2016 Jets: Diaper Dandies
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Wow. Didn't see that coming.
D'Brick has been a total team player over the years, doing Jets favors along the way (contractually). There were rumblings that he may not take another request for a cut kindly, and there it is. Reportedly, Jets have asked him to take a big pay cut to pay for Fitz.
Ferguson was certainly nowhere near what he was. But Jets now need to fill a huge spot on the OL. I think they're almost forced to get the best tackle available in the draft, being so late in the FA period.
All the Jets reports (Cimini, Mehta, etc.) are saying that Ferguson has been mulling retirement for weeks.
No LT, no FA to fill his spot, need to spend a high pick to replace him, and at least some of that $9m saved now has to go to Fitz.
This is a good day.
Edit: Breer says: "Ferguson walking away would not blindside the Jets. The veteran left tackle has kept them in the loop throughout."
No LT, no FA to fill his spot, need to spend a high pick to replace him, and at least some of that $9m saved now has to go to Fitz.
This is a good day.
Edit: Breer says: "Ferguson walking away would not blindside the Jets. The veteran left tackle has kept them in the loop throughout."
That was a good draft year at the top
Mario Williams
Reggie Bush
Vince Young
BRICK
AJ Hawk
Vernon Davis
Mangini got Brick and Mangold out of that first rd (4, 29)
Sad to see him go
Mario Williams
Reggie Bush
Vince Young
BRICK
AJ Hawk
Vernon Davis
Mangini got Brick and Mangold out of that first rd (4, 29)
Sad to see him go
Jets depth chart: http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/NYJ
If this unit gets into any extended injury trouble, Fitz may also consider retirement in 2017. Now I was curious about other Jets tackle picks, and this is what I found.
NYJ has not drafted a true tackle since Aboushi, who was picked in the 5th round in 2013. He's now with the Texans. The previous tackle drafted was the infamous 2nd rounder Vlad Ducasse in 2010, a certifiable bust who's with the Bears now.
Besides the forgettable low-round picks Nate Garner and Jacob Bender in the 2008 and 2007 draft, you have to go all the way back to 2006 and the 4th overall selection Ferguson to find another significant investment at the tackle position.
If this unit gets into any extended injury trouble, Fitz may also consider retirement in 2017. Now I was curious about other Jets tackle picks, and this is what I found.
NYJ has not drafted a true tackle since Aboushi, who was picked in the 5th round in 2013. He's now with the Texans. The previous tackle drafted was the infamous 2nd rounder Vlad Ducasse in 2010, a certifiable bust who's with the Bears now.
Besides the forgettable low-round picks Nate Garner and Jacob Bender in the 2008 and 2007 draft, you have to go all the way back to 2006 and the 4th overall selection Ferguson to find another significant investment at the tackle position.
Jets could also look to trade for a LT. Per excellent @Dan_Hatman, possible options are Joe Thomas, Ryan Clady, and Luke Joeckel.
Now Joe Thomas would obviously the best possible option. He was nearly traded to the Broncos last November (Thomas + 4th for 1st or 2nd rounder in 2016).
Thomas is on to the 6th year out of his 8 year contract signed back in 2011. Conveniently, his cap hit for 2016 is $9.5m. There are no dead money for cutting/trading him in 2017 & 2018, with a $10m cap hit.
I'd be pretty impressed if Jets can pull this off. With the clown show that Sashi & Company is running, getting Thomas for a 2nd rounder would be more than sensible.
The stumbling block, of course, is how much Fitz will cost (Jets have zero cap room right now).
Now Joe Thomas would obviously the best possible option. He was nearly traded to the Broncos last November (Thomas + 4th for 1st or 2nd rounder in 2016).
Thomas is on to the 6th year out of his 8 year contract signed back in 2011. Conveniently, his cap hit for 2016 is $9.5m. There are no dead money for cutting/trading him in 2017 & 2018, with a $10m cap hit.
I'd be pretty impressed if Jets can pull this off. With the clown show that Sashi & Company is running, getting Thomas for a 2nd rounder would be more than sensible.
