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And the Eagles have a dead cap hit of 11mm if they trade him too! So they aren't doing it because he's got his God damned panties in a bunch.

I fucking give up.

You signed a one year deal, basically, and you have been told you're the starter for this year, expecting the rookie to red shirt a season.

So...

What in the living hell is the problem. You God damned moron.

Gah! The best thing for everyone is to end up with a San Diego (Brees rivers) situation. Which didn't hurt Brees much! Or you can act like a moron who doesn't understand contracts or team work or how brains work.

I am still fully expecting Espinoza to be traded for some 3rd starter depth and I'm then going to swear off of sports for a while.

If I could go bitch slap his agent I'd buy a flight.
 

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I hope if he acts up/ holds out whatever the Eagles bench him. And threaten to bench him again next season. Break glass in case of emergency. Let him sit on his ass. You're screwed this year anyway, you have him as a pretty cheap back up next year ha ha ha.

Seriously though how is this his play? No one wanted him. I would have tagged him with transitional, let him look for a market. When he finds absolutely sod all and is desperate pull it and offer him blah deal take it leave it. If you were this interested in a qb in the draft especially. (or am I to believe that all scouting and planning was done after that deal was done? Which would be encouraging....)

How much worse can Daniel be, at least you see what he is?
 

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Isn't the role model here Kurt Warner? Or shouldn't it be? Warner was cool with it even though he lasted something like 5 games, and then went on to better things.
 

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Even if Bradford is a bit unhinged (or just stupid) shouldn't the majority of the blame fall on Howie Roseman? I mean, he's the architect here and he somehow ended up with a very expensive Yugo as a starting QB, except the Yugo is acting like, well, a Yugo and refusing to work.

What the fuck were the Eagles thinking giving Bradford all of that money including the bonus that makes him untradable because of the $11 million cap hit and then mortgaging the future to draft a QB this year?

Roseman is doing his damnedest to make Chip Kelly look like a prophet.
 

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I heard this on the radio earlier and verified it with Spotrac. Assuming he isn't cut, Sam Bradford will have made about $113 million by the end of next season. The two teams that have paid him this money both just traded up to the first and second picks to draft a quarterback.

The Rams at least picked up a couple draft picks for him, but that's a lot of wasted money.
 

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Wasn't it Michael Vick who was tagged a "coach killer" by Jim Mora? (Of course, this was before Mora and the rest of us realized that the tag might have top be altered.)

Bradford is a Franchise Killer.
 

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Even if Bradford is a bit unhinged (or just stupid) shouldn't the majority of the blame fall on Howie Roseman? I mean, he's the architect here and he somehow ended up with a very expensive Yugo as a starting QB, except the Yugo is acting like, well, a Yugo and refusing to work.

What the fuck were the Eagles thinking giving Bradford all of that money including the bonus that makes him untradable because of the $11 million cap hit and then mortgaging the future to draft a QB this year?

Roseman is doing his damnedest to make Chip Kelly look like a prophet.
Well I'm not going to criticize him for Bradford being a cry baby moron. They said openly weeks before he signed that they were drafting a qb, and everyone knew they were open to moving up even then. He signed that deal knowing that, and he's been named the starter anyway. I really don't know what his point is. He could have gone and been a free agent, except he couldn't get a better deal. I never understood why they didn't just tag him. But anyway whatever.

I think the praise roseman has got is a bit much. I dislike the trade, and I dislike the overall strategy and I don't understand if you're punting the season why you give up top picks for two more years so if your qb is good you can't draft top talent and if he's bad you're fucked.

Desperate for a qb, so desperate you might end up with 3 blah ones. Great.
 

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You can blame Roseman for BOTH Bradford and Daniel, and the trade up (if he indeed takes a QB). (I.E. LS's "3 blah ones")

The Eagles needed one veteran QB to protect the "new franchise QB" - so either Bradford (on the transition or franchise tag) OR Daniel (as Pederson's internal "knows the system" guy) would have been good management.

BOTH Bradford (on a contract more than the tag) and Daniel (on a contract that is... excessive for a guy with no track record) - is criticism worthy.

