Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

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We’ll also see how analytics continue to affect the game. Opponents feel the numbers have made the game stiff with silly defensive shifts that take away the effectiveness of some of the biggest sluggers in the game.
No batter in baseball had shifts employed against him more times than David Ortiz, with 626. Chris Davis was next with 517. Last season, Ortiz had only 21 singles that were pulled, down from 33 in 2013 and 29 in 2014.
There will be discussions about limiting the movement of infielders. As one opponent of the shifting pointed out, “The analytics are going to be a wash after a while because it’s getting to the point where all teams have the same information.”
 

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Surprised Nick didn't mention his old buddy Tom Donahoe being chosen to run the football side of the Eagles.
 

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Is the analytics vs traditional scouting debate still a thing?

Cafardo reminds me of one of those Japanese soldiers stuck on an island who still thinks World War II is raging on. Give it up gaijin, the war is over. Your side lost.
 

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What I particularly loved was that in his intro he throws in a mention about keeping teams from scoring, than belittles the effectiveness of shifts ... which keep teams from scoring
 

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This part is especially Cafardumb:
“The analytics are going to be a wash after a while because it’s getting to the point where all teams have the same information.”
It's like saying "all games will be played to infinity extra innings because all teams have access to the same players."
"Oh well, everyone employs college graduates and uses computers and math."
 

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He's not belittling the effectiveness of shifts, he's calling for their banning. He's Lear, bereft of his senses, howling fruitlessly at the wind.
Would he be in favor of banning bunting? Because bunting is the offense's version of the shift. Then we wouldn't have defensive players having to play down the line, they could stay in their little zones to make Nick happy. Make the whole area in front of home plate foul ground, the ball has to at least pass the plane of the front of the mound. Bunting is boring.

But that kind of change threatens the sanctity of the game I'm sure.
 

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I saw Cafardo on TV last night and he seems like a nice, reasonable guy when he's interviewed. He says a couple of things in a very nice, measured, placid tone and he's not completely offensive to the eyes like Mitch Albom is and I thought to myself, "I can see why people like him and listen to him." Heck, I think that if I met and spoke with Cafardo, I'd like him.

But his TV personality seems to be a complete 180 from his writing style. He writes with arrogance and contempt of anything even remotely considered new or semi-intellectual. I don't know. Maybe he has a dual personality, which would be awesome. I think that's how I'm going to read his columns (assuming that I ever get the Sunday paper delivered to me again).
 

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I saw Cafardo on TV last night and he seems like a nice, reasonable guy when he's interviewed. He says a couple of things in a very nice, measured, placid tone and he's not completely offensive to the eyes like Mitch Albom is and I thought to myself, "I can see why people like him and listen to him." Heck, I think that if I met and spoke with Cafardo, I'd like him.

But his TV personality seems to be a complete 180 from his writing style. He writes with arrogance and contempt of anything even remotely considered new or semi-intellectual. I don't know. Maybe he has a dual personality, which would be awesome. I think that's how I'm going to read his columns (assuming that I ever get the Sunday paper delivered to me again).
"But Mother, shifts are new and modern ways to play defense."


 

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Shank doesn't have the Shank personna on the radio, either. Unlike Borges who I want to throttle.
 

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Evaluating which teams "won the winter" is a waste of time ... so let's spend a few thousand words deciding who won the winter
 

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7. Saddened to hear of the passing of former Providence mayor Buddy Cianci, a big fan of this column.
 

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7. Saddened to hear of the passing of former Providence mayor Buddy Cianci, a big fan of this column.
Was just coming here to note that. I usually think of Nicky as a "lazy, stubborn, dim witted buffoon." I now have to insert "self-absorbed, wildly inappropriate" to the descriptor.
 

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Why on Earth would Theo Epstein,upon taking over the Sox, study the development model of the Cleveland Indians, who had just come off a run of development that included Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome and a gazillion others.
 

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Why on Earth would Theo Epstein,upon taking over the Sox, study the development model of the Cleveland Indians, who had just come off a run of development that included Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome and a gazillion others.
Not sure what you're getting at here, because it seems like you know exactly why they would have done this, but this information is presented as something Theo told Cafardo on the record and Nick doesn't express any skepticism over it.
 

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Not sure what you're getting at here, because it seems like you know exactly why they would have done this, but this information is presented as something Theo told Cafardo on the record and Nick doesn't express any skepticism over it.
Faulty sarcasm meter there, Danny.
 