The stumbling block, of course, is how much Fitz will cost (Jets have zero cap room right now).
How can they add anything but a draft pick at LT with the amount of cap space they have? They can't fit Thomas under the cap.
Or they could fit a veteran and draft another QB, Connor Cook maybe. They're pretty fucked no matter what at this point.
Would bouncing Brian Winters outside be an option? He was an LT in college, and at 6'4" he wouldn't be that small for a tackle. I thought he was pretty bad at LG early in the 2014 season but I didn't get to take a closer look last year, when he was apparently a lot better.
The obvious "solution" is to trade Mo Wilkerson. His cap hit is $15.7m this year on a 1-year deal, with NO dead money. With Leonard Williams on board, they can do what was once unthinkable -- trade their best player away.
If they do, they get something (a high 2nd, most likely) before he walks next year. They can't pay both Mo & Richardson, who's also on the last year of his rookie deal. And Snacks is already gone.
They can't do much with the rest of the contracts. Revis is getting paid $17m with a whopping $23m in dead money if cut/traded, Marshall's dead money is $9.5m, and it just continues right down the road. They can, if deseparate cut their RT Giacomini and save $4.4m and save another $2m by replacing kicker Nick Folk.
TGG is wishing for a 1st rounder for Mo, but most seem to be realistic (i.e., 2nd and a 4th). 49ers have been mentioned as a potential partner, and someone just floated a Mo to Eagles (apparently Cox signing is not a sure thing).
The Jets best long term hope is that they nail this draft and start infusing their team with young and cheap players. Even with Ferguson retiring, if they sign Fitzpatrick they remain right at the cap limit. Trading away draft picks for an expensive tackle is not in their long-term best interests.
Ben Volin @BenVolin 5h5 hours ago
Ferguson played 10,351 of a possible 10,352 snaps since the #Jets picked him 4th overall in 2006.
Ferguson played 10,351 of a possible 10,352 snaps since the #Jets picked him 4th overall in 2006.
The Wilkerson-to-Bears rumor has been out there for weeks. I'd still think it won't happen until draft time if it does.
Never even listed on an injury report per local radio. Think about that. It's preposterous standing alone and downright silly when viewed through the prism of the bullshit we went through last year.
The guy obviously knew how to take care of himself and is doing so now. Unless someone wants to argue luck or that 10,352 snaps over more than 160 games is not a sufficient statistical sample.
I'm sure he takes care of himself, and he's probably as tough a player as you'll ever find since there's no way he didn't suffer from nagging injuries of some kind or another during that streak.
But for an interior lineman to play that many consecutive games, never mind snaps, I'm confident saying luck played a huge role in things.
But for an interior lineman to play that many consecutive games, never mind snaps, I'm confident saying luck played a huge role in things.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 4m4 minutes ago
Denver has agreed to trade four-time Pro-Bowl OT Ryan Clady and a 7th-round pick to the Jets for a 5th-round pick, league sources told ESPN.
Denver has agreed to trade four-time Pro-Bowl OT Ryan Clady and a 7th-round pick to the Jets for a 5th-round pick, league sources told ESPN.
Well if Clady can actually play and restructured his deal to be a few million cheaper than Brick, I'll take it.
The news I see (with no details) is that he restructured. I'll post a link if I see details reported
“@ProFootballTalk: New Ryan Clady deal: $6M, with $3M guaranteed for 2016. Jets have option for 2017 at $10M; it can escalate to $13M. Story coming at PFT.”
Indeed. If Clady is fully healthy (big if obviously), Jets have one more year to negotiate a new deal or groom/acquire the next replacement. For 2016, a former All-Pro replaces DBF and still leaves some room in the cap.
NYJ's best acquisition does not play on the field. He sits behind the phones and is making solid decisions at almost every turn.
Clady deal is better but still only have a few million under the cap. To add a QB they'll have to trade Wilkerson.
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline 4m4 minutes ago
NY Jets made a serious offer to Tennessee Titans for the first pick...should have more in a little bit...
NY Jets made a serious offer to Tennessee Titans for the first pick...should have more in a little bit...