Time will tell if Roseman's belt/suspenders/tight pants approach to the QB position is wise or overkill. I tend to think it is overkill. Given the other roster moves, and the Eagles (read: Roseman's) general scorched earth approach to the Chip Kelly era, I think it is very fair to say Roseman should be under lots of scrutiny for how he's handled this offseason. But I thought Roseman was kind of a dummy before he went to war (and won) with Kelly.
 

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I think he's generally awful, his contact skills and cap are supposedly great but I see plenty of mistakes myself. I will say during the cluster fuck with Kelly last year it's hard to know who had final say. If it's "I want that guy" and roseman had to agree to just get it done as best he could, or frankly if he was submarineing Kelly or if he just had a rough year.
He's been bad. Just bad at the draft. I have no confidence whatsoever in his judgment. So totally great he's killed future drafts, a starting cb, a once star running back, a cheap once good linebacker and 2 picks this year to bet on his opinion of not one but two guys who just happen to be in this his most crucial draft ever. He gets the ones the RAMS don't.

Oh god

The Eagles are risking years of opportunity to draft the qb the rams don't want, in a year when the GM out of pure self interest has to do something big to justify his second chance.

What.... Could...... Go...... .... Wrong
 

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Is there not any possibility they traded up for Tunsil, not one of the QBs? That would make infinitely more sense than the "we'll just take the QB the Rams don't want" approach. That pick would solve the logjam at QB, such as it is, and address a position of need - insofar as rebuilding a franchise goes.

My knee-jerk reaction was the same as that of LondonSox but I can definitely see a justification for taking a cornerstone tackle at #2. Granted, that's a stupid price to pay for anything other than a franchise QB (and one could argue it's still stupid, considering the current crop of QBs), but it's another possible explanation.
 

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Is there not any possibility they traded up for Tunsil, not one of the QBs? That would make infinitely more sense than the "we'll just take the QB the Rams don't want" approach. That pick would solve the logjam at QB, such as it is, and address a position of need - insofar as rebuilding a franchise goes.

My knee-jerk reaction was the same as that of LondonSox but I can definitely see a justification for taking a cornerstone tackle at #2. Granted, that's a stupid price to pay for anything other than a franchise QB (and one could argue it's still stupid, considering the current crop of QBs), but it's another possible explanation.
Interesting. This would presume that they know Peters is at the end of the line. The cap hits, either this year or next, aren't terrible if he's cut. Alternatively, if they know Johnson has a drug problem and is likely to end up suspended...?

I haven't seen any "smoke" on Tunsil to Philly and Roseman hasn't exactly shown himself to be the type of guy who can resist leaking to the press. But I suppose it is possible.

I'd be impressed if Philly traded up and then took Ramsey, who's the best actual player in this draft and would solve some problems for them. However, I also doubt that's going to happen for a myriad of reasons. And a Ramsey pick would get batteries thrown at it by the Philadelphia Phaithful.
 

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They've said it's for a QB, and that they are happy with either. It would be a major shock if it wasn't.
Yeah, but in one breath you say you have no faith in the front office and in the next you take them at their word? They may very well take a QB but I'd be careful to dismiss the possibility of them taking someone else simply because they said they want a QB.
 

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Yeah, but in one breath you say you have no faith in the front office and in the next you take them at their word? They may very well take a QB but I'd be careful to dismiss the possibility of them taking someone else simply because they said they want a QB.
They're insane if they don't take a QB. It's awful PR and it's awful football because-at least in the absence of some total bad ass pass rusher--there's no position other than QB where you can recoup the value you gave up to draft that high.
 

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They're insane if they don't take a QB. It's awful PR and it's awful football because-at least in the absence of some total bad ass pass rusher--there's no position other than QB where you can recoup the value you gave up to draft that high.
I don't know why you see the need to call me out, when I addressed the insanity of paying that price for anything other than a franchise QB (go ahead and re-read my original post). But seeing as that particular player - if he exists in this draft - is likely not named Goff or Wentz, I felt it might be prudent to suggest another alternative.

It's pure insanity, no matter how you slice it, and I don't fault LondonSox for freaking out. I would have blown up the Cowboys thread had they done something stupid like this.
 