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Not sure what you're getting at here, because it seems like you know exactly why they would have done this, but this information is presented as something Theo told Cafardo on the record and Nick doesn't express any skepticism over it.
I should have included the particular stupidity I was referring to, rather than make people wonder what I was talking about or, even worse, making them mine the column for it themselves.

Anyway, it was directed at Cafardo's bewilderment at Theo's consideration of anything done by a team that "hasn't won."
Theo Epstein said one of the first major things he did when he took over the Red Sox was copy the Indians’ development philosophy. It was interesting to hear, but if the philosophy was so good, why haven’t the Indians won?
 

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Damn. He is either the biggest troll or the biggest moron to write something like that.

John Hart used that development system to build the only 1000 run offense in the last 60+ years, win 6 out of 7 division titles, take two pennants, and lose two of the closest world series in history. Now if you want to say his attempts to use his development system as trade chips didn't work so well, or that he had some problems acquiring a number one starter, that's fine. But as a model for player development, it's tough to do better.
 

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You know he uses/used the same reasoning when talking about Billy Beane and Moneyball. Or Branch Rickey and integration, "If the Dodgers 'progressive' philosophy is so good, why did they win only one World Series in the 1950s?"

Of course you can do the opposite and say, "The Marlins won in 1997 with a radical philosophy. Why don't more teams do it like them?"

I'm not saying Cafardo is a racist, this is for humor, but you can look at any "philosophy" and play this game.
 

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Have to remember to toss "Dodgers only winning once after breaking the color line" in with his contempt for the non-winning Indians and A's and questioning whether the "Marlins' Way" is the "right way" into the next Mailing-it-in-With Nick's Mailbag.
 

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Let me know how it goes, Joe. I can't ask him about this on Twitter, I've been blocked. :(

And honestly, I have no idea why. I've never tweeted anything to him. Ever.
 

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I should have included the particular stupidity I was referring to, rather than make people wonder what I was talking about or, even worse, making them mine the column for it themselves.

Anyway, it was directed at Cafardo's bewilderment at Theo's consideration of anything done by a team that "hasn't won."
I think on first reading I didn't think Nick was being especially critical, but now that I look again, he was being dismissive of Cleveland. So, my fault.
 

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This Sunday, Nick gives readers a preview of all his column topics this season
 

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I was confused why those storylines were in quotes. I wondered who specifically told Nick these things, but then I realized Cafardo is insane and he probably was having a conversation with himself.

BTW, I love the mental gymnastic routine he did with Butterfield and Ramirez. That's classic Nick right there. "Butterfield is a complete bullshitter, but it's okay because optimistic!"
 

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Nick points this out:

If the Red Sox can flip Price’s 2-7 postseason record, there could be another banner hoisted at Fenway Park in 2016.
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And now he has to oppose the Blue Jays rather than reap the benefits of that lineup as he did when he compiled a 9-1 record and 2.30 ERA in 11 starts last season after being acquired from Detroit.
But once the postseason started, Price wasn’t the same. He allowed five runs over seven innings against Texas in his only ALDS start. He allowed five runs in 6⅔ innings against Kansas City in an ALCS start.

Yet, as Nick often reminds us, only pitchers who pitch 200 innings are worth big money. Maybe if Price pitched 190 instead of 220, he'd have fared better in October.
 

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Did Nick actually watch those games? Price got really awful relief help a couple of times and was left out there far too long another time. He was shoving it up KC's ass quite effectively until the 7th inning of that game, and the hook was glacially slow.

Context matters.
 

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It will be Feb. 14, and we all know what that means! It's time for .... RANK THE MANAGERS!!!
 

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4. Chris Lee, LHP, Orioles — Lee will be one of the must-see pitchers in Orioles camp. Dan Duquette got him from Houston in exchange for two international signing bonus slots. Lee, 23, throws 97 m.p.h. with a “plus” changeup and slider. His mannerisms remind scouts of David Price.
I mean, holy shit. Could you have picked a more random-ass prospect to drool over? A future LOOGY at best, with no command. He's oo zero prospect lists, and absolutely not a "must see" in any regards.

FG did a short write-up on him last year and had this to say about his "plus" change-up.

Lee also shows an 84-86 mph changeup with good sink and arm speed, though suboptimal velocity separation.
 

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I'm still trying to grasp why Lee's Price-like mannerisms matter. As a kid, I had Bird's sneaker rubbing thing down to a T. And then the game started.
 

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Dan Duquette, who has shown that he really values veteran advisers who have seen it all.
might as well have added: "... unlike another team we know that tried to build a post-championship team using analytics."

He's so freaking annoying.

