax calculations for the percentage of the season he spent on the 60 day DL (which was most of the season). We still paid him his umpteen million, but we didn't pay luxury tax penalties becaose if it. Reasonably confident Curt Schilling was the same deal in 08, we were still out of pocket, but the luxury tax implications were eased.

15 day and minor league salaries still count against the cap but 60 day DL salary doesn't. Or didn't. I think it's because guys on the 60 day DL aren't on the 40-man, but that may have nothing to do with it.I've tried to look up if it still works that way and saw an article or two in Fangraphs that suggested it does, but could use a bit of confirmation.

It's not a huge deal either way, except that maybe we could now take on a bit of salary without incurring tax penalties, which gives us a little wiggle room when making trades.
This is where that rule we have about linking to a source instead of just relying on memory comes in handy. In the future, do not post your opinions like you did here without linking to the source.
 

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...and somewhere deep in the bowels of AT&T, Brian Sabean, grins to himself, takes another sip of his bourbon and sends an email to the equipment guy asking how much fabric was saved on Matt Duffy's uniforms over the past two seasons...
 

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...and somewhere deep in the bowels of AT&T, Brian Sabean, grins to himself, takes another sip of his bourbon and sends an email to the equipment guy asking how much fabric was saved on Matt Duffy's uniforms over the past two seasons...
They tried McGahee there first and he was useless, so Sabean isn't some eerie savant.
 

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They tried McGahee there first and he was useless, so Sabean isn't some eerie savant.
Not to mention it's not as though Sabean pushed Sandoval out the door and told him not to come back. By all accounts, he was all in on bringing Sandoval back with a competitive, if not larger offer but Panda chose Boston. Sabean dodged a very large bullet (pun intended), and it's not because he had some Matrix-level acrobatic skills.
 
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