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I can no longer find the link but on my way in to work this morning (on my phone) I saw a post (I thought on PFT) that other teams suspected the Eagles and Rams of collusion. The suggestion was that the Rams told the Eagles who they were planning to draft with the first pick prior to the Eagles trading for the second pick.
 

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Yeah they basically said that at the time of the trade. The Eagles had to be comfortable with either qb but it seems clear everyone knew who the rams were taking.

In other news tunsil would have been there at 13!!!! The guy bosoxen suggested as an alternative trade target, was there at 13.
So tunsil, maxwell, Alonso, all the picks... Or Wentz. I don't know how good Wentz is but I'd take the first option.
Though how tunsil was the third tackle taken. Don't get.
 

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Turns out the guy is a Grade A fucking bonehead. Did you hear all that fuss about the player who posted a picture of himself hitting a bong? Yeah, that was him. And he appears to have admitted to having taken money from one of his coaches at Ole Miss. Knowing that, I'm surprised he went in the first round at all.
 

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Turns out the guy is a Grade A fucking bonehead. Did you hear all that fuss about the player who posted a picture of himself hitting a bong? Yeah, that was him. And he appears to have admitted to having taken money from one of his coaches at Ole Miss. Knowing that, I'm surprised he went in the first round at all.
First of all, he didn't post it himself - obviously. So a college kid smoked weed - who fucking cares? The worst part of the video is that he allowed it to be filmed at all. The fact that he took a righteous bong rip sometime over the past year or two means jack shit. As for taking money from coaches, again - who fucking cares? This kind of reaction to the Tunsil stuff is childish. He tested clean at the combine, but let's give up on a talented kid because he smoked weed in college. OK.
 

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Turns out the guy is a Grade A fucking bonehead. Did you hear all that fuss about the player who posted a picture of himself hitting a bong? Yeah, that was him. And he appears to have admitted to having taken money from one of his coaches at Ole Miss. Knowing that, I'm surprised he went in the first round at all.
If anyone knows grade a boneheads it is the guy who roots for a team run by noted football genius jerry jones.
 

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This is the Eagles taking the ball and going home while simultaneously dropping bird shit on your head.
 

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First of all, he didn't post it himself - obviously. So a college kid smoked weed - who fucking cares? The worst part of the video is that he allowed it to be filmed at all. The fact that he took a righteous bong rip sometime over the past year or two means jack shit. As for taking money from coaches, again - who fucking cares? This kind of reaction to the Tunsil stuff is childish. He tested clean at the combine, but let's give up on a talented kid because he smoked weed in college. OK.
I really couldn't care less about your righteous indignation over the rules. Like them or not, they must be followed. Smoking pot and taking money from a college coach are both violations and show a careless nature which could result in other issues.

If you're happy with your team taking a risk on a player who could run afoul with league rules, more power to you. But as @soxfan121 would like to remind me any chance he gets, I've had more than my fill of risky players. Not that I give a shit in this particular situation - I would have laughed myself to death had the Eagles picked Tunsil - but I was responding to LondonSox why I thought he dropped from a surefire top 5 pick to the middle of the first round.
 

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I really couldn't care less about your righteous indignation over the rules. Like them or not, they must be followed. Smoking pot and taking money from a college coach are both violations and show a careless nature which could result in other issues.

If you're happy with your team taking a risk on a player who could run afoul with league rules, more power to you. But as @soxfan121 would like to remind me any chance he gets, I've had more than my fill of risky players. Not that I give a shit in this particular situation - I would have laughed myself to death had the Eagles picked Tunsil - but I was responding to LondonSox why I thought he dropped from a surefire top 5 pick to the middle of the first round.
For an NFL team, this is silly, narrow thinking. Taking money from coaches has ZERO impact on his status or ability as an NFL player. None at all. I'm not even going to reference that again, because it's utterly irrelevant. As for the weed, this has nothing to do with what's against the rules or what the law should be or anything like that. It's much simpler: does the fact that Laremy Tunsil smoked weed as a college student truly affect your evaluation of him as an NFL prospect? If so, fair enough, but I think you're kind of an idiot because every single kid drafted last night has smoked weed over the last few years. All of them. But yeah, let's shit all over this kid and shake our heads at the Dolphins for drafting him.
 