I sense that whichever team gets Justin Morneau as a late-camp signing is going to be happy it did.
Morneau must've made himself available for an interview a time or two. Morneau = Jason Bay
 

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"The Yankees decided that a good deal was a good deal."

I wonder if Nick would have written this had the Sox traded for Chapman? Any time you can get a wife beater for four fringe prospects, it's just great business sense to do that.

Chalk up another win for the Yankees!
 

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"The Yankees decided that a good deal was a good deal."

I wonder if Nick would have written this had the Sox traded for Chapman? Any time you can get a wife beater for four fringe prospects, it's just great business sense to do that.

Chalk up another win for the Yankees!
I suspect that with no charges against Chapman, that his problems with MLB will blow over pretty quickly. I don't see Yankees fans giving much of a shit about the allegations or his presence doing anything adverse to their revenues.

And I see having three flame throwers in their pen making leads after 6 innings pretty safe. Put it this way: I would prefer that he not have joined Miller and Betances.

As to the Sox, I would have trouble rooting for Champman, the man, but I can't claim that I would not have liked to have him in Boston next season, alongside Kimbrell, Koji and Tazawa. Nick would have written something stupid about this, of course.
 

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"The Yankees decided that a good deal was a good deal."

I wonder if Nick would have written this had the Sox traded for Chapman?
"The Red Sox picked up Chapman, showing that even with new management they continue to place more emphasis on statistics and numbers on a spreadsheet, than the morals and character that a team like the Yankees have always held as a core component which is one of the reasons they passed on Chapman despite the reasonable price."
 

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I suspect that with no charges against Chapman, that his problems with MLB will blow over pretty quickly. I don't see Yankees fans giving much of a shit about the allegations or his presence doing anything adverse to their revenues.

And I see having three flame throwers in their pen making leads after 6 innings pretty safe. Put it this way: I would prefer that he not have joined Miller and Betances.

As to the Sox, I would have trouble rooting for Champman, the man, but I can't claim that I would not have liked to have him in Boston next season, alongside Kimbrell, Koji and Tazawa. Nick would have written something stupid about this, of course.
I heard callers to Michael Kay show saying they don't want to root for the Yankees anymore because of the acquisition of Chapmann.
 

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I heard callers to Michael Kay show saying they don't want to root for the Yankees anymore because of the acquisition of Chapmann.
I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, yeah, a very small percentage of fans falling away is believable, but anything more than that really isn't to me. We shall see. Do we take converts?

I heard a lot of Yankees fans react similarly to A-Rod's re-emergence last year...and had the sense that A-Rod's performance last year took care of a lot of those reactions.
 

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ARod didn't beat the shit out of his girlfriend and fire eight bullets into his garage door.
True. Chapman is more despicable than Purple Lips.

But if Chapman performs well for the Yankees, MFYFs will turn a blind eye to the allegations in the same way that they turn a blind eye to A-Rod's serial cheating and other general douche-baggery. For a select few, principle will win out. But that number will be very low. And it will not affect the Yankees' bottom line in any meaningful way.

Not that Sox fans would behave differently.
 

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Not that Sox fans would behave differently.
I'm not so sure about that. Sox fans practically ran Wil Cordero out of town when he smacked his wife around with a telephone. But I agree that there probably would be a fair number of Sox fans looking the other way of Chapman was a strikeout machine.

However, the point of pointing out what Cafardo wrote isn't the hypocrisy of the fan base (that's a given) but how easily Cafardo bends and does his Yankee yoga while if the Sox (or really, any other team did this) he'd be ranting and raving about it. It's pretty disgusting.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. Sox fans practically ran Wil Cordero out of town when he smacked his wife around with a telephone. But I agree that there probably would be a fair number of Sox fans looking the other way of Chapman was a strikeout machine.

However, the point of pointing out what Cafardo wrote isn't the hypocrisy of the fan base (that's a given) but how easily Cafardo bends and does his Yankee yoga while if the Sox (or really, any other team did this) he'd be ranting and raving about it. It's pretty disgusting.
Give the guy a break. He's saving his finite units of moral outrage for the things that matter -- Sandoval's weight and Ramirez's lack of fealty to "doing things the right way."
 

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However, the point of pointing out what Cafardo wrote isn't the hypocrisy of the fan base (that's a given) but how easily Cafardo bends and does his Yankee yoga while if the Sox (or really, any other team did this) he'd be ranting and raving about it. It's pretty disgusting.
This is true. And if you stuck him in NY, no doubt he'd do the opposite.
 
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