Evan Silva @evansilva 3m3 minutes ago
From @AdamSchefter: Ryan Fitzpatrick has told people he would "rather not play football" than play for the #Jets at their contract offer.
From @AdamSchefter: Ryan Fitzpatrick has told people he would "rather not play football" than play for the #Jets at their contract offer.
Good for Fitz. Jets could lose their starting QB this year and their best defensive player in Mo next.
Apparently Lynch is no longer their #1 pick. Mac could go DT in round 1 and QB in round 2.
Apparently Lynch is no longer their #1 pick. Mac could go DT in round 1 and QB in round 2.
Chances of the Jets drafting Eli Apple and the Post / Daily News going with some kind of Big Apple headline??
Pete Prisco of CBS Sports.com on the Hackenberg pick for the Jets
Tells you all you need to know about Prisco in one sentence.
Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer
Jets GM Mike Maccagnan on the QB situation: They still want to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick (where have we heard that before?), they're "excited" to see Geno Smith, they like Bryce Petty "quite a bit" and, "in a perfect world," they won't have to rush Christian Hackenberg into the lineup as a rookie.
Jets GM Mike Maccagnan on the QB situation: They still want to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick (where have we heard that before?), they're "excited" to see Geno Smith, they like Bryce Petty "quite a bit" and, "in a perfect world," they won't have to rush Christian Hackenberg into the lineup as a rookie.
That's all fine and dandy, but according to Overthecap.com and Spotrac.com, Jets have no more than $3m+ in remaining cap space. They still need to clear $2m+ in cap space to afford the projected rookie pool. Their 2015 pool is expected to cost $5,369,607 (http://overthecap.com/draft/).
Jets FO already made a number of moves to clear space during the F.A. period. Looking at the roster cap/salary figures at http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap, there ain't much wiggle room. They could redo Mangold's deal (6th of his 7-year deal with $8.6m cap hit) or RT Giacomini's (3rd of his 4-year deal at $5.625m cap hit), but options are few and far between.
To add, last year's secondary splurge is really costing a lot. We know about the team-high $17m hit ($23m dead) for Revis but how about Buster Skrine's $7.75m hit ($10.25m dead) or SS Marcus Gilchrist's $5.625m ($6.875m dead)? That's a quite a heavy load for any positional group. Sure, it's a solid unit that ranked #9 in team pass ranking (via FootballOutsiders.com). However, NE kept pace with a #13 ranking with players who cost must less:
- NYJ: #9 ranked by FO pass ratings / $37m spent
- CB: #1 most $ in league ($31.4m / 20.56% of team cap)
- SS: #11 most $ in league ($3.4m / 2.28% of team cap)
- FS: #21 most $ in league ($2.1m / 1.42% of team cap)
- NEP: #13 ranked by FO pass ratings / $13.6m spent
- CB: #32 most $ in league ($1.8m / 1.31% of team cap)
- SS: #9 most $ in league ($3.4m / 2.41% of team cap)
- FS: #4 most $ in league ($8.4m / 5.91% of team cap)
The press likes to put this as a Fitz vs. Jets FO battle of the will. In reality, Mac's hands are tied. He has very few avenues to make anything more than a $6m-$8m deal work, nevermind a $12m-$15m+ contract that Fitz will consider as a minimum. Very likely, one of Geno, Petty, or Hackenberg starts game 1.
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Veteran Jets teammates continuing to speak out over their desire to have Fitzpatrick back throwing the ball to them. </popcorn>
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15503459/eric-decker-new-york-jets-wide-receiver-says-was-surprised-team-drafted-qb-christian-hackenberg
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15503459/eric-decker-new-york-jets-wide-receiver-says-was-surprised-team-drafted-qb-christian-hackenberg
Eric Decker with a very Rexy Jetsy type quote:
"So Mr. Decker, if Tom Brady was not suspended, the division would not be up for grabs? Is that your position?"
The "believe in this team" thing is straight out of the Rex Ryan lexicon.