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For an NFL team, this is silly, narrow thinking. Taking money from coaches has ZERO impact on his status or ability as an NFL player. None at all. I'm not even going to reference that again, because it's utterly irrelevant. As for the weed, this has nothing to do with what's against the rules or what the law should be or anything like that. It's much simpler: does the fact that Laremy Tunsil smoked weed as a college student truly affect your evaluation of him as an NFL prospect? If so, fair enough, but I think you're kind of an idiot because every single kid drafted last night has smoked weed over the last few years. All of them. But yeah, let's shit all over this kid and shake our heads at the Dolphins for drafting him.
Look, fuck stick, I really couldn't give a rat's ass that the kid smoked weed. I think the rule is stupid and I favor legalization. Whatever your personal opinion about the rule - on which we unfortunately agree - it's there and it must be followed. You violate it at your own risk. Your tiny brain may or may not grasp the concept that the team shares in that risk, but it does. You need to look no further than guys like Josh Gordon to see how being unable to stay away from weed can affect the franchise. Because they view these players as investments, it's understandable that some teams might shy away from a guy who has shown a propensity for not following the rules - regardless of the voracity of his past offenses or how stupid the rules which he violated are.

Go ahead and get the last word in if you like. I'm done with derailing this thread.
 

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But as @soxfan121 would like to remind me any chance he gets, I've had more than my fill of risky players.
Clarification: I enjoy reminding you that you root for a team run by a noted football genius. And I love making fun of that football genius.

Hugs and kisses, my friend.
 

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I wonder whether some NFL prospects smoke weed to help them eat all the food necessary to bulk up. I've heard of lifters doing that.
 

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First of all, he didn't post it himself - obviously. So a college kid smoked weed - who fucking cares? The worst part of the video is that he allowed it to be filmed at all. The fact that he took a righteous bong rip sometime over the past year or two means jack shit. As for taking money from coaches, again - who fucking cares? This kind of reaction to the Tunsil stuff is childish. He tested clean at the combine, but let's give up on a talented kid because he smoked weed in college. OK.
What's ridiculous about it is that it seems that (based on a lot of reporting, particularly about the Giants and Ravens) is that the video apparently changed some teams' thinking on the guy. It was already out there that he smoked dope and took inapporpriate benefits, so why change your mind when you find more evidence that he smoked dope and took inappropriate benefits, especially since you've presumably talked to him and his priest and his coach and made a decision on character based on a lot of context.

I wonder whether some NFL prospects smoke weed to help them eat all the food necessary to bulk up. I've heard of lifters doing that.
I haven't heard of that with football players but I have heard people are willing to look the other way on substance usage because the game is so physically tough. If you think you need weed or painkillers or alcohol during the week to be able to get out there on the weekends, let her rip.
 

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What's ridiculous about it is that it seems that (based on a lot of reporting, particularly about the Giants and Ravens) is that the video apparently changed some teams' thinking on the guy. It was already out there that he smoked dope and took inapporpriate benefits, so why change your mind when you find more evidence that he smoked dope and took inappropriate benefits, especially since you've presumably talked to him and his priest and his coach and made a decision on character based on a lot of context.
This is the RAVENS we're talking about.

They had NO PROBLEM with Ray Rice until there was video. Then, they couldn't cut him fast enough.

It is entirely believable to me that the video "changed their thinking".
 

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What's ridiculous about it is that it seems that (based on a lot of reporting, particularly about the Giants and Ravens) is that the video apparently changed some teams' thinking on the guy.
Not the Ravens. "The Ravens don't believe this was even a close call. According to a team source, Baltimore had Stanley ranked among its top four best players, and Tunsil was among the top 15 on its board." http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/27315/character-made-choosing-ronnie-stanley-over-laremy-tunsil-an-easy-call-for-ravens
 

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Not the Ravens. "The Ravens don't believe this was even a close call. According to a team source, Baltimore had Stanley ranked among its top four best players, and Tunsil was among the top 15 on its board." http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/27315/character-made-choosing-ronnie-stanley-over-laremy-tunsil-an-easy-call-for-ravens
There were a bunch of tweets yesterday (I'm looking for them) by Lacanfora among others saying it was a close call internally but they pulled Tunsil off the board right away. Who knows the truth but magically every team always say they got their top rated player and were shocked to find him available.

