R3#34/#96 DT Vincent Valentine

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The Husker is deemed to be "scheme specific". 6-4 / 329 LBS. Some info from CBSS:

STRENGTHS: Strong upper body to jolt blockers off the ball. Does move well laterally for a 320+ pounder.
WEAKNESSES: Tends to fatigue and wear down, allowing blockers to keep him occupied if his initial move doesn't work. Not the most rangy interior player. Needs to be fresh to play at his peak and be the most effective.

IN OUR VIEW: While surprisingly athletic, himself, Valentine isn't as explosive off the ball as his teammate, Maliek Collins. He's stouter at the point of attack, however, showing the anchor to intrigue scouts operating for 3-4 and 4-3 defenses, alike.

Some interesting background stuff from SB's Nebraska page:

Valentine was the 13th best player out of the state of Illinois in the 2012 recruiting cycle, and the 37th best Defensive Tackle in the cycle as well. Before committing to the Huskers, Valentine had interest from Illinois and Florida, among other schools in his nearly 20 offers recorded. Former Nebraska DC John Papuchis was his main contact.

Valentine redshirted his Freshman year, and in his RS Fr. year played in all 13 games, starting in 6 of them. He would go on to start 24 of the 36 games he played in Lincoln, but he was nailed by injuries at times through his career as well.

Like his counterpart Collins, Valentine seemed to peak in the '14 season under Defensive Line coach Rich Kaczenski, and regress when Hank Hughes was hired. VV's big year was his RS Sophomore year, when he recorded 45 total tackles, 7 of those tackles for loss. He had 3 sacks in both his Sophomore and Junior years, but his tackle number regressed his Junior year.

Like Collins as well, Valentine seemed to struggle with Hughes and Defensive Coordinator Mark Banker's use of the DL in their scheme. Valentine was surprised that Hughes was replaced, and one wonders if he would still be in Lincoln had new DL coach John Parrella was installed before he declared.
 

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Jabal Sheard 6-3 250
Rob Ninikovich 6-2 260
Trey Flowers 6-2 265
Geneo Grisson 6-4 265
Chris Long 6-3 268
Rufus Johnson 6-3 280
Joe Vellano 6-2 300
Marcus Kuhn 6-4 303
Frank Kearse: 6-5 - 310
Malcom Brown 6-2 320
Vincent Valentine 6-3 329
Alan Branch 6-6 350
Terrance Knighton 6-3 354

3-3-5:
Brown - Knighton - Branch
Ninkovich - Collins - Hightower
Butler - Chung (box) - Harmon - McCourty - Ryan
SUB: Knighton->nickel corner

4-2-5:
Ninkovich - Brown - Branch - Sheard
Hightower - Collins
Butler - Harmon - Chung (box)- McCourty - Ryan
SUB: Long->nickel corner

I dunno how, or if you can play Long & Knighton in the same base defense but I'm sure they'll figure out how. I can't figure out Long fits in.

"3-4" depends a lot on whether you think Flowers and Grissom can play OLB.

Valentine seems like Brown insurance.
 

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Butler - Chung (box) - Harmon - McCourty - Ryan
SUB: Knighton->nickel corner
Interesting - you've got essentially a nickel base and a dime sub package and essentially no traditional base sets. I don't think is likely except in obvious passing situations - the strength of both McCourty and Harmon is that they can play single-high so it's a little redundant to have them both out there. It's also a bit weak against the run. I think most of the time Harmon was in, McCourty moved into the box to play robber or man coverage and Harmon played single high.

I think we'll see kind of their typical base v 21 or 12 personnel, nickel vs 11 personnel, and dime on 3rd-and-long or if they're up big and know the other team will throw. If they want to play more 3 S this year, Jordan Richards might be the beneficiary of that. We didn't see much last year to know what do expect there, obviously.

I dunno how, or if you can play Long & Knighton in the same base defense but I'm sure they'll figure out how. I can't figure out Long fits in.
Last year they kicked Sheard inside in passing situations and Belichick had some positive comments on that. I don't have a handle on how Sheard and Long are going to divide the snaps that went to Jones in 2015.

Valentine seems like Brown insurance.
Yeah, also known as "Siliga replacement."

4-3 base: Nink - Brown - Knighton / Branch - Sheard / Long || Hightower - Collins - Freeny / McClellin || Butler - Ryan || McCourty - Chung
3-4 base: Knighton - Brown - Branch || Nink - Hightower - Collins - Sheard / Long / McClellin || same DBs
4-2 sub: Nink - Brown - Knighton / Branch - Sheard / Long || Hightower - Collins || Butler - Ryan - Jones / Ryan / Coleman || McCourty - Chung
obvious passing: Nink - Brown / Knighton - Sheard - Long || Hightower - Collins || Butler - Ryan - Jones / Ryan / Coleman || McCourty - Harmon

No obvious roles for guys like Grissom, Flowers, Richards, and Darryl Roberts, but they'll either earn bigger roles or they won't.
 

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Has no motor in what I saw

(Greg29, do you disagree?)

Dislike the pick
Valentine played a lot better in 2014. Problem in 2015 was part injury (high ankle sprain) and part being overweight. The Sooners podcast described him as "not doing much for the team in 2015".

We'll see if he gets with the program, get in better shape, and be a decent rotational player. Caserio did say the team liked the size and the flexibility (assuming he can play both 5 and 3-tech).
 

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Not sure why his upper body strength is considered a plus. He managed only 17 reps at the combine, 2nd worst among all DL.

The average is in the mid 20s and Malcolm Brown did 26 reps last year for a comparison.

Seems like he will be a project for the strength and conditioning coach.
 

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Interesting - you've got essentially a nickel base and a dime sub package and essentially no traditional base sets.
Yeah, "base" is a 25-33% group, whereas nickel and dime packages are more frequently on the field. The groups you detailed above... they can do lots of stuff.

Coleman, Harmon, Richards, Roberts, Cyrus the Virus... they all figure to play more snaps than Freeny or Branch/Knighton/Long.
 

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Off the top of anyone's head, is there a greater degree of success (become starters) for players that excel in strength tests vs. players that excel in the agility drills?
 

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I have a vague recollection that the Pats emphasize agility, but I'm not sure where it comes from.

Re: Valentine, I might be easily swayed by highlight videos, but he seemed pretty powerful when he wanted to move forwards through the pocket, and surprisingly quick when he was moving laterally down the line. He might well need work to translate that into success in the NFL, but as several folks here have pointed out, there are a bunch of people ahead of him today - i he sees the field much in 2016, it will probably be because there's been a bunch of injuries on the DL