I know these comments are not a big deal, and I know there is more than one way to skin a cat. But reading this stuff makes me appreciate the Belichick Stepford Patriots even more. Just shut up and play.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2016/05/20/jets-player-fires-first-shot-this-year-rivalry-with-patriots/jtbSYDKi0TFh54tsiAMMOM/story.html
"So Mr. Decker, if Tom Brady was not suspended, the division would not be up for grabs? Is that your position?"
The "believe in this team" thing is straight out of the Rex Ryan lexicon.
I know these comments are not a big deal, and I know there is more than one way to skin a cat. But reading this stuff makes me appreciate the Belichick Stepford Patriots even more. Just shut up and play.
Meh. What do you expect him to say?
Hasn't there been a ton of hyperventilating here about how the suspension might cost the Patriots competitively? So when another guy says it, it's lolz?
Isn't "believe in this team" standard athlete-speak? Isn't it basically "don't let us win tonight," in a more banal package?
I get that you hate the Jets, and that they have a history of clown shoes. Still, nothing here rises to the level of mockery fodder. Also, despite some problems (Bowles' clock management sucks; Hackenberg was a head-scratcher), they are a better-run and more competitive team than they have been in years.
Hasn't there been a ton of hyperventilating here about how the suspension might cost the Patriots competitively? So when another guy says it, it's lolz?
Isn't "believe in this team" standard athlete-speak? Isn't it basically "don't let us win tonight," in a more banal package?
I get that you hate the Jets, and that they have a history of clown shoes. Still, nothing here rises to the level of mockery fodder. Also, despite some problems (Bowles' clock management sucks; Hackenberg was a head-scratcher), they are a better-run and more competitive team than they have been in years.
The "believe in the team" thing is, of course, benign in isolation. It just sounds so much like Rex with his constant "I believe in these guys" about the Jets and Bills that it struck me as kind of comical.
As to the Tom comment, the inference from Decker's quote is that the division is only up for grabs because Brady will miss four games.
Matt Chatham recently tweeted along similar lines, for what it's worth.
Yes, I hate the Jets. The MFYs are the only team in sports I hate more. Yes, they are better run than they have been in years. Yes, Hackenberg was an odd decision (and one Decker does not seem to like). But nothing about any of that has anything to do with my view of Decker's comments, which, as I noted above, are not that big of a deal. Just kind of Jetsy.
As to the Tom comment, the inference from Decker's quote is that the division is only up for grabs because Brady will miss four games.
Matt Chatham recently tweeted along similar lines, for what it's worth.
And Chris Price made the same point in his column on WEEI.com, again FWIW.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2016/05/22/sunday-nfl-notes-deflategate-or-not-whats-a-reasonable-statistical-expectation-for-tom-brady-in-2016/
Yes, I hate the Jets. The MFYs are the only team in sports I hate more. Yes, they are better run than they have been in years. Yes, Hackenberg was an odd decision (and one Decker does not seem to like). But nothing about any of that has anything to do with my view of Decker's comments, which, as I noted above, are not that big of a deal. Just kind of Jetsy.
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Not sure where the cap room is coming from, but the Daily News is reporting that Fitz will agree to a 1/$12M deal:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-qb-ryan-fitzpatrick-ready-1-year-deal-jets-article-1.2657865?utm_content=buffer63006&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter
I guess that means Bryce Petty is gone? That was a fine use of a 4th round pick.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-qb-ryan-fitzpatrick-ready-1-year-deal-jets-article-1.2657865?utm_content=buffer63006&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter
I guess that means Bryce Petty is gone? That was a fine use of a 4th round pick.
It's "only" OTAs right now so this isn't a huge issue yet, especially since Fitz is so familiar with Decker and Marshall. But at some point a lack of reps becomes problematic. If Fitz isn't signed by sometime during the preseason it has to affect their offense. My guess is he is going to hold out until sometime in September or October and bank on the offense sucking with Geno and forcing the Jets to pony up the $$. Would be interesting to see if that works out. It's not like Fitz needs the money, he has made plenty, and may feel that "only" $12M isn't worth the risk of playing again.
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