EDIT: And now Schefter reports that the Ravens would have taken Tunsil until they saw the video. Harbaugh also refused to say who was higher rated on their draft board, Stanley or Tunsil


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15433848/social-media-video-kept-baltimore-ravens-drafting-laremy-tunsil-sixth-overall-pick
 
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I'm not sure if roseman's first objective is to draft well or troll Kelly.

1) trades up to 2 and takes franchise qb, exactly like Mariota plan.
2) drafts several oline players, huge criticism of Kelly not doing this.

This is fine so far these are things that were needed, a franchise qb, oline depth.

3) started goes heavy on character issues guys, guys Kelly purged from the team and wouldn't draft or sign.
4) drafted short corner a big no no for Kelly.
5) started drafting Oregon players late.

I mean he basically did everything Kelly got criticism for and the started taking Oregon guys as like a final screw you.

Are we sure this whole off season wasnt just a big fuck you?

Traded nearly everyone Kelly acquired as a headline deal, Murray maxwell Alonso Thurman also gone. Bradford has asked for a trade. Reversed course on the off field and character issue guys. Changed back to a 4-3 after years of retooling to 3-4 defensively. Even went after some short secondary players which was a big no no for Kelly.

It's a little much to be random.
 

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Oh yeah totally. Anytime ego and politics can influence your decision process you got to do it.

The good news it works out or roseman is finally out of my life. So I guess that's a win win. At least if it is a disaster then by the time we have a first and second round pick again we might have a competent GM.
 

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Oh yeah totally. Anytime ego and politics can influence your decision process you got to do it.

The good news it works out or roseman is finally out of my life. So I guess that's a win win. At least if it is a disaster then by the time we have a first and second round pick again we might have a competent GM.
First off, it is great to read your stuff again man. I think you and I had the same initial reaction to the move up, but I am less down on it than I was a few months ago, and here is why:

1) Wentz is not as risky as folks think. Right wrong or indifferent he was projected to be a top 10 pick at QB from about the middle of the season on through. After the Senior Bowl he never left the top 5 of anyone who had half a brain's mocks, and it would appear from the incredibly limited information out there that he was a top 10 on pretty much every team's board. So what? Well.....QBs picked in the top 10 have an over 70% chance of being a multi-year Pro Bowl selection. "But Rick Burlesons Yam Bag, he played at a school smaller than one of your poops, and the act of being selected doesn't MAKE him a multi-year Pro Bowl Selection" you may say. And you would be right. I literally took a deuce that was bigger than NDSU after a rough night of burritos and beer about a month and a half ago. Also, he was not a 4 year starter, which is not a great sign. However, he was a straight A student with no off-field incidents and he was on a team that won the national championship for 4 straight years. This is a lot different from other QB situations where guys fly up the board based on 2-3 games, or a great workout. While injury is always a dice roll, the various stats (I have only cited the top 10 draft and games started, but there are lots of completion % stats et al on the various Eagle nerd sites) seem to indicate that he is more likely to succeed the way we need him to (top 10 QB for 3-5 seasons) than not. Goff is even less likely to fail.

2) First round QBs are insanely valuable. Duh, right? Not only have the passing rules changed so that farting in a receiver's general direction is a 73 yard penalty, but with the salary slotting in place, and with the 5th year option a legit thing, first round QBs are basically the best value in the market if they work out reasonably well.

3) The Eagles crapped on themselves - and it may have worked! In a vacuum, the Bradford and Daniels deals look terrible. However, if you look at them with the lens of "developing Wentz" they begin to make sense. Bradford is an absolute injury risk who can't be trusted to stay on the field for 16 games, so his deal is basically a one and done with Daniel backing him up. Wentz is almost certainly on the McNabb plan, which means that he won't sniff the field until after Thanksgiving, they needed to have two decent starter-capable guys in front of Wentz. If Bradford has a halfway decent season, the Eagles can trade him for a draft pick, there will be the same number of teams desperate for a starting QB next offseason as there was this season.

Let's see. They have to play actual football at some point and to your point, if Wentz gets his knee blown up in his first start then the Eagles are in the toilet for a good few years. But in the grand scheme this deal is better than drafting Danny Watkins, and I am kind of interested to see how Pederson, Schwartz and Reich put this all together.
 

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First off, it is great to read your stuff again man. I think you and I had the same initial reaction to the move up, but I am less down on it than I was a few months ago, and here is why:

1) Wentz is not as risky as folks think. Right wrong or indifferent he was projected to be a top 10 pick at QB from about the middle of the season on through. After the Senior Bowl he never left the top 5 of anyone who had half a brain's mocks, and it would appear from the incredibly limited information out there that he was a top 10 on pretty much every team's board. So what? Well.....QBs picked in the top 10 have an over 70% chance of being a multi-year Pro Bowl selection. "But Rick Burlesons Yam Bag, he played at a school smaller than one of your poops, and the act of being selected doesn't MAKE him a multi-year Pro Bowl Selection" you may say. And you would be right. I literally took a deuce that was bigger than NDSU after a rough night of burritos and beer about a month and a half ago. Also, he was not a 4 year starter, which is not a great sign. However, he was a straight A student with no off-field incidents and he was on a team that won the national championship for 4 straight years. This is a lot different from other QB situations where guys fly up the board based on 2-3 games, or a great workout. While injury is always a dice roll, the various stats (I have only cited the top 10 draft and games started, but there are lots of completion % stats et al on the various Eagle nerd sites) seem to indicate that he is more likely to succeed the way we need him to (top 10 QB for 3-5 seasons) than not. Goff is even less likely to fail.

2) First round QBs are insanely valuable. Duh, right? Not only have the passing rules changed so that farting in a receiver's general direction is a 73 yard penalty, but with the salary slotting in place, and with the 5th year option a legit thing, first round QBs are basically the best value in the market if they work out reasonably well.

3) The Eagles crapped on themselves - and it may have worked! In a vacuum, the Bradford and Daniels deals look terrible. However, if you look at them with the lens of "developing Wentz" they begin to make sense. Bradford is an absolute injury risk who can't be trusted to stay on the field for 16 games, so his deal is basically a one and done with Daniel backing him up. Wentz is almost certainly on the McNabb plan, which means that he won't sniff the field until after Thanksgiving, they needed to have two decent starter-capable guys in front of Wentz. If Bradford has a halfway decent season, the Eagles can trade him for a draft pick, there will be the same number of teams desperate for a starting QB next offseason as there was this season.

Let's see. They have to play actual football at some point and to your point, if Wentz gets his knee blown up in his first start then the Eagles are in the toilet for a good few years. But in the grand scheme this deal is better than drafting Danny Watkins, and I am kind of interested to see how Pederson, Schwartz and Reich put this all together.
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WELCOME BACK YAMMER!! I'll start venting again now I have someone to share it with.

I've read a lot on Wentz, and I get it more now. I am far from sold on Roseman, but he's done some smart moves this offseason, so let's see. I hope to god wentz works out. I'm in love with the safety combo. That duo is sick.

I worry about linebacker depth a lot, and there are a lot of ok but no star corner's (though we'll see there are talented players) the D could be really good.
 

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Thank you both, it is nice to see you guys too!

I couldn't agree more on how thin we are at CB. We play in a division with above average QBs and 1-2 guys who can go for 150 yds receiving on each team and I honestly don't think that we have someone who can cover them effectively. I hope that Schwartz can conjur up some voodoo, because McKelvin, Rowe, Carrol et al sure as hell aren't going to remind anyone of a decent CB corps.

I am less concerned about LB only because I am optimistic on Hicks coming back strong, and I think that Kendricks will thrive in the 4-3. We'll see though, Hicks could be the next Stewart Bradley and Kendricks may have slammed into his ceiling. I hope not.

I worry a lot about our O-line. I liked the guys we picked, but Tra Thomas is not walking through that door. Chip killed us on the O-line front and now we have an aging Jason Peters, a Barbre-Wisneiwski pu-pu platter of mediocrity, Kelce, who has played poorly since signing his mega contract, a great pickup in Brooks (he is my replacement for Evan Mathis. I spent the last year wiping my tears and 69'ing as often as possible in honor of Evan. Great GM'ing Chip, you asshole) and then Lane Johnson, who is good not great IMO.

Of course, with that said, we do have Eugene Chung as our assistant OL coach under Stoutland. So my concerns are almost certainly unfounded.
 

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I actually don't hate the line, I like Johnson, and think Brooks was a great signing, I think Kelce hasn't been 100% healthy and significantly hampered by playing next to two horrible guards most of the year. That's a hard place for an undersized centre to be. Peters and that dumb contract extension are a problem. But if he can stay healthy I think he's ok for another year plus. The LG is a mess but you need one not awful guy to step up, and I like the late round picks, someone could step up. But you know Kelce should be able to focus on helping the LG instead of both LG and RG. Considering giving up so much to move up for Wentz (and that Tunsil dropped all the way hurts!) they did a good job getting some depth and youth for the line.
I worry more than Hicks is injury prone, Kendricks I think should be fine and Bradham is eh, and thre's no depth unless Barwin or someone can help out.

I like Rowe, but he's young, so a big question. If Carroll's healthy after injury I thought he did well alst year and MCkelvin was good for the Bills and was a talented 1st round pick once. I don't think they're bad, but it's very unproven, they should be helped by some serious range at Safety, and I think Mills could be a steal and I was impressed by Sheperd last camp, that's a good battle for slot I suspect.

The hidden concern for me is RB, one always hurt RB, one aging and small RB and.... Barner who knows and a rookie who knows. The WR are far from a sure thing too. I think the offence is going to be a long way behind the D.
 

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag

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You may be right about Kelce, and I am also open to the opinion that the line was hurt by the up-tempo but predictable play calling that Chip employed. You nail it on the guards, that was horrible to watch, particularly while knowing that we had screwed up the Mathis contract (as did he, but still.) I think the whole hypothetical "If they knew they could have gotten Tunsil at 8 would they have ever moved up" question is fun to consider. While I fully agree with those upthread who were goofing on teams for dropping a player for smoking pot, I will admit that the follow up, where he had some magical food poisoning at his opening presser made me worry about the guys stability.

Your points on the LBs are all valid. I like the Bradham signing in that knows the defense and he is in his prime, but on the flip, he is injury prone and Hicks is very injury prone. I could see us having problems in the LB corps if we don't get lucky here and there. To your point, Barwin can play back there as we are stacked with DEs, but I'd rather see him chasing the QB.

There is not one CB on our team who I think can cover the number one pass catcher on any team we play this season. I really think we are in a tough spot at corner. The rumors from my insiders (caveat as a reminder....I know a guy who is very close with a beat reporter for the Eagles and another guy who is very close to one of those team employees who is around the team every day. This adds almost no value or insight as 99% of information ends up getting tweeted out these days, and the employee spends more time putting out misdirection than fact, but I like to tell people I have insiders because it makes me sound cool) are that they are going to put Mills in as a corner until he absolutely proves he can't do it. I guess from OTAs that he was primarily at corner, so maybe there is some fact to this. Of course, this means that I am rooting for a guy who beats up women so.......hooray?
 

LondonSox

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I know. Though the Mills case seems a bit weird, I have promised myself to give the benefit of the doubt to the woman, because most don't. The one think I did admire about Kelly was his zero tolerance for that sort of stuff.

Anyway, I think Rowe can be good, but probably too soon. But yeah you have to hope the good looking D-line and Schwartz track record means the CB are exposed as little as possible. But having average (not bad) and depth at CB isn't the worst thing ever to be the worst area of a defence. I think they can be really good.

I worry far more about the skill players on offence. The WR is Matthews and erm... Yeah. Lots of ? and RB, stop me if you heard this, is Matthews (injury prone and then some) and Sproles (ageing and small workload seems likely limited) and ?
TE I didn't love the Celek deal, Ertz has to be a focus point of the O imo.
 

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Given that cheerleaders has depended on Eagles players coming in for the last gajillion years, I am a bit skeptical that this woman would have made this up. I am sure she is facing a lot of bullshit from alot of people. Let's see what happens when the facts come out, but I hope the truth surfaces